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College Educated Whites Not Voting for Trump

Harry Guerrilla said:
Umm these people have been both Bernie and Hillary supporters.
It frankly doesn't matter though.

Acting like an ass wipe, to protest an ass wipe, doesn't make you any better.
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Who said it did? IMO, the asswipes only help Trump.
 
nota bene said:
I'm trying my best not to look. Whatever else Trump is good at, he's a naif in running a political campaign, much less one for the Presidency...whereas the Clintons have a machine that's been in place for decades.

I'm not sure how you define "evil," but morally and ethically bankrupt, avariciously ambitious at the expense of any scruples at all, and "narcissistic" are a damned good start.
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this is an accurate summation
 
calamity said:
Who said it did? IMO, the asswipes only help Trump.
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Well, this whole election has been, look at what a horrible, dickhead, racist, sexist, asshole Trump is.
While all/some of these things may be true, no one is being held accountable for the total lack of moderation.

So whatever anyone here has to say about Trump supporters, well I can at the very least apply that to non Trump supporters.
All I have to do is look at the events at San Jose to show it.
Assault, on wide scale.

Definitely taking some moral superiority there. :lol:
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Well, this whole election has been, look at what a horrible, dickhead, racist, sexist, asshole Trump is.
While all/some of these things may be true, no one is being held accountable for the total lack of moderation.

So whatever anyone here has to say about Trump supporters, well I can at the very least apply that to non Trump supporters.
All I have to do is look at the events at San Jose to show it.
Assault, on wide scale.

Definitely taking some moral superiority there. :lol:
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Black Lies MAtter protesters on one side, Trump and his wall on the other. It's definitely an election where we are choosing between bad and worse.
 
calamity said:
No surprise there.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/college-...rump-coalition-114157477--election.html?nhp=1
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I agree.

It has taken education years to indoctrinate students with a sense of entitlement, the belief they are owed something for nothing, and that one political party represents the Grinch who wants to steal their promised Christmas. By the time they have been granted entrance to college, these objectives have been firmly installed in their minds.

Trumps message, and that of the Republican party, is to take charge of ones life and apply the freedoms this country offers by taking responsibility for their own destiny.

It seems this appears to be to big an ask, so they prefer the freebies Clinton offers, or Sanders did.

If I were unfortunate enough to be a college age student today, it's possible this years long indoctrination via public education would have had the same effect on me.
 
calamity said:
Black Lies MAtter protesters on one side, Trump and his wall on the other. It's definitely an election where we are choosing between bad and worse.
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And Bernie supporters, Hillary supporters, etc.
No one has the morally superior position, no one.

Lumping everything on Trump, as if he were the anti Christ, is akin to Obama Derangement Syndrome.
 
ocean515 said:
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I agree.

It has taken education years to indoctrinate students with a sense of entitlement, the belief they are owed something for nothing, and that one political party represents the Grinch who wants to steal their promised Christmas. By the time they have been granted entrance to college, these objectives have been firmly installed in their minds.

Trumps message, and that of the Republican party, is to take charge of ones life and apply the freedoms this country offers by taking responsibility for their own destiny.

It seems this appears to be to big an ask, so they prefer the freebies Clinton offers, or Sanders did.

If I were unfortunate enough to be a college age student today, it's possible this years long indoctrination via public education would have had the same effect on me.
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lol...yeah, education bad. Trump supporter, I take it? :roll:
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
And Bernie supporters, Hillary supporters, etc.
No one has the morally superior position, no one.

Lumping everything on Trump, as if he were the anti Christ, is akin to Obama Derangement Syndrome.
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Trump is quite good at giving us that impression. Most Americans do not want a 50-foot wall at our border, a trade war with China, massive deportation of 10 million illegals, and a ban on Muslims. Is that so hard to understand?
 
calamity said:
lol...yeah, education bad. Trump supporter, I take it? :roll:
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No, education is good. However, today, it's mostly a scam. Almost criminal.

People cry about the "military-industrial complex" while completely ignoring the "education-ideological complex" that entices millions of young people with false promises of glorious futures while dragging them into lifelong debt.

