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Why Trump Wins

Saying what they want to hear is called demagoguery. Donald Trump told suckers what they wanted to hear to get them into his casinos to be fleeced. He told suckers what they wanted to hear to get them to invest in his planned bankruptcies where they got fleeced. He told suckers what they wanted to hear to get them enrolled in Trump University.

And now, you proudly say, he's telling the suckers what they want to hear. If I didn't care so much about America I would laugh as the suckers wonder when he deport the illegal aliens and when the wall will be built and when he does something besides fleece the suckers.

The arrogant libs double down with their contempt for ordinary folks. They can't help it, I guess. To regard ordinary citizens as human beings is just beyond them.
 
A group of historians put out a manifesto about how bad Trump is and what a disaster he'd be for the country.

I could only laugh to think these guys believe they have any influence over the folks who Trump appeals to.

The folks know the elites, like university professors. They know how much these people hate and look down on them. They won't be listening to them, and if they do it will be only to dismiss them.

The folks learned something about political elites by watching the EPA. They watched as the EPA closed down industries and put people out of work without batting an eyelash, without doing anything for the displaced workers. That's what the elites think of ordinary folks, which is to say, nothing at all.

The culture the elites inhabit is like out of Sodom and Gomorrha to the ordinary folks. All this stuff about gay marriage, transsexual male rights to women's bathroom, etc. It all seems so completely degenerate and deviant. The elites of both parties inhabit this culture, which could be from some other planet. The folks worry about what this country is turning into.

And about the nation's security, what is there to say about a President who won't even name the enemy?

The folks are listening to Trump, and Trump and only Trump is saying the things they want to hear, about how Trump is going to bring back jobs, improve the economy, and make America strong and respected.

Most of these folks don't care if Trump is called racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. They know they'd be considered the same just for worrying about our culture, they know, in short, that these charges are not true because elites lie.

Most of these folks have been losing ground for the last 15 years. They saw the Tea Party emerge and then get ground into the cement by the attacks of elites, by the IRS and other government agencies. They learned it doesn't pay to be nice and polite.

Even if the Democrat suddenly saw the light and started talking about cracking down on illegal immigrants and bringing jobs back to this country the folks would ignore it. They know how the elites lie and betray anyone who believes in them. They know how the elites will say anything and do anything to get what they want. The folks have learned to ignore them. And Trump? Well, if you've ever seen one of his rallies you know that there's something he does that the media never reports, and Hillary and the Democrats never do themselves that I know of, which is to state how humbled he is and thankful to the people who turned out to see him, how much he loves them and is concerned for them and wants to help them. He comes across as a regular guy who wants to help, and he seems sincere about it. They eat that stuff up. Like I said, they are not getting it from anyone else.


environmental protection and gay marriage seem like fine things you seem to have the hatred and looking down on people thing going for yourself
 
Then vote for Crooked Hillary.
I told you, I'm not voting Trump.



Nor am I voting for Hillary.


I'm either staying home, or voting a third party, and for me to say that is seriously ****ed up. I've been against 3rd party my whole life. Not this time. Hillary, or her political twin, funding twin, honesty twin DJTrump.... yeah how about neither.
 
The arrogant libs double down with their contempt for ordinary folks. They can't help it, I guess. To regard ordinary citizens as human beings is just beyond them.

I wouldn't know but Trumpkins should be experts on liberals since Devious Donald, the huckster, is a lifelong Democrat. Of course, ordinary citizens are human beings. Even the suckers who fall for Dishonest Donald's bull**** are human beings. The poor fools who lost over a billion dollars to Deadbeat Donald are human beings. And the poor hopeful suckers who gave Trump University thousands of dollars are human beings. I feel sorry for all of them.

If Delicate Donald wins the election I will feel sorry for all Americans. They're human beings, too, you know. If Sen. Clinton wins I'll feel sorry for all Americans. Sen. Clinton and Mr. Trump both have one guiding principle. If the money is there, I do not care.

And, you know, suckers can say, "What a minute? Do I really want to buy a used car from this guy?"
 
I told you, I'm not voting Trump.

Nor am I voting for Hillary.

Fair enough, I don't think it's a very wise decision, but we all have our crosses to bear.

By the time of my state's primary, there wasn't anyone to vote for except DJT and I'll be damned if I throw away my vote. I find The Queen of Corruption absolutely disgusting she is what is wrong with the nation, not the solution.
 
I don't get his appeal. He's a braggart with a track record of business failures, politically liberal/progressive ideas, loves the use of Government to enrich himself and oh yea, all this crap from that hypocrite about "American Jobs for Americans!"? Who'd he hire in his businesses? Illegals, H1B Visa workers, temporary visa workers... he shafted American workers when it was his dime on the line, why should we believe he gives two ****s now?

Because he says so?

Yes, we get it. Trump is a bad guy. But I would be interested in hearing an answer to the question you were actually asked.

clownboy asked:
Once someone calls you stupid, are you going to listen to another word out of their mouths?

