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Hillary Wants To Raise Taxes

So...who here thinks this stuff is a good idea? Who thinks it's a bad idea?

Of course, it would be necessary to look at the taxes' multupliers to get a better understanding and look at the uses the money is put to in order to understand the impact of her measures. In is hard to see how this proposal can help the country, though.
 
Do you even understand how ridiculous you sound? Obviously Trump is not in the 99% no matter how you slice the bread. Then you stand ready to thump him on his tax returns because if they show he is not rich then you accuse him of being unsuccessful and if they show he is rich then you thump him for that.

No I stand ready to thump him based on I have followed him since the days he was married to his first wife. His tax returns would just expose his lies even more and maybe, just maybe, the media and his supporters would wake up and see the man for who he is.. a con man... a gangster.

So far we have evidence of 5000+ law suits... going on at the moment, either against him or by him. Many of those are for late or no payment for services by Trump.

We also know that he has gone bankrupt 4 times. Now the details are of course still secret, but we know from leaks and people coming out... that the bankruptcies were not normal per say. From several sources we know that Trump had zero clue on what was going on and demanded things that were unrealistic. We also know that he was bailed out twice by the Arabs!.. something that should piss off the Republican core no?

We also know he is involved in a massive con job with his University. There is no doubt what that was.. and I suspect that the only reason that he has not been charged is because he is running for President or that the legal system is so freaking slow.

Time after time we see him go crazy.. threatening lawsuits, threatening to beat up people or hoping that people are harmed. Hardly presidential is it now? Hardly human either. It is the typical trait of a bully.

We have seen his racist side (My black friend comment among others), his anti-Semitic side (Star of David with money), his xenophobic side (Saying all Mexicans are rapists) and his treasonous side (Telling Russia to hack Hilary, praising Saddam and Putin).

The man is bad to the core and has been for the last 20+ years. Trump is a brand, nothing more.. and it is a dying brand at that because of this presidential run.
 
No I stand ready to thump him based on I have followed him since the days he was married to his first wife. His tax returns would just expose his lies even more and maybe, just maybe, the media and his supporters would wake up and see the man for who he is.. a con man... a gangster.

So far we have evidence of 5000+ law suits... going on at the moment, either against him or by him. Many of those are for late or no payment for services by Trump.

We also know that he has gone bankrupt 4 times. Now the details are of course still secret, but we know from leaks and people coming out... that the bankruptcies were not normal per say. From several sources we know that Trump had zero clue on what was going on and demanded things that were unrealistic. We also know that he was bailed out twice by the Arabs!.. something that should piss off the Republican core no?

We also know he is involved in a massive con job with his University. There is no doubt what that was.. and I suspect that the only reason that he has not been charged is because he is running for President or that the legal system is so freaking slow.

Time after time we see him go crazy.. threatening lawsuits, threatening to beat up people or hoping that people are harmed. Hardly presidential is it now? Hardly human either. It is the typical trait of a bully.

We have seen his racist side (My black friend comment among others), his anti-Semitic side (Star of David with money), his xenophobic side (Saying all Mexicans are rapists) and his treasonous side (Telling Russia to hack Hilary, praising Saddam and Putin).

The man is bad to the core and has been for the last 20+ years. Trump is a brand, nothing more.. and it is a dying brand at that because of this presidential run.

Some of his bankruptcies had to do with casinos in Atlantic City, of which he was not alone. I can see by the tone of your post that you are very scared that he could actually win the election. Otherwise you would just laugh and watch Hillary trounce him in November. There would be no need to go after him as you do. Maybe you are afraid that he is more of an average Joe than Hillary because he, like many average Joes, has filed for bankruptcy, unlike Hillary who takes millions of dollars from Wall Street and is an investing genius.
 
I think its a great idea to use taxation to pay for government spending. We can argue over the best taxation policy to raise that revenue, but the need to fund government provided goods and services is hardly debatable.
You misspelled "government overspending".
 
