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Trump on Clinton: I don't think she's all there

Captain America said:
One has to wonder how successful our Silver-Spooned Siberian Candidate would have actually been if he wasn't such a knob.

I bet a monkey, given the same opportunities Trump was born with, could do just as good of a job as Trump did with his trust fund fortune.
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I read somewhere (can't find it right now) that if Trump had invested his money in the Fortune 500 instead of what he's done with it he'd have twice as much as he has now.
 
I've asked to have this thread moved out of this section. I'd ask others who agree with me to join in that effort.
 
MickeyW said:
I tend to agree with you on him shooting off his mouth, being tactless at times and being thinned skin. But, he runs all these companies, many of them very successfully. So irresponsible? Nawwww. The overriding factors for me are his stance on Immigration reform, Border Security and dealing with ISIS and Iran.

I think obozo and Kerry screwed the pooch on the Iran deal.
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I believe you are making the same error as many on the political right, in assuming that running a business is the same as running a nation. It is not.

There is a difference between leadership and diplomacy, and management and profit maximization. Implementing policy requires managers, but first intelligent policy must be formulated, and that is the job of true leadership, not business managers. This requires intellect, critical thinking skills, a mature and well rounded personality, a broad based education, and the ability and willingness to assemble and listen to expert advice. How many of the above attributes can you honestly assign to Donald Trump?

Political and sociological issues often have no solution per se, or at least do not have any clear cut choice. It is at that point that we need intelligent input, not angry narcissists screaming, your fired. ISIS cannot be defeated by simply carpet bombing some given area. The problem of ISIS is complex, and demands the cooperation of numerous governments and agencies. Do you think such will be more likely to pitch in with an administration urging extremist, nonsensical, unworkable notions? Some knee-jerk solutions sound good will the Adrenalin is up, but then just produce even more problems in the long run, a situation the US has seen to it's sorrow over and over in the last few decades.
 
Ikari said:
OK...so Trump is on level with Obama. Though given how much y'all attack Obama, I don't know why you would endorse a candidate like him.
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I never said that......Trump knows a lot more about how to run a program and knows about world affairs, better than obozo. No way is obozo on the same level as Trump.
You seem to ignore the fact that obozo was very inexperienced in several areas, couldn't began to keep his campaign promises once he got clued in and has not done America any favors......he's a racist divider, and that's not what he claimed to be.

Mr Person said:
He'd be homeless if it wasn't for robust bankruptcy protection.
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So would thousands of other entrepreneurs, that's why bankruptcy protection was instituted.

Captain America said:
If you don't recognize how bat**** crazy Trump is that's on you.

Most everybody else has no trouble recognizing his mental deficiencies. But you? You don't seem to be able to.

Again, that's on you.

Not my circus, not my monkey's.
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Bat **** crazy? Not even close. He just doesn't fit your preconceived, ****ed up, liberal ideas.

Captain America said:
One has to wonder how successful our Silver-Spooned Siberian Candidate would have actually been if he wasn't such a knob.

I bet a monkey, given the same opportunities Trump was born with, could do just as good of a job as Trump did with his trust fund fortune.
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Well, you left that door wide open for comment....but I'm not taking the bait..... up here.

Anyway, it's pure speculation on your part....just another opinion and you know what that's worth.

azgreg said:
I read somewhere (can't find it right now) that if Trump had invested his money in the Fortune 500 instead of what he's done with it he'd have twice as much as he has now.
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Speculation.

mmi said:
I've asked to have this thread moved out of this section. I'd ask others who agree with me to join in that effort.
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Why, can't handle it?

Ganesh said:
I believe you are making the same error as many on the political right, in assuming that running a business is the same as running a nation. It is not.

There is a difference between leadership and diplomacy, and management and profit maximization. Implementing policy requires managers, but first intelligent policy must be formulated, and that is the job of true leadership, not business managers. This requires intellect, critical thinking skills, a mature and well rounded personality, a broad based education, and the ability and willingness to assemble and listen to expert advice. How many of the above attributes can you honestly assign to Donald Trump?

Political and sociological issues often have no solution per se, or at least do not have any clear cut choice. It is at that point that we need intelligent input, not angry narcissists screaming, your fired. ISIS cannot be defeated by simply carpet bombing some given area. The problem of ISIS is complex, and demands the cooperation of numerous governments and agencies. Do you think such will be more likely to pitch in with an administration urging extremist, nonsensical, unworkable notions? Some knee-jerk solutions sound good will the Adrenalin is up, but then just produce even more problems in the long run, a situation the US has seen to it's sorrow over and over in the last few decades.
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Here is what I believe:

1. The Federal govt. is way too big.....way, way, way too big.

2. The Fed. Govt. should be run like a business.

3. Diplomacy only works with reasonable or semi-reasonable people. ISIS is neither.

Yes Trump is bombastic at times, but I think part of that is to garner media attention. I do not think that he is as much of a loose cannon as some seem to think.
Highlighted....some fit Trump some don't. Then again some fit Hillary, some don't. Her disrespect of underlings and the Secret Service is well known. Overall, I will pick Trump over Hillary any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

She is nothing short of contemptible.
 