Are you not seeing that once you play the insult card, nobody is going to listen to what you have to say thereafter; reasonable or not? Mayhap, a little civility will go a long way towards making an influential argument.
 
Oh I see. You're confused into thinking that when people trash Trump, point out the ridiculousness of him, point out the insincerity of him, point out the mounds of conflicting data on him, they're aiming at people like you, ie other zealous sycophants of the man who embody his own sarcastic quip that he could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and they'd still love him?

No. No no no. You don't convince true believers. You don't coerce those who have no desire to think or look at anything objectively or reasonably. Those are lost causes. All the "nevertrump" talk, and the arguments against him, aren't aimed at the likes of you but rather at other targets depending on the speaker. They're aimed at those who haven't made a decision. At actual independents/undecided. At blue color liberals thinking of crossing over. Towards Ted Cruz style conservatives that are unsure how to feel about Trump. Towards "mainstream" moderate Republicans who aren't full plugged in. On those that are astute with politics but finding it difficult to decide if they want to go for either big candidate or a 3rd party.

What's probably confusing is that often the arguments are made by responding to people like you, so it seems like the argument is with you to convince you. It's generally not, it's an argument with Trump supporters to highlight where their wrong and to counter their arguments so that onlookers will hopefully be swayed one way instead of the other.

If anyone truly thinks they're going to change the mind of a true believer in any candidate then they're simply kidding themselves into doing an impossible task.

I don't believe you know me enough to tell when I'm confused or by what. And you are way off the mark when you suppose the elitist maroons are focused in their targeting. They just can't help themselves. ANYONE who doesn't immediately bow down to their opinion is "stupid" and they can't help themselves but to bray it loud and strong. The folks you say they are targeting hear this and will go to the booth in November to vote Trump with a "**** you" on their minds for the self proclaimed elites.
 
Yes, we get it. Trump is a bad guy. But I would be interested in hearing an answer to the question you were actually asked.

clownboy asked:

Are you not seeing that once you play the insult card, nobody is going to listen to what you have to say thereafter; reasonable or not? Mayhap, a little civility will go a long way towards making an influential argument.

Oh I SEE! I shouldn't insult their intelligence. They've done that already, by backing Trump.
 
I don't believe you know me enough to tell when I'm confused or by what. And you are way off the mark when you suppose the elitist maroons are focused in their targeting. They just can't help themselves. ANYONE who doesn't immediately bow down to their opinion is "stupid" and they can't help themselves but to bray it loud and strong. The folks you say they are targeting hear this and will go to the booth in November to vote Trump with a "**** you" on their minds for the self proclaimed elites.

Victim Card Professional: Clownboy.
 
Victim Card Professional: Clownboy.

:lamo coming from you that's rich stuff there. My guess is that you finally realize what I'm talking about and are having a "Doh!" moment.
 
:lamo coming from you that's rich stuff there. My guess is that you finally realize what I'm talking about and are having a "Doh!" moment.

I get what you want, I just am so appalled at Trump an the fanatic level of support for him that mocking his supporters is more useful. Trying to talk to them is like talking to walls.
 
Oh I SEE! I shouldn't insult their intelligence. They've done that already, by backing Trump.

What you need to see is that post like that simply turn any salient points in your post into "blah blah... blah... blahblah, blah, blah..."

Is civility actually beyond your reach? You sure seem like a reasonable poster when Trump is not the subject. I hope he doesn't have that much power over you.
 
What you need to see is that post like that simply turn any salient points in your post into "blah blah... blah... blahblah, blah, blah..."

Is civility actually beyond your reach? You sure seem like a reasonable poster when Trump is not the subject. I hope he doesn't have that much power over you.

I really don't care dude. Crying about civility when it comes to Trump is like demanding Honesty from a Clinton supporter. It's just to IRONIC.

 
I get what you want, I just am so appalled at Trump an the fanatic level of support for him that mocking his supporters is more useful. Trying to talk to them is like talking to walls.

Might help if you realize you're really not smarter or better than the next fellow/gal and that their support of people and things you do not is not proof of stupidity (at least on their part).
 
Might help if you realize you're really not smarter or better than the next fellow/gal and that their support of people and things you do not is not proof of stupidity (at least on their part).

/shrug I find support of Trump to be stupid. I think backing him is the most asininely unintelligent move a voter could make. I think Trump is a hypocrite, a liar, a braggart, a jerk, crass, unpresidential, a conman, a hype man, a phoney.

I've laid out why many times, nicely. I've made that case, the Trumpette's response is always the same "Whatever VOTE HILLARY LOSER!!! LOL!! TRUMP!!!!"
 
I really don't care dude. Crying about civility when it comes to Trump is like demanding Honesty from a Clinton supporter. It's just to IRONIC.



I wasn't talking about Trump's civility, we are talking about yours. Is Trump the kind of man with whom you really want to model yourself? That man is occupying too much space in your head rent free, you need to chase the demon out. I know this woman that claims she does exorcisms. I can hook you up. :)
 
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