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The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins

JasperL said:
He's got about the same actual support among self identified liberals and progressives as he does with the black vote, and that's at 1% last I checked. So whatever you consider to be a "progressive" is sure as hell 1000 miles away from what progressives believe.
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Donald Trump's Strongest Supporters: A Certain Kind of Democrat. There's a reason both he and Sanders thought they could take supporters from each other ;).


But I like how you don't try to refute a single one of those points, admitting that this person you claim isn't a progressive just ran (in a GOP race no less) and rejected entitlement reform, called for trade restrictions, praised single-payer healthcare and the Obamacare mandates, called for increasing the size and scope of government, said he intended to increase tax rates on the wealthy, announced his implicit support of the transgender SJWs, sided with democrats on getting rid of due process for gun owners, suggested he was open to raising the minimum wage, indicated moral equivalency between the U.S. and Putin's Russia, threatened to abandon our allies and enable our enemies, had his daughter get onstage at the RNC to repeat tired war-on-women lies about the "gender gap", and claimed he wanted to double Hillary's proposed infrastructure spending..... all of which are pretty solid progressive things.
 
Casper said:
At least he is a Conservative. I am not a big fan of Cruz but if I had the choice between him or Hillary I would probably go with Cruz. With it being Trump in as the GOP candidate I will either vote Johnson or simply skip over the Presidential choice all together as a means of voicing my dissatisfaction with Both Major Party candidates.
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If nothing else, I can believe that Cruz really is a conservative.
 
cpwill said:
Okedoke. In that case, vote for the big government progressive who would trash the constitution and pursue a destructive foreign policy in order to say that you didn't vote for the big government progressive who would trash the constitution and pursue a destructive foreign policy.


The idea that NeverTrump not supporting Trump is what is costing him in the polls, however, is ridiculous. NeverTrump couldn't even swing the Indiana Primary, but we're supposed to be able to swing the nation-wide General? :lol:

No - what is costing Trump the election isn't NeverTrump. It's Trump himself.
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I'm not casting blame. I just want Trump to get as much support as possible to ...here it comes....DEFEAT HILLARY.
 
Socrates1 said:
Oh God !! :lamo
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No, he's not god. Just the best candidate in the lot. A tried and true small government candidate looking to reduce government interference against our rights and liberties.
 
Ikari said:
No, he's not god. Just the best candidate in the lot. A tried and true small government candidate looking to reduce government interference against our rights and liberties.
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Yep just like good old Bernie ! :lamo
 
WCH said:
I'm not casting blame. I just want Trump to get as much support as possible to ...here it comes....DEFEAT HILLARY.
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Oh. Well then in that case you are kind of screwed. You can fix a lot of things about a campaign, but you can't fix a candidate who is determined to self-destruct.


But I'm glad to hear you aren't casting blame. In that case, there is no validity to the argument that we have to vote Trump "Because Hillary". Trump is likely going to lose anyway, and so Conservatives should shift to trying to save the Senate. Which he might be costing us.
 
Casper said:
At least he is a Conservative. I am not a big fan of Cruz but if I had the choice between him or Hillary I would probably go with Cruz. With it being Trump in as the GOP candidate I will either vote Johnson or simply skip over the Presidential choice all together as a means of voicing my dissatisfaction with Both Major Party candidates.
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I'm just pushing for votes against Hillary that actually count. If Johnson or Stein, or whoever votes will swing a state toward Trump then, go for it. Being you're in TX, it really doesn't matter unless no one gets 270.
 
WCH said:
I'm just pushing for votes against Hillary that actually count. If Johnson or Stein, or whoever votes will swing a state toward Trump then, go for it. Being you're in TX, it really doesn't matter unless no one gets 270.
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At this point in time, votes for third parties will actually "count" more than votes for the GOP, as they will signal the GOP where they have to go if they want to win those voters back.
 
I don't like Hillary. And I dislike the Republican Party in general. But Trump is the first candidate in my lifetime who I DONT believe is a rational actor. Maybe he is and just has me fooled. But I am not willing to risk having a Commander-in-Chief who is not a rational actor.
 
Socrates1 said:
Yep just like good old Bernie ! :lamo
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Bernie isn't running any longer.

But for those of us interested in curbing the expansion of government, Johnson is the candidate.
 
cpwill said:
Oh. Well then in that case you are kind of screwed. You can fix a lot of things about a campaign, but you can't fix a candidate who is determined to self-destruct.


But I'm glad to hear you aren't casting blame. In that case, there is no validity to the argument that we have to vote Trump "Because Hillary". Trump is likely going to lose anyway, and so Conservatives should shift to trying to save the Senate. Which he might be costing us.
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I don't think Trump will have an affect on the down ticket races.
 
cpwill said:
Okedoke. In that case, vote for the big government progressive who would trash the constitution and pursue a destructive foreign policy in order to say that you didn't vote for the big government progressive who would trash the constitution and pursue a destructive foreign policy.


The idea that NeverTrump not supporting Trump is what is costing him in the polls, however, is ridiculous. NeverTrump couldn't even swing the Indiana Primary, but we're supposed to be able to swing the nation-wide General? :lol:

No - what is costing Trump the election isn't NeverTrump. It's Trump himself.
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All Hillary has to do is not appear actively insane.
 
Ikari said:
Bernie isn't running any longer.

But for those of us interested in curbing the expansion of government, Johnson is the candidate.
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He was bought off , hope he likes that $650,000 home Hillary gave him . :shock:
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Too bad he is not in one of the major parties...

Duvergers law.
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Yeah, if he were a D or an R he would get way more play, but he's still a viable candidate and a better choice than the rest.
 
Socrates1 said:
He was bought off , hope he likes that $650,000 home Hillary gave him . :shock:
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OK...I don't actually care about Bernie Sanders. So if all you have is some pathetic deflection, then good day sir.
 
cpwill said:
At this point in time, votes for third parties will actually "count" more than votes for the GOP, as they will signal the GOP where they have to go if they want to win those voters back.
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If amnesty and the tide of refugees continue, there won't be enough GOP voters for the next generation to win an election. Two things Hillary promised in her first 100 days.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Except he chose to run as a third party.

Duvergers law
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OK. That doesn't prevent me from liking him the most or voting for him. So....do you have a point?
 
WCH said:
If amnesty and the tide of refugees continue, there won't be enough GOP voters for the next generation to win an election. Two things Hillary promised in her first 100 days.
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Welp. It's been a good run, then. Too bad we made a suicidally bad nominating decision at a critical juncture.




This is what NeverTrump was warning about back when we were cucks. :) But hey, we're a bunch of losers, because Trump Is Winning All The Polls And Look At Those Rallies. :doh
 
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