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MickeyW said:
I disagree. You are listening to liberal talking points on Trump. Many people like him as an employer and think he makes savvy deals.

I'll admit that obama is the king of tact and diplomacy.....except .........he is Full of ****!


And hillary? She's just full of **** and a sick women.


I brought Hillary's medical problems up, months ago, many others have noticed as well and Trump is far from alone on this view.
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You're like a fan of professional wrestling, you're buying into the fantasy of who your guy is portraying themselves to be. It's all an act. at the end of the day Trump and Clinton are doing shots and laughing at you.
 
MickeyW said:
Why, can't handle it?
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I dunno. I haven't read any of the it.

Youll notice it's no longer in Gubmint Spending and Debt, where it didn't belong. Why did you post it there?
 
MickeyW said:
Here is what I believe:

1. The Federal govt. is way too big.....way, way, way too big.

2. The Fed. Govt. should be run like a business.

3. Diplomacy only works with reasonable or semi-reasonable people. ISIS is neither.

Yes Trump is bombastic at times, but I think part of that is to garner media attention. I do not think that he is as much of a loose cannon as some seem to think.
Highlighted....some fit Trump some don't. Then again some fit Hillary, some don't. Her disrespect of underlings and the Secret Service is well known. Overall, I will pick Trump over Hillary any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

She is nothing short of contemptible.
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Telling a referee at a football game that he should behave more like a quarterback is nonsensical. So too is suggesting government be run like a business. Government is the referee in the economy, not a profit desiring entity. The goal of business is to make money, which is fine in some regards, but it also puts business inherently at odds with other aspects of society, including labour, the environment, other competing business organizations, and others. This is not necessarily bad, but it does require balance, the sort of balance given by regulation and the rule of law. And those latter are not going to come from Wal Mart or Exxon, they are going to come from your "big" federal government. Government's role is to provide for general well being, and this often means spending on non-profit making organizations that are never the less essential to a modern civilized society. It means deficit spending at economic downturns, even though this may not be "business-like". It means taking a longer time frame than business when considering the environment or long term trends in demographics or the labour market. In fact, public endeavor is often the opposite of business endeavor, a necessary counterweight.
 
cpwill said:
Donald Trump is running on the fact that Hillary Clinton is old, kinda crazy, cranky, and may not be all there.




Do you ever get the feeling that America is in the last season, and the writers have decided to turn it all into a gag reel?
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Yes, so Hillary in the last scene reaches down into Trumps pants and yells orgasimically, I feel it, I feel it, I feel the Johnson... and cpwill lived happily ever after...:lamo:lamo:lamo
 
Ganesh said:
Telling a referee at a football game that he should behave more like a quarterback is nonsensical. So too is suggesting government be run like a business. Government is the referee in the economy, not a profit desiring entity. The goal of business is to make money, which is fine in some regards, but it also puts business inherently at odds with other aspects of society, including labour, the environment, other competing business organizations, and others. This is not necessarily bad, but it does require balance, the sort of balance given by regulation and the rule of law. And those latter are not going to come from Wal Mart or Exxon, they are going to come from your "big" federal government. Government's role is to provide for general well being, and this often means spending on non-profit making organizations that are never the less essential to a modern civilized society. It means deficit spending at economic downturns, even though this may not be "business-like". It means taking a longer time frame than business when considering the environment or long term trends in demographics or the labour market. In fact, public endeavor is often the opposite of business endeavor, a necessary counterweight.
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I think you are taking the analogy too far... and no, it doesn't mean all that, that is almost exactly what it does not mean.
 
I'm not a medical person, so I have no real opinion about her health condition but I have to say that I'm worried for her when I see something like this:


 
Captain America said:
If you don't recognize how bat**** crazy Trump is that's on you.

Most everybody else has no trouble recognizing his mental deficiencies. But you? You don't seem to be able to.

Again, that's on you.

Not my circus, not my monkey's.
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Just a plain wrong assessment. Nobody is saying he isn't different, we are all strange in our own ways. Look at you with your often final not your circus not your monkeys... I mean, who truly sane says that over and over? And yet you are sane, correct?