In the past, part of the college experience was the acceptance of the sacrifice and dedication it took to get there. That was a sign of character employers recognized and looked for. Today, it's been cheapened into an extension of High School, and employers for the most part, view many degrees in that light.
 
calamity said:
Trump is quite good at giving us that impression. Most Americans do not want a 50-foot wall at our border, a trade war with China, massive deportation of 10 million illegals, and a ban on Muslims. Is that so hard to understand?
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Sorry, he's not the anti Christ.
Continuously pumping this message makes you as bad at the BLM movement.
You can disagree, you can point out all his flaws.

It's just that other people won't agree with and people not agreeing with, does not automatically make them stupid.
See posting what is essentially a lame ass personal attack on educational attainment for Trump supporters doesn't make you right.
It makes you wrong.
 
ocean515 said:
No, education is good. However, today, it's mostly a scam. Almost criminal.

People cry about the "military-industrial complex" while completely ignoring the "education-ideological complex" that entices millions of young people with false promises of glorious futures while dragging them into lifelong debt.

In the past, part of the college experience was the acceptance of the sacrifice and dedication it took to get there. That was a sign of character employers recognized and looked for. Today, it's been cheapened into an extension of High School, and employers for the most part, view many degrees in that light.
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This, this so much.
It's not "education," it's a credential, a hoop to jump through.

Nothing more, nothing less.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Every single word of this describes Trump as well. Why does the educated not voting for Trump automatically mean they're voting for Hillary?

You Trump supporters are always the same. Redirect any criticism of Trump to a dicussion of how corrupt Hillary is. That's pretty much the only thing he has going for him, isn't it? He's not Hillary.
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Dude, you profess to be truly educated, you constantly ooze of that conceit... yet prove over and over again to the contrary. Name the other, besides Hillary, viable alternative with a chance of winning in November... I will save us time...there is/are none.

No, what Trump does have going for him besides not being Hillary [ and I would not have chosen him as my guy but now there are ONLY two real choices ] is that he has actually built things, real things, had real jobs he himself created or helped create, has created jobs for others domestic and foreign, has had to deal with, overcome the Byzantine bureaucracies here and abroad that Hillary et. al. have only striven to create, enlarge, and with which usually only to frustrate and boggle the mind. Trump is a more real world type that has not been in government all his life.

"Every single word of this describes Trump as well. " Not true as far as I know. Show me where he is a proven criminal having broken laws and just not indicted. Not just "trumped up" charges. It may be true, but show me.

Besides, even though having degrees/teaching, I understand the downfalls of our "educated" class. Oh, and you spelled discussion incorrectly.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
This, this so much.
It's not "education," it's a credential, a hoop to jump through.

Nothing more, nothing less.
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More so, the "education-ideological complex" promotes a message that without a college degree the future will be bleak. Giving to reality, that is absurd, and nothing but an attempt by the EI Complex to profit from such propaganda.

Consider the windfall for college enterprises if "free college" becomes the norm. Has anyone in these elitist institutions considered how employers will view the students who graduate from such an entitlement?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
This, this so much.
It's not "education," it's a credential, a hoop to jump through.

Nothing more, nothing less.
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lol...more "education is bad" opinions. That's hilarious.
 
ocean515 said:
More so, the "education-ideological complex" promotes a message that without a college degree the future will be bleak. Giving to reality, that is absurd, and nothing but an attempt by the EI Complex to profit from such propaganda.

Consider the windfall for college enterprises if "free college" becomes the norm. Has anyone in these elitist institutions considered how employers will view the students who graduate from such an entitlement?
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Completely agree.
No one should ever be surprised to hear a college or college prof advocating for "free" college.
It's like Ford saying all other vehicles should be illegal.
 
calamity said:
lol...more "education is bad" opinions. That's hilarious.
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It's a false equivocation.
You assume the credentialing process is education, as in teaching people to be more reasoned logical thinkers.
Again, your mockery is proof of concept, it's just another lame ass personal attack.
 
calamity said:
No surprise there.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/college-...rump-coalition-114157477--election.html?nhp=1
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I was reading the latest Quinnipiac poll when I came across your thread. Yes, more college educated support Clinton. Quinnipiac has it 44-34 with Johnson and Stein combining for 10%. I am sure you didn’t mean this as a put down for the average American who doesn’t have a college education, who considers those who do the elite of society. Now 44% certainly is not a majority. I find it kind of amazing that two candidates from two parties that never received as high as one percent in any presidential election can be as high as 10%. They do not have any money, no media coverage or hype, they are completely unknown, most Americans have never heard of them, no name recognition, don’t have a single idea where they stand on the issues. Yet the college educated individuals, 10% of them will give these two their vote only because they last name is not Trump or Clinton.

