Is there anyone here that believes Obama is telling the truth about the 400 [W:118]

Thoreau72 said:

Are you suggesting conspiracy was involved? That the public was not told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

I'm no Obama fan, but I'm all for peaceful and honest relations between the US and Iran. I see nothing wrong with this transaction. Certainly unusual with the large currency transaction, but diplomacy works in strange ways.

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Thorgasm said:

Obama is hiding under your bed.

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Mycroft said:

I didn't say they were more trustworthy than Obama. I simply said that, unlike Obama, they will sometimes tell the truth.

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ecofarm said:

It's amazing what sources people will believe when it confirms their bias. I saw on Fox, yesterday or the day before, when discussing Iran's claim that it was ransom: "well, the Iranian regime has been known to tell the truth no matter what others think about it". I almost fell out of my chair laughing. Fox was actually suggesting that the tyrannical and terrorist Iranian regime was more trustworthy than the president of the US.

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trouble13 said:

Honestly I would put them both on a par in terms of honesty.

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Mycroft said:

When it is in the Iranian's interests to tell the truth, they have been know to do so. When it is in their interests to lie, they have been known to do so.

When it's in Obama's interests to tell the truth, he lies. When it's in his interests to lie, he lies.

Therein lies the difference.

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EvaPeron said:

Just wondering...did he get a receipt? He's so worried about our hostages and saving the US money, he didn't discuss the hostages years before when making the nuclear deal and did he get a receipt? He's an attorney and no attorney in their right mind would transfer cash for the end of a legal battle without getting a receipt. Be smart. Is he telling the truth then demand a receipt!

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katzgar said:

you arent american are you

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Thoreau72 said:

It has now been made public. It is a matter of historical record. It seems both parties are happy and not complaining.

WTF would a paper receipt prove or mean?

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Mycroft said:

The ends justify the means, right?

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Moot said:

Well, the way the right wing are whining...it sounded like the plane landed yesterday.


But I have a question. Since there were five hostages....and one was a Washington Post journalist...why isn't he confirming Pastor Abedini's story that the plane was held on the tarmac until another plane had landed?


Here's a more likely story for why the plane was delayed on the tarmac....

Detention of Jason Rezaian’s Family Nearly Scuttled Iran Prisoner Swap


"...Three of the freed Americans were to leave Iran on a plane operated by the Swiss, who had helped broker the prisoner talks and who represent American interests in Tehran, where there is no United States embassy. A fourth had already left on a commercial flight, and a fifth, who lived in Tehran, had chosen to stay.

But as Mr. Rezaian and the other two prisoners, Amir Hekmati and Saeed Abedini, were preparing to leave, no one could find Mr. Rezaian’s wife, Yeganeh Salehi, or his mother, Mary. Ms. Salehi, an Iranian journalist, had been arrested with Mr. Rezaian in July 2014 before being released, and his mother had gone to Iran to be closer to her imprisoned son.

“They had disappeared,” said an American official, who along with others described the events on the condition of anonymity. “Nobody could find them, and they were not answering phones. The Iranians then said there were legal issues that would prevent either from leaving the country.”

Several hours later, around 2 a.m. in Geneva, Iranian officials summoned Mr. McGurk to their hotel room and said the deal had to be consummated without Mr. Rezaian’s wife and mother. Mr. McGurk said that if they did not show up at the plane waiting on the tarmac promptly, there would be no deal.

“We started to conclude that Mary and Yegi were being held to destroy the deal,” the American official said.

It was not until 4 a.m. in Geneva, or 6:30 a.m. in Tehran, that the Americans finally reached Ms. Rezaian. She and Ms. Salehi were by then back at their hotel. The Americans contacted the Swiss and asked them to pick up the women and take them to the airport.

But then once they arrived, Mr. Rezaian’s family was separated from the Swiss. It was not until two hours later that the Swiss ambassador, who was the guarantor for the deal, called the Americans in Geneva.

“I see now all five, including Yegi and Mary, approaching our plane,” he told them.

The Swiss plane then took off for Geneva with the three freed prisoners and Mr. Rezaian’s family..."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/19/w...nearly-torpedoed-iran-prisoner-swap.html?_r=0​

I think that is probably closer to the truth than the lies being told by Brietbart.

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Mycroft said:

You aren't very good with English, are you?

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katzgar said:

I didnt think so....a russian maybe?

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Thoreau72 said:

Not for me, no.

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Mycroft said:

I think I may have misunderstood you and I apologize for it.

It appeared to me you were saying something to the effect that it's done and we shouldn't worry about how it was done.

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Thoreau72 said:

No apology necessary, but thanks.

Certainly "means and ends" is a valid consideration for actions planned in the future.

For judging actions already completed, we have the luxury of hindsight.

In that this action has already been completed we can judge it from what we know. From what we know so far about this event, I don't see any criminal actions, no victims. It was just another deal made between governments by way of negotiations.

As I've said, I am no Obama fan, but I don't see what harm was done by this deal. The Iranians get their money back, and things move on.

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ocean515 said:

It sounded like the plane landed yesterday? What does that have to do with claiming the total amount Obama negotiated was only $400 million?

Having already demonstrated you don't have a clue, why should I consider what you call, a "more likely story"?

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NoLeftNoRight said:

He lied. Obama is probably the most deceptive President in US history....and sorry racists....has nothing to do with his race....but rather his true agenda.

Much of what Obama has said so far seems to have been false as evidence leaks out.
Most of what is perceived as true seems to be because that is what certain people want to see, or have an agenda, while the facts bear out a starkly different reality.
A common theme with regards to Obama has been that what ever he says, the opposite is more likely true. Truly not good from government.

This is evidenced perfectly by the following that he said...."If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor". This turned out to be false as did much of his narratives.
In Syria, he painted an imaginary red line and warned of consequences if crossed. The line was crossed repeatedly, and Russia and the world took notice. Again, false as well as harmful to US interests.
There are literally hundreds upon hundreds of such examples. If anything, Obama is a chronic deceiver.

Here's a link to a list of 4 pages of erroneous information presented as truth by Obama.
All False statements involving Barack Obama | PolitiFact

A good presumption would be that down the road after his administration has long been removed, considerable shocking evidence will come to light.
(Although in true Obama/Dimocrat form, the vast majority will have been methodically destroyed.....most will come from those who witnessed it first hand but were silenced at the time).

Too bad our first black President couldn't have been a good one. Tragic that he was bent on harming America.....but again, it may be largely at the whim of his wealthy handlers he answers to.

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Mycroft said:

If the hostage release was contingent upon the payment of the money...and there is more than coincidental indications that was the case...then there is, indeed, possible harm.

It is now clear that the US will pay large sums to recover hostages and Iran has more hostages. How much will we pay next time? Perhaps the Iranians will demand something else, like total withdrawal from the ME. If the Obama administration will cave once, how far will they cave the next time.

There's a reason we have a policy of never paying ransom. It is almost certain that Obama tossed that policy in the toilet.

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Moot said:

"...Only negotiated $400 million"? Looks like you're the one that doesn't have a clue. lol

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Mycroft said:

You still don't make sense, but at least you got the question mark in there.

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Mycroft said:

If the hostage release was contingent upon the payment of the money...and there is more than coincidental indications that was the case...then there is, indeed, possible harm.

It is now clear that the US will pay large sums to recover hostages and Iran has more hostages. How much will we pay next time? Perhaps the Iranians will demand something else, like total withdrawal from the ME. If the Obama administration will cave once, how far will they cave the next time.

There's a reason we have a policy of never paying ransom. It is almost certain that Obama tossed that policy in the toilet.

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Thorgasm said:

If Obama walked on water you would complain that he didn't know how to swim.

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Thorgasm said:

You are propagating a narrative driven by propaganda. You refuse to see the actual facts. The confirmation bias is strong with you.

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