Trump is crazy like a fox. He wins, and people like an upbeat winner. He is not my regular cup of tea, but he is closer to right on immigration and our borders, right on trade imbalances and treaties, he is right on law and order, he is damned right on political correctness run amok, he is right that Obama is too weak and Hillary incompetent at best, he is right about strengthening our military, he is right about 14th amendment, hell, he is right or closer to right about a lot of things.

Is he the optimal or ideal candidate? Besides ol Georgie Washington, we probably have never had that fiction.
 
Ikari said:
I'm not listening to liberal talking points, I'm listening to Donald Trump. The man is just a crazy, rich bastard who thinks he can do no wrong. And when anyone disagrees, he takes it as personal attack, and launches into a vial retort.

President is Head of State. You cannot have one there who is unable to control his mouth. As bad as Hillary would be, Trump is right there on the same level. He's completely irresponsible, incredible sophomoric, tactless, and utterly incapable of diplomacy. He is as unfit for command as could be.
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Yep, straight liberal talking points.

Oh, and its vile, not vial... well, unless you are saying he is making small and contained retorts, ah ha ha ha ha
 
HenryChinaski said:
You're like a fan of professional wrestling, you're buying into the fantasy of who your guy is portraying themselves to be. It's all an act. at the end of the day Trump and Clinton are doing shots and laughing at you.
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Don't consider me so gullible.......there is only one choice to make at the voting both.....or I don't vote.

Doesn't really matter what they say or how many shots they have....my mind was made up months ago on who not to vote for.
 
mmi said:
I dunno. I haven't read any of the it.

Youll notice it's no longer in Gubmint Spending and Debt, where it didn't belong. Why did you post it there?
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Inadvertently clicked on the wrong section I guess. I intended it to be where it is now.

Sometimes my screen bounces on me as I'm clicking and I don't always catch it.
 
Ganesh said:
Telling a referee at a football game that he should behave more like a quarterback is nonsensical. So too is suggesting government be run like a business. Government is the referee in the economy, not a profit desiring entity. The goal of business is to make money, which is fine in some regards, but it also puts business inherently at odds with other aspects of society, including labour, the environment, other competing business organizations, and others. This is not necessarily bad, but it does require balance, the sort of balance given by regulation and the rule of law. And those latter are not going to come from Wal Mart or Exxon, they are going to come from your "big" federal government. Government's role is to provide for general well being, and this often means spending on non-profit making organizations that are never the less essential to a modern civilized society. It means deficit spending at economic downturns, even though this may not be "business-like". It means taking a longer time frame than business when considering the environment or long term trends in demographics or the labour market. In fact, public endeavor is often the opposite of business endeavor, a necessary counterweight.
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I've worked for Federal, County and City governments. My wife worked for State govt. They all have one thing in common....Massive Waste! So when I say run it like a business, that means do away with the waste and trim it down plenty! You may want your tax dollars squandered...I don't ...........and I don't buy into half the crap you posted!

Gaugingcatenate said:
Yes, so Hillary in the last scene reaches down into Trumps pants and yells orgasimically, I feel it, I feel it, I feel the Johnson... and cpwill lived happily ever after...:lamo:lamo:lamo
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Spot On!

Gaugingcatenate said:
I think you are taking the analogy too far... and no, it doesn't mean all that, that is almost exactly what it does not mean.
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Exactly!!!

Mycroft said:
I'm not a medical person, so I have no real opinion about her health condition but I have to say that I'm worried for her when I see something like this:


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Worried? I look at it as Karma, for all the evil she has perpetrated!

Gaugingcatenate said:
Just a plain wrong assessment. Nobody is saying he isn't different, we are all strange in our own ways. Look at you with your often final not your circus not your monkeys... I mean, who truly sane says that over and over? And yet you are sane, correct?

Trump is crazy like a fox. He wins, and people like an upbeat winner. He is not my regular cup of tea, but he is closer to right on immigration and our borders, right on trade imbalances and treaties, he is right on law and order, he is damned right on political correctness run amok, he is right that Obama is too weak and Hillary incompetent at best, he is right about strengthening our military, he is right about 14th amendment, hell, he is right or closer to right about a lot of things.

Is he the optimal or ideal candidate? Besides ol Georgie Washington, we probably have never had that fiction.
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Stellar Post. I'm absolutely in full agreement with you. :applaud
 
MickeyW said:
Inadvertently clicked on the wrong section
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I understand, and fwiw I wasn't really complaining. I've antagonised enough participants in this community already. As a terrible procrastinator on housework, I suppose I just wanted, for a vicarious sense of accomplishment, to see some staffer rearrange the bookshelf.
 