What’s even more interesting to me is Hispanics are giving these two 13% of their vote. That is the same as whites. Now independents breakdown 32% each for Trump and Clinton with Johnson and Stein receiving 21% of the non-affiliate vote or those who do not identify with either party. This is all listed in question 2.

https://www.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us06292016_Utwkv93x.pdf

Also you have 58% of all Americans stating they will never vote or probably not vote for Trump. That number is 55% for Clinton. So I can only conclude the majority of Americans do not want either Trump or Clinton. That the two major parties have really screwed up. Seems both major parties put their wants over what the majority of Americans want. But that is normal for our two major parties, they always think of themselves before the American People as a whole.

Just one last thing, only 37% of all Americans view Hillary Clinton in a positive light, 57% negatively. With independents, the non-affiliated the numbers are 27% positive, 66% negative. Trump, he is viewed positive by 34% of all Americans and negative by 57%. Independents are 32% positive, 58% negative. Strangely Trump is actually viewed less negative than Clinton among independents. But again, 21% of independents are backing Johnson or Stein simply because their last name isn’t Trump or Clinton.

Regardless of who wins, when the majority of all Americans dislike you, distrusts you, has no faith whatsoever in you, think your corrupt, these apply to both Clinton and Trump, how in the world do you expect one or the other to govern? Neither will have the support of the American people as a whole.

Thank you Major Political Parties. You both managed to screw the pooch and America at the same time.
 
ocean515 said:
More so, the "education-ideological complex" promotes a message that without a college degree the future will be bleak. Giving to reality, that is absurd, and nothing but an attempt by the EI Complex to profit from such propaganda.

Consider the windfall for college enterprises if "free college" becomes the norm. Has anyone in these elitist institutions considered how employers will view the students who graduate from such an entitlement?
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Probably the way they view those who graduated HS versus those who did not. :roll:

In my field, engineering, you pretty much need a Master's Degree to hang tough these days. You can call that level of education an indoctrination or whatever, but those of us in the field know different. People without an engineering degree are not well-rounded engineers, and those without a Master's are rapidly becoming marginalized.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
It's a false equivocation.
You assume the credentialing process is education, as in teaching people to be more reasoned logical thinkers.
Again, your mockery is proof of concept, it's just another lame ass personal attack.
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In my profession, I can almost immediately tell when someone has not completed a four year degree. Their methods are short on specifics, and they lack basic skills like designing an experiment and properly documenting the results, not to mention they often have no idea how to compile and interpret those results so that someone can understand what they discovered.

The biggest clue is that these people without college are not flexible. When their specific trade or job skill goes by way of the dodo, they are lost, take a buyout and work at Wal-Mart. The professional world is becoming too complex for people to navigate without education.
 
calamity said:
In my profession, I can almost immediately tell when someone has not completed a four year degree. Their methods are short on specifics, and they lack basic skills like designing an experiment and properly documenting the results, not to mention they often have no idea how to compile and interpret those results so that someone can understand what they discovered.
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Because engineering isn't really traditional "education" it's more technical education.
I was an engineering and chemistry major, until I got disillusioned with the whole system.

Yours is essentially a 4 year trade school.

calamity said:
The biggest clue is that these people without college are not flexible. When their specific trade or job skill goes by way of the dodo, they are lost, take a buyout and work at Wal-Mart. The professional world is becoming too complex for people to navigate without education.
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That's a load of crap.
It's just that firms are outsourcing their training to schools, rather than in housing like they used to do.
 
_Sal said:
educated enough to see that many of the decisions they make in certain situations they have zero control over

you can not possibly think your Potus doesn't answer to people at a much higher level regardless of which party they belong to

you can't change that, but what comes out of your mouth and the way you present can be changed

that's the one thing she has going for her
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Can you give some examples, Sal, of these many decisions/situations under which our elected officials, understanding that they are our servