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"White Boy Privilege" Goes viral.

Harry Guerrilla said:
That's rather arguable based on locality.
With that said, there number of Black families struggling, with single parent households in the near 70% range, they're one emergency away from falling right back into poverty.
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you didnt comprehend this... Half of blacks are middle class or better. You dont know what you are talking about.
 
katzgar said:
you didnt comprehend this... Half of blacks are middle class or better. You dont know what you are talking about.
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No I did comprehend that.
If you look at the income breakdowns and localities of where these people live, you can get an awfully different picture.
Black people largely live in cities or in near city suburbs, where the same middlish income doesn't have the spending power compared to outer city suburbs and rural areas.
Not to mention that the 25%ish of Black people that live at or below the poverty line.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Assuming that your presumption of inequality of opportunity doesn't exist, how do we get to that ideal situation?
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I'm not even American, let alone a policy-maker, but I imagine a few key points would be:

> Reform the justice system: America's imprisonment rates are absurdly high compared to other countries, perhaps due in part to profit-driven prison systems, even though it's well-known that imprisonment often leads to higher criminality rates on release. The system should be aimed at rehabilitation, not punishment, and imprisoning people for things like minor drug possession charges is absurd (especially when it contributes so much to single-parent households).

> Improve the education system: I've heard that a great deal is already spent on public education, so maybe reform is needed rather than just more cash. In particular, urban kids should have a lot more opportunities for field trips - camping, hiking, fishing etc. (and maybe the reverse for rural kids). Humans are intelligent, curious creatures and kids are no exception, but making education a dreary prison system for young minds is a recipe for disaster, especially in poorer urban areas.

> More focus on sexual education: Understanding things like the warped perspectives which can result from porn being so easily accessible online to teenage boys (so both girls and boys have a better chance of handling it), understanding why teenage pregnancy can jeopardize lifelong goals, understanding why stable two-parent families are so important for kids' upbringing, and ensuring availability of contraceptives for everyone, and abortion if required.

> Reform to discourage welfare dependency: Gradually reduce welfare payments for each child beyond the 1st or 2nd, to discourage large poor families and give a better chance to each child. Require mandatory job training/education after several months on unemployment benefits, and gradually reduce the payment if recipients don't comply. Correlate the payments against the local unemployment rates so that if there's literally no work available, conditions on the payments are less stringent. Offer incentives for moving to areas where workers are needed.

> Free universal healthcare, so illness doesn't drag families down.

> Gun control, to help reduce the appalling rates of homicide in poor urban communities and help ensure that police aren't forced to live in such mortal fear of the people they wanted to protect and serve.


Edit: And include in the educational stuff some teaching about the crab pot mentality which Harry's been talking about - also a pretty big issue!
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
The school can't fix what the parents don't care about.
Again, I remember the Black kids in my elementary school.
The kids who turned into respectable adults fall into the "Uncle Tom" category, the kids who turned into bad adults were not.
That's an internal problem.
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You don't understand the situation. If the parents were well educated, the kids wouldn't be in that environment to begin with. If the parents could help the kids learn algebra, geometry, english, etc. that would be an entirely different situation. The "privileged white boy" in the OP has been accused of his parents doing his homework, that doesn't happen where I went to school. One of my best friend's mom was constantly overdosing on drugs. She ended up in child welfare services where she made accusations of molestation and rape. Her mother ended up in prostitution, and then dying from her addition. There were rumors my friend was forced to prostitute by her own mom to support her drug addition.

There is a generational issue on going in the situations I describe. I have seen it first hand, but to say the parents simply don't care, is an oversight. The parents don't know how to care, or what to care about. It's not a lack of caring, it's a lack of understanding, and it's a generational issue.

I also saw hypocrisy in parents. Another friend's dad sold drugs. I would say he is an OK guy today, because he didn't do anything wrong other than sell drugs. He also tried to be a good dad. He would beat her ass for breaking the rules or doing something wrong. He wanted her graduate from high school, and not get into drugs. She ended up doing exactly what he didn't want despite the strict disciple.

Some parents try harder than others, but it's a bad environment. The school system is bad, as I said, you're another face in the crowd. The schools have violence, the neighborhood has crime, and learning who to trust is a challenge.
 
SheWolf said:
You don't understand the situation. If the parents were well educated, the kids wouldn't be in that environment to begin with. If the parents could help the kids learn algebra, geometry, english, etc. that would be an entirely different situation. The "privileged white boy" in the OP has been accused of his parents doing his homework, that doesn't happen where I went to school. One of my best friend's mom was constantly overdosing on drugs. She ended up in child welfare services where she made accusations of molestation and rape. Her mother ended up in prostitution, and then dying from her addition. There were rumors my friend was forced to prostitute by her own mom to support her drug addition.
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I can weirdly understand this situation.
Something very similar happened to 2 of my family members.
They never came back after that situation, never could get into normalized adulthood.

SheWolf said:
There is a generational issue on going in the situations I describe. I have seen it first hand, but to say the parents simply don't care, is an oversight. The parents don't know how to care, or what to care about. It's not a lack of caring, it's a lack of understanding, and it's a generational issue.

I also saw hypocrisy in parents. Another friend's dad sold drugs. I would say he is an OK guy today, because he didn't do anything wrong other than sell drugs. He also tried to be a good dad. He would beat her ass for breaking the rules or doing something wrong. He wanted her graduate from high school, and not get into drugs. She ended up doing exactly what he didn't want despite the strict disciple.

Some parents try harder than others, but it's a bad environment. The school system is bad, as I said, you're another face in the crowd. The schools have violence, the neighborhood has crime, and learning who to trust is a challenge.
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I understand completely, but declaring Whites have privilege does nothing to alleviate it.
It's an empty move, it's meaningless, causes no real proactive action and only seems to make wealthy Whites feel better about themselves, while pissing off the not wealthy Whites.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
No I did comprehend that.
If you look at the income breakdowns and localities of where these people live, you can get an awfully different picture.
Black people largely live in cities or in near city suburbs, where the same middlish income doesn't have the spending power compared to outer city suburbs and rural areas.
Not to mention that the 25%ish of Black people that live at or below the poverty line.
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50% is 50% no matter what the break down. 25% in poverty is true but what percent of those people are in poverty account of off shoring and automation?
 
SheWolf said:
Some people are so poor they will steal your version of ****ty silver ware. I used to work at a hair salon (and if you are wondering, it was in a ****ty part of town ran by black women), and we used to lock the toilet paper rolls down so nobody would steal them. Pawn shops and businesses had bars on the windows. You obviously have clue how some people live in the same country as yourself.
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I'm assuming you meant "no" clue. I have a clue. Several of them, in fact.
 
SheWolf said:
A lot of middle class people are ignorant about urban poverty as well. They tend to not think it's as bad as it is. If you live in rural America and you're poor, it's not the same as living with the violence and poverty of inner cities. Not all poverty is the same.
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SheWolf said:
It's not the same. Inner cities have way more violence than small towns and townships. The entire social experience is different. I went to school in an inner city for years, then graduated from a small town high school.
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SheWolf said:
We will probably never agree. But I still think inner city is worse than rural poverty. It's louder, it's more crime ridden, and it feels hopeless to know you're around hundreds of people everyday who are suffering in their own ways and almost none of them give a crap about you. In the school system, you're lost. You're just another body. At least in a rural school, the teacher's know your name and face.
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What on earth makes you think no one outside the inner city understands what goes on there?
They don't like it, don't want to import it, and would want to get out like you did if they were there.
It's really no mystery.

Maybe if those inner city citizens would get rid of the people who need to maintain dependency.
You know who I mean ... you'll recognize them when you hear the pandering.
 
Mithrae said:
I'm not even American, let alone a policy-maker, but I imagine a few key points would be:


> Reform the justice system: America's imprisonment rates are absurdly high compared to other countries, perhaps due in part to profit-driven prison systems, even though it's well-known that imprisonment often leads to higher criminality rates on release. The system should be aimed at rehabilitation, not punishment, and imprisoning people for things like minor drug possession charges is absurd (especially when it contributes so much to single-parent households).
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What should we do? Should we not punish people for violating the law? How does this have anything to do with race?

> Improve the education system: I've heard that a great deal is already spent on public education, so maybe reform is needed rather than just more cash. In particular, urban kids should have a lot more opportunities for field trips - camping, hiking, fishing etc. (and maybe the reverse for rural kids). Humans are intelligent, curious creatures and kids are no exception, but making education a dreary prison system for young minds is a recipe for disaster, especially in poorer urban areas.
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LOL...field trips? Really? I've posted before that the real reform needed is in education and that class size is way to big. There have been several studies showing that smaller class sizes benefit minorities greatly while not benefiting whites. Likely because suburban classrooms are not over crowded.

> More focus on sexual education: Understanding things like the warped perspectives which can result from porn being so easily accessible online to teenage boys (so both girls and boys have a better chance of handling it), understanding why teenage pregnancy can jeopardize lifelong goals, understanding why stable two-parent families are so important for kids' upbringing, and ensuring availability of contraceptives for everyone, and abortion if required.
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More? We are teaching them about sex as early as the 3rd grade now. How much more do we need?

> Reform to discourage welfare dependency: Gradually reduce welfare payments for each child beyond the 1st or 2nd, to discourage large poor families and give a better chance to each child. Require mandatory job training/education after several months on unemployment benefits, and gradually reduce the payment if recipients don't comply. Correlate the payments against the local unemployment rates so that if there's literally no work available, conditions on the payments are less stringent. Offer incentives for moving to areas where workers are needed.
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We did that and it crept its way back, peaking at Obama care.

> Free universal healthcare, so illness doesn't drag families down.
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We value freedom over dependency. I'd rather keep my right to life and our problems than give up my right to life.

> Gun control, to help reduce the appalling rates of homicide in poor urban communities and help ensure that police aren't forced to live in such mortal fear of the people they wanted to protect and serve.
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That worked well for Venezuela, didn't it?

Edit: And include in the educational stuff some teaching about the crab pot mentality which Harry's been talking about - also a pretty big issue!
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bubbabgone said:
What on earth makes you think no one outside the inner city understands what goes on there?
They don't like it, don't want to import it, and would want to get out like you did if they were there.
It's really no mystery.

Maybe if those inner city citizens would get rid of the people who need to maintain dependency.
You know who I mean ... you'll recognize them when you hear the pandering.
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People not living there really don't know what it's like. It's something I avoid discussing in person, because most people can't relate and react with disbelief. Furthermore, I know I can't imagine how bad it must be in worse urban settings. I never lived in Cabrini Green. People dying because the ambulance drivers are too afraid to enter, isn't something I have witnessed first hand, but that happened in Cabrini Green.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I can weirdly understand this situation.
Something very similar happened to 2 of my family members.
They never came back after that situation, never could get into normalized adulthood.



I understand completely, but declaring Whites have privilege does nothing to alleviate it.
It's an empty move, it's meaningless, causes no real proactive action and only seems to make wealthy Whites feel better about themselves, while pissing off the not wealthy Whites.
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Declaring poor white rural people understand and relate to poor inner city black people doesn't change or alleviate anything either. It also neglects discussing the obvious differences between living in one place vs another. At least in small towns and townships, the community funds are more likely to be spread out evenly. In the inner city, the infrastructure is crumbling, the roads are in disrepair, and the schools are worthless. Cities take care of infrastructure, schools, and parks outside of the "inner city."
 
SheWolf said:
Declaring poor white rural people understand and relate to poor inner city black people doesn't change or alleviate anything either. It also neglects discussing the obvious differences between living in one place vs another. At least in small towns and townships, the community funds are more likely to be spread out evenly. In the inner city, the infrastructure is crumbling, the roads are in disrepair, and the schools are worthless. Cities take care of infrastructure, schools, and parks outside of the "inner city."
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The point is that it's not some Black only thing to live in poverty, to have a ****ty start, that it's not some real privilege to be "White."
Because when you're White, there isn't anyone apologizing for your situation, no matter how ****ty it is.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
The point is that it's not some Black only thing to live in poverty, to have a ****ty start, that it's not some real privilege to be "White."
Because when you're White, there isn't anyone apologizing for your situation, no matter how ****ty it is.
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That's not what "white privilege" really means. Rich black people are not suddenly awarded white privilege, because they are wealthy. It's not about money.
 
SheWolf said:
That's not what "white privilege" really means. Rich black people are not suddenly awarded white privilege, because they are wealthy. It's not about money.
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I disagree with that.
You'd have to get me to disbelieve human psychology that resources (e.g. money/wealth) have little to no effect on privilege, when often they do.

White privilege comes of as nothing but a guilting mechanism to silence others.
Whether or not that is the intention, that is the popular perception.
Besides that though, being the "status quo" is not necessarily "privilege" and can come with drawbacks that undermine the assumed "privilege."
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I disagree with that.
You'd have to get me to disbelieve human psychology that resources (e.g. money/wealth) have little to no effect on privilege, when often they do.

White privilege comes of as nothing but a guilting mechanism to silence others.
Whether or not that is the intention, that is the popular perception.
Besides that though, being the "status quo" is not necessarily "privilege" and can come with drawbacks that undermine the assumed "privilege."
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Just look up and read what "white privilege" means. It has nothing to do with income.
 
Inspired little guy.

I laughed my ass off at the white boy privilege safety blanket thingy.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Even gay men are being roped into the "privileged" category, the same is going for FTM transgender.
Making ****ty poems is not something exclusive to gay men.
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True story. I went out with a few guys who wrote poetry. It was ..... awful. The poems. The dates weren't that great either.
 
SheWolf said:
It's not the same. Inner cities have way more violence than small towns and townships. The entire social experience is different. I went to school in an inner city for years, then graduated from a small town high school.
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Who's at fault for inner city violence? You surely can't be blaming outside influences for what someone chooses to do with their life. If someone wants to sling drugs and get involved with gangs, that's their own problem, not whiteys.
 
SheWolf said:
People not living there really don't know what it's like. It's something I avoid discussing in person, because most people can't relate and react with disbelief. Furthermore, I know I can't imagine how bad it must be in worse urban settings. I never lived in Cabrini Green. People dying because the ambulance drivers are too afraid to enter, isn't something I have witnessed first hand, but that happened in Cabrini Green.
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Try me.
Tell me something I won't believe.
And then tell me why the situation is extant.
 
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