MickeyW said:
I never said that......Trump knows a lot more about how to run a program and knows about world affairs, better than obozo. No way is obozo on the same level as Trump.
You seem to ignore the fact that obozo was very inexperienced in several areas, couldn't began to keep his campaign promises once he got clued in and has not done America any favors......he's a racist divider, and that's not what he claimed to be.
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For as "inexperienced" as Obama was when he ran (he had held elected position before and was a IL State Senator and then US Senator), Trump is even more so. Trump knows more about Trump than anyone else, but that's about it.

Government and business are two very different entities and are run very differently by design. Trump starting off rich and staying rich doesn't mean that he has any qualifications or abilities to be President....he doesn't.
 
Ikari said:
For as "inexperienced" as Obama was when he ran (he had held elected position before and was a IL State Senator and then US Senator), Trump is even more so. Trump knows more about Trump than anyone else, but that's about it.

Government and business are two very different entities and are run very differently by design. Trump starting off rich and staying rich doesn't mean that he has any qualifications or abilities to be President....he doesn't.
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The only requirement to be President is to be a US citizen and be 35 years old. Trump doesn't need to know how to run anything just delegate and make decisions based on the experts. He has tons of experience in doing that. I would rather have a guy with no experience than a woman that is entrenched in Washington, in the pockets of the insiders and has tons of experience cramming her corruption and lies through the red tape. Her Nanny State, global liberalism agenda is Anti-American.
 
Let's see. The man who says all of the young women on The Apprentice flirted with him is calling Hillary Clinton crazy. The man who, when asked about the people who lost a billion dollars on his bankruptcies responded with, "I made a lot of money in Atlantic City. I'm proud of that," is calling Hillary Clinton crazy. A grown man on television talking about how big his hands are is calling Hillary Clinton crazy. The man who, when in a dispute with his brother, cancelled his brother's family's health insurance when he knew they had a newborn child with serious health problems is calling Hillary Clinton crazy. The man who made the Trump University promotional video is calling Hillary Clinton crazy.

As Democrats go, Donald Trump is as bad as Hillary Clinton. It's a shame the Republicans didn't run a Republican for president.
 
blaxshep said:
The only requirement to be President is to be a US citizen and be 35 years old. Trump doesn't need to know how to run anything just delegate and make decisions based on the experts. He has tons of experience in doing that. I would rather have a guy with no experience than a woman that is entrenched in Washington, in the pockets of the insiders and has tons of experience cramming her corruption and lies through the red tape. Her Nanny State, global liberalism agenda is Anti-American.
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The President is the Head of State. He represents us in the international arena. I'm tired of the "Donald Trump doesn't need to know how to do anything or be competent at anything, he just needs to know how to find the people who are and have them do all the work while not thinking or doing anything because as we already admitted, he doesn't know how to do anything regarding the Presidency nor is he competent along those lines" excuse. It's a crap excuse for a crap candidate when one has absolutely nothing left in the tank to counter any argument of experience or competency.

The President does need to delegate, but his job isn't ONLY delegating. He has many responsibilities and decisions that the President along can make and do. It's not some empty suit sitting at a desk, there are real responsibilities and duties to perform and the President must be able to take responsibility and perform those duties themselves. So enough of the "He sucks, we know he sucks...but hey, he just needs to find folk who don't suck and hire them." This is bull**** for the following reasons.

1) The President has real duties and responsibilities that cannot be delegated away. They must be able to perform these adequately
2) Trump cannot stand to be told "no". Even if he could delegate away ALL his responsibilities (he cannot), this excuse relies on him finding those who are competent enough to do the job. But one who can do the job will have to tell a know-nothing President "no" on occasion because the President doesn't know anything. Trump cannot stand to hear no, he will surround himself by yes men. Meaning, even more so, he has to know what the fudge he is doing, and by your own admission he doesn't.
3) Head of State! The President is Head of State. He must meet with other dignitaries and diplomats, he must engage in international politics, he must represent America on the global scale. And yet Trump cannot keep his mouth shut. As soon as someone says "no" to him, he goes on the offensive, unleashing a torrent of juvenile insults. Trump has no tact, Trump has no filter on his mouth, Trump has no ability of diplomacy or any other skill required of Head of State.
4) Commander in Chief. The President is Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. Again he can "delegate" that away...but not really. He has to be able to lead the military, use it wisely, and not in reactions of petty slights. There is no indication that Trump can do so.
5) Executive Orders. Recently these have grown in popularity and use, and now the President has all sorts of powers to use these as forms of legislation. This isn't delegated away. And egomaniac like Trump with power of President and Executive Order cannot be trusted to just use it for his own personal gain and interests.

There are many more reasons why the President cannot just delegate away all their responsibilities. So you need to take the "We know Trump is incompetent, but it doesn't matter, he just needs to delegate" argument and throw it away because it is completely and utterly garbage!
 
Ikari said:
The President is the Head of State. He represents us in the international arena. I'm tired of the "Donald Trump doesn't need to know how to do anything or be competent at anything, he just needs to know how to find the people who are and have them do all the work while not thinking or doing anything because as we already admitted, he doesn't know how to do anything regarding the Presidency nor is he competent along those lines" excuse. It's a crap excuse for a crap candidate when one has absolutely nothing left in the tank to counter any argument of experience or competency.

The President does need to delegate, but his job isn't ONLY delegating. He has many responsibilities and decisions that the President along can make and do. It's not some empty suit sitting at a desk, there are real responsibilities and duties to perform and the President must be able to take responsibility and perform those duties themselves. So enough of the "He sucks, we know he sucks...but hey, he just needs to find folk who don't suck and hire them." This is bull**** for the following reasons.

1) The President has real duties and responsibilities that cannot be delegated away. They must be able to perform these adequately
2) Trump cannot stand to be told "no". Even if he could delegate away ALL his responsibilities (he cannot), this excuse relies on him finding those who are competent enough to do the job. But one who can do the job will have to tell a know-nothing President "no" on occasion because the President doesn't know anything. Trump cannot stand to hear no, he will surround himself by yes men. Meaning, even more so, he has to know what the fudge he is doing, and by your own admission he doesn't.
3) Head of State! The President is Head of State. He must meet with other dignitaries and diplomats, he must engage in international politics, he must represent America on the global scale. And yet Trump cannot keep his mouth shut. As soon as someone says "no" to him, he goes on the offensive, unleashing a torrent of juvenile insults. Trump has no tact, Trump has no filter on his mouth, Trump has no ability of diplomacy or any other skill required of Head of State.
4) Commander in Chief. The President is Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. Again he can "delegate" that away...but not really. He has to be able to lead the military, use it wisely, and not in reactions of petty slights. There is no indication that Trump can do so.
5) Executive Orders. Recently these have grown in popularity and use, and now the President has all sorts of powers to use these as forms of legislation. This isn't delegated away. And egomaniac like Trump with power of President and Executive Order cannot be trusted to just use it for his own personal gain and interests.

There are many more reasons why the President cannot just delegate away all their responsibilities. So you need to take the "We know Trump is incompetent, but it doesn't matter, he just needs to delegate" argument and throw it away because it is completely and utterly garbage!
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A ill-tempered immature inexperienced narcissistic Trump still beats a Evil corrupt power mad lying witch with an Anti-American liberal globalist agenda.

Beside, I like chaos, I'd love to see Trump tell the leaders of the Islamic Middle East to go **** themselves on national TV. :moon:
 
blaxshep said:
A ill-tempered immature inexperienced narcissistic Trump still beats a Evil corrupt power mad lying witch with an Anti-American liberal globalist agenda.

Beside, I like chaos, I'd love to see Trump tell the leaders of the Islamic Middle East to go **** themselves on national TV. :moon:
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And Gary Johnson beats them both.

I wouldn't love to see trump tell the leaders of the Islamic Middle East to go **** themselves because global terrorism is a problem and that would only make matters WORSE. And that's the rub. For as bad as Hillary will be, Trump will be WORSE. And that's how ****ty, how incompetent, how inexperienced, and how egomaniacal Trump really is. Compared to Hillary...he's worse.
 
mmi said:
I understand, and fwiw I wasn't really complaining. I've antagonised enough participants in this community already. As a terrible procrastinator on housework, I suppose I just wanted, for a vicarious sense of accomplishment, to see some staffer rearrange the bookshelf.
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Haaaaaaaaa! Fair enough.

Ikari said:
For as "inexperienced" as Obama was when he ran (he had held elected position before and was a IL State Senator and then US Senator), Trump is even more so. Trump knows more about Trump than anyone else, but that's about it.

Government and business are two very different entities and are run very differently by design. Trump starting off rich and staying rich doesn't mean that he has any qualifications or abilities to be President....he doesn't.
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obama was a short termer and as I recall never even authored one bill while in the Senate. And I disagree with running the Govt. unlike a business. All government is full of massive waste, the bigger it is, the more waste. I pay plenty out in taxes each year and it is being squandered by the State and the Feds. Trump just proposed a revised tax plan yesterday....he's on the right track.
All the above does not matter anyway, because I will never vote for a Clinton!
 
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