Some of his bankruptcies had to do with casinos in Atlantic City, of which he was not alone. I can see by the tone of your post that you are very scared that he could actually win the election. Otherwise you would just laugh and watch Hillary trounce him in November. There would be no need to go after him as you do. Maybe you are afraid that he is more of an average Joe than Hillary because he, like many average Joes, has filed for bankruptcy, unlike Hillary who takes millions of dollars from Wall Street and is an investing genius.

I saw a segment on FNC where they discussed DJT's lawsuits that were filed against him. The panel broke it all down and what they found was the claims mentioned above were essentially distorted and in most cases false.

One does not become as successful in business as DJT is by not paying their bills. It simply isn't the way to conduct business. The left is running scared. Grasping at anything even if it false. As for Crooked Hillary's tax plan, the most affected by tax increases is the middle class. A Crooked Hillary is not what this country needs. She's proven to be as corrupt as hell.
 
Some of his bankruptcies had to do with casinos in Atlantic City, of which he was not alone. I can see by the tone of your post that you are very scared that he could actually win the election. Otherwise you would just laugh and watch Hillary trounce him in November. There would be no need to go after him as you do. Maybe you are afraid that he is more of an average Joe than Hillary because he, like many average Joes, has filed for bankruptcy, unlike Hillary who takes millions of dollars from Wall Street and is an investing genius.

The average Joe does not get to go bankrupt 4 times and still have money in the bank.... let alone get loans. And yes most of his bankruptcies were with his casinos, but if you investigate the situations you quickly understand that he miss-managed the at least 2 of the situations so badly, that you have to wonder how on earth he still is allowed to do business.
 
The average Joe does not get to go bankrupt 4 times and still have money in the bank.... let alone get loans. And yes most of his bankruptcies were with his casinos, but if you investigate the situations you quickly understand that he miss-managed the at least 2 of the situations so badly, that you have to wonder how on earth he still is allowed to do business.

Is it your contention that Trump would do a worse job in spending money than the current Congress?
 
If he is so bad at business then how come he is worth 10 billion dollars?

Because he is lying about it, what else? Trump won't release his tax returns because it will show what a liar he is.
 
When liberals talk about "fairness" protect your wallet and keep your kids away from school buses.
 
Because he is lying about it, what else? Trump won't release his tax returns because it will show what a liar he is.

Hillary supporters shouldn't condemn liars.
 
Because he is lying about it, what else? Trump won't release his tax returns because it will show what a liar he is.

Hopefully you are joking with this response. Tax returns show INCOME NOT WEALTH. There clearly are reasons he doesn't want to show his return. Perhaps his low effective rate or if he has given little to charity compared to his stated wealth. Debate is much more effective when there is at least a thread of understanding the topic revealed.
 
So...who here thinks this stuff is a good idea? Who thinks it's a bad idea?

Obviously the devil is in the details, but on the surface none of these proposals seems horrendous.

Income Tax Increase - I'm all for capping itemized deductions, personally I'd go the Full Monty and just set a standard deduction and be done with it.

The business tax increase, way too vague.

"Fairness" Tax Increase - I hate the Orwellian name, but as a whole doesn't seem too bad.

Capital Gains Tax Increase - Hell yeah bring it on.

Tax on Stock Trading - Not sure what real purpose of such a tax is but I neither think it will raise a pile of money, nor do I really think it will "burden" the markets much.

Exit Tax - Absolutely no friggen idea what this would really do and whether it would be good or bad, can envision all kinds of unintended consequences with this one.
 
Is it your contention that Trump would do a worse job in spending money than the current Congress?

No, he would add to the problem even more. Everyone knows the problem is Congress and especially the GOP, but having a crazy man in the White House pushing a wall that would easily cost 20+ billion to build and billions to maintain, or making the US undesirable to international investors... that is if he does not kill us all in a crazy rage by pressing the nuclear button..
 
My opinion on the Clinton Plan.

Income Tax Increase - $350 Billion: Clinton has proposed a $350 billion income tax hike in the form of a 28 percent cap on itemized deductions.

Does not go far enough. There are far too many deductions and it makes it complicated for Americans. I looked at the American tax code once, and found that it was even more complicated than the Danish one.. which is crazy.... remember Denmark is a high tax country, with lots of stupid rules and paper work. And yet our tax system is far more simple and is in fact done by the tax man for us. Most people just have to approve the tax papers each year!

Business Tax Increase -- $275 Billion: Clinton has called for a tax hike of at least $275 billion through undefined business tax reform. According to the Clinton campaign document, "Hillary will fully pay for these [Infrastructure] investments through business tax reform."

Well if she is closing loopholes then I am all for it. It is the nr. 1 problem. Yes you have 32% (or whatever it is) corporation tax, but actual burden for companies is far far far lower due to the loopholes and ability to evade paying taxes. There is no doubt that the business tax code needs ripping up and replaced... sure lower the % to say 25 or even 20.. it wont matter much unless the loopholes are stopped. Why? Because most big corporations either dont pay any taxes or pay in the single digit range. Basically the present code is pro big business and hurts innovation and small/medium businesses that cant afford the expensive corporate lawyers and accountants.

"Fairness" Tax Increase -- $400 Billion: According to her published plan,Clinton has called for a tax increase of "between $400 and $500 billion" by "restoring basic fairness to our tax code." These proposals include a "fair share surcharge," the taxing of carried interest capital gains as ordinary income, and a hike in the Death Tax.

Only way to get fairness in the US tax system, is to gut loopholes and ability to deduct so much. As for the Death Tax.. it is already so insane high so what is the point. Get rid of it and replace it with something better, like 30% over 1 million dollars.

Capital Gains Tax Increase -- Clinton has proposed an increase in the capital gains tax to counter the "tyranny of today's earnings report." Her plan calls for an overly complex, byzantine capital gains tax regime with six brackets for those whose total taxable income puts them in the top 39.6 percent bracket. Her campaign has not said how much this will increase taxes.

Well it is a plan.. but I would remove Capital gains all together. All income gotten from "capital gains" should be taxed at the personal or corporation tax. But that won fly in either party I suspect.

Tax on Stock Trading -- Clinton has proposed a new, unquantified tax on stock trading. The tax increase would only further burden markets by discouraging trading and investment. Inevitably, costs associated with this new tax will be borne by millions of American families that hold 401(k)s, IRAs and other savings accounts.

If it is what I think it is, then it is a brilliant idea. Let the financial institutions pay for their own mistakes, by putting on a 1-3% tax per transaction and that money be put in a fund for bailouts. It is what the EU has wanted to do since the crisis started. And yes, the politicians can not borrow from it to cover up deficits. It might actually help 401(k)s and saving accounts, as it would discourage high frequency trading and the risk involved with that. The markets might actually act as they should, with such a tax. Will it happen in the US? Doubtful, financial institutions own far too many congressmen to make it realistic.

"Exit Tax" - Rather than reduce the extremely high, uncompetitive corporate tax rate, Clinton has proposed a series of measures aimed at inversions including an "exit tax" - on income earned overseas. The term "exit tax" is used by the campaign itself. This proposal would completely fail to address the underlying causes behind inversions. Her campaign document describing this proposal says it will raise $80 billion in tax revenue, but claims some of the $80 billion will be plowed into tax relief. It does not specify a dollar amount.

Stupid move, but I understand it. Instead she should focus on getting rid of the tax havens around the world and in the US, that cause the problem in the first place. Had the US corporation tax rate been around average, and no tax haven ability... then there would be no problem. Instead, both the US, others and especially the UK protect tax havens under their own control.
 
So...who here thinks this stuff is a good idea? Who thinks it's a bad idea?

More and more businesses will move out of the US if this **** is implemented.
 
I think its a great idea to use taxation to pay for government spending. We can argue over the best taxation policy to raise that revenue, but the need to fund government provided goods and services is hardly debatable.

So you would endorse increased taxes on businesses, resulting in more layoffs and more companies moving overseas....just so our bloated government can be kept fed?

Yeah...that's going be a real good thing for our economy!
 
The average Joe does not get to go bankrupt 4 times and still have money in the bank.... let alone get loans. And yes most of his bankruptcies were with his casinos, but if you investigate the situations you quickly understand that he miss-managed the at least 2 of the situations so badly, that you have to wonder how on earth he still is allowed to do business.

I see you didn't deny that you are scared as hell that he could win.
 
Because he is lying about it, what else? Trump won't release his tax returns because it will show what a liar he is.

So, you are saying that he is lying about being rich and that he really is an average Joe? You don't even know if he is lying or not but we do know for a fact that Hillary is a devoted liar, many times over.
 
So you would endorse increased taxes on businesses, resulting in more layoffs and more companies moving overseas....just so our bloated government can be kept fed?

Yeah...that's going be a real good thing for our economy!

Liberals have blinders on. They have an amazing inability to see how their policies make things worse instead of better.
 
I see you didn't deny that you are scared as hell that he could win.

No, I did not comment on it. But yes, I am scared that he will win. As I said to a friend the other day during our weekly political discussion... if Trump wins, then lets really have a blowout Christmas and New Years, as it might be our last... and I am very serious.
 
When liberals talk about "fairness" protect your wallet and keep your kids away from school buses.

Totally agree.

(Look at my sig line)
 
So you would endorse increased taxes on businesses, resulting in more layoffs and more companies moving overseas....just so our bloated government can be kept fed?

Yeah...that's going be a real good thing for our economy!

No - see my post #18 in this thread.
 
No, I did not comment on it. But yes, I am scared that he will win. As I said to a friend the other day during our weekly political discussion... if Trump wins, then lets really have a blowout Christmas and New Years, as it might be our last... and I am very serious.

Donald probably deserves those kinds of thoughts but I have trained myself over the decades (being in charge of hiring) not to over analyze by nitpicking and looking at the big picture instead. Trump is more like a dog that does a lot of barking but does not bite. He's one of the most horrible people there is at speaking off the cuff and not getting across who he really is or what he really wants, his political incorrectness. People worry about him having his finger on the button but the truth is he has been against most of the wars this country has been fighting recently when even Hillary and Obama were more hawkish. He comes across as being a bigoted hater of immigrants but the truth is his own family were legal immigrants and at least two of his wives have been legal immigrants. He is not really against Muslims entering the country but is against Muslims who can't be properly vetted from entering the country and, unfortunately, that encompasses a lot of Muslims. Look at the terrorism happening in Europe from welcoming unvetted refugees and immigrants from entering their countries. Trump doesn't want that happening here. People seem to think that he has some kind of prejudice against women but in both his campaign and his businesses, he has many women in positions of authority. Now I'm not a Trump supporter and don't know if I am going to vote for him or not but I think people are attacking him unjustly because of his political incorrectness, and much of that comes from partisans that just want to take advantage of his off the cuff shoot himself in the foot style. But that is what partisans are going to do anyway, even if an establishment Republican had won the nomination. At least you are not so partisan that you think Hillary is a slam dunk. You have a right to be worried. Hillary keeps on talking about how negative the Republicans and their convention were and claims to want to run a positive campaign and then throws commercials out being as negative as she can about Trump. What happened to her positive campaign? Is she going to spend this fall constantly talking a positive message or is she going to be throwing up commercial after commercial of Trump putting his foot in his mouth?
 
The average Joe does not get to go bankrupt 4 times and still have money in the bank.... let alone get loans. And yes most of his bankruptcies were with his casinos, but if you investigate the situations you quickly understand that he miss-managed the at least 2 of the situations so badly, that you have to wonder how on earth he still is allowed to do business.

You don't understand how American bankruptcy laws work.

Please research what Chapter 7 and Chapter 11 are.
 
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