Hillary Sells Progressives and Democrats Down the River

Risky Thicket said:

Why black people continue to line up to support a Wall Street Democrat who supports the system that has been so discriminatory to people of color is a question that many black people are asking themselves.

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Mr Person said:

There are also some memes from the right that I wouldn't like to be hearing if I was black. For example, the notion (often repeated here by various posters) that Democratic safety net programs are in fact designed to enslave or entrap black voters, thereby causing them to vote overwhelmingly Democrat and ALSO causing them to be poorer and have less jobs.

Gee, what does this necessarily imply? That there is something about inherent in black people not present in white people, that makes black people so susceptible to the possibility of government assistance that they choose not to get jobs, then vote Democrat so they don't have to. I'd certainly find the implications offensive if I was black.




Of course, the target of the meme is Democrats, not black people, so the implications about black people get ignored by those purporting the meme.

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Risky Thicket said:

That is an excellent and insightful post. Thanks. I am going to copy it and forward it to our friends.

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Mr Person said:

There are also some memes from the right that I wouldn't like to be hearing if I was black. For example, the notion (often repeated here by various posters) that Democratic safety net programs are in fact designed to enslave or entrap black voters, thereby causing them to vote overwhelmingly Democrat and ALSO causing them to be poorer and have less jobs.

Gee, what does this necessarily imply? That there is something about inherent in black people not present in white people, that makes black people so susceptible to the possibility of government assistance that they choose not to get jobs, then vote Democrat so they don't have to. I'd certainly find the implications offensive if I was black.




Of course, the target of the meme is Democrats, not black people, so the implications about black people get ignored by those purporting the meme.

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In the 1964 presidential election, the Republicans rushed to exploit what they called the “white backlash” against civil rights. Barry Goldwater's campaign distributed blatantly racist brochures and openly stoked white fears regarding civil rights legislation. While he lost in a landslide elsewhere, Goldwater was the first Republican presidential candidate since Reconstruction to win the Deep South.

What Goldwater started for the Republicans, the canny Richard Nixon sought to exploit more craftily with his “Southern strategy.” Outright racist statements were replaced with implication and innuendo, but the message was unmistakable: The Republican Party wanted the votes of white racists. This approach is called “dog whistle politics” for the sound that canines hear but is inaudible to humans. Similarly, prejudiced voters hear the racist connotations of a politician’s seemingly benign words.

Ronald Reagan followed the same strategy by launching his 1980 campaign in the small town of Philadelphia, Mississippi. It might seem odd to start a nationwide campaign in such an out-of-the-way and thinly populated locale but it was a clear “dog whistle” to racists because it was the site of the infamous “Mississippi Burning” murder of three civil rights workers who were fighting for voting rights for African-Americans.

George H.W. Bush went down the same path to the White House. His starkest attack ads against Mike Dukakis featured pictures of an African-American criminal, Willie Horton.

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Chomsky said:

I want $.25 a copy! :2razz:

But seriously - thank you for the kind compliment. It's much appreciated.

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Risky Thicket said:

We had dinner with close friends a couple of weeks ago. Both are black and both remain strong Bernie supporters. I asked during dinner about the black support for Hillary. Their response was that they continue to ask the same question. They don't understand it either other than the fact that Bill Clinton being branded by his campaign people as the first black president and all the PR that has followed the Clintons concerning their strong advocacy for black people - except most of it is pure PR bull****. That was essentially their response.

One of our friends (the wife) asked, "Of all the women connected to Bill Clinton how many are black?" :lamo

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Risky Thicket said:

It was only a matter of time when even the MSM (linked in the article) would have to report what many people already knew.

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Disclosure: Donald Trump is the father-in-law of Jared Kushner, the publisher of Observer Media.

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Helix said:

i don't think that any rational left leaning voter thinks that she's going to be a progressive champion for a multitude of reasons. first, the practical : she can't do **** without congress, and even in a wipeout win for Clinton scenario, congress won't lean left enough for sudden, serious change. the right leaning congress will block everything that she wants to do even more than they did under Obama. secondly, she'll say whatever it takes to get elected. this time around, she has been forced to shore up the base with watered down versions of progressive ideas that Sanders brought up, but i doubt that she would have done any of that without a real competitor. Clinton's main selling point is that she keeps Trump out of the oval office and away from the nuclear codes, which is pretty important. also, she'll likely appoint at least one and likely two SCOTUS justices.

the flip side : she's most likely a one termer, and she's keeping the seat warm for Paul Ryan, who actually is an effective right wing politician. the Democrats will likely shed seats during her first midterm, and then it's even more likely that there will be a Republican president in 2021, assuming that the GOP doesn't get even nuttier. i think that a solid loss will make them correct course when they pick their next candidate, unfortunately. then it will be the Democratic party's turn to rebuild.

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Helix said:

also, she'll likely appoint at least one and likely two SCOTUS justices.

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Helix said:

the flip side : she's most likely a one termer, and she's keeping the seat warm for Paul Ryan, who actually is an effective right wing politician.

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Mr Person said:

I also rather like Huntsman's ideas on some important points, perhaps most importantly the tax code.

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Risky Thicket said:

It was only a matter of time when even the MSM (linked in the article) would have to report what many people already knew. Once the presidential campaign started Hillary would give a middle finger to Progressives and Democratic Millennials and tell them to piss off as she waddled unsteadily toward Wall Street, Big Money, Big Business and the old hardcore establishment.

Why black people continue to line up to support a Wall Street Democrat who supports the system that has been so discriminatory to people of color is a question that many black people are asking themselves.

As Hillary now begins to display her true colors she apparently has made the conscious decision to ignore the real future of Democratic Party while she jumps into bed with wealthy old white men.

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Celebrity said:

This is exactly what I mean when I call Conservatives "change makers." You can only change so much of the right into the left until you either acquire all the voters, or hit a hard wall on wedge issues. When someone who is "Slightly Liberal" agrees with Huntsman, it's time to reconsider the Trump Train and get back to basics. I don't like what the GOP is doing, and I don't like what the establishment is doing.

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Mr Person said:

The only part I don't fully agree with is the prediction with regards to Ryan. Clinton probably will be a one-term President, but Ryan's future depends in large part on how he approaches Trump for the next few months and on how voters who usually vote GOP view that. (Voters who always vote GOP are irrelevant to this calculation, necessarily). He's tried to walk the line by objecting to some of the things Trump says, but he still generally supports him. If Trump goes down in flames (as I truly hope he does), then Ryan's legacy may be called into question.

I think the GOP's biggest chances of regaining power is to drop this tactic of calling anyone near the center a "RINO" and embrace the type of Republicanism from a few decades ago. I don't agree with all of it, but it's generally more reasonable than the last several years. If they run Huntsman or someone like them, they will conquer the center and center-left, leaving the far right and far left flailing impotently.

I also rather like Huntsman's ideas on some important points, perhaps most importantly the tax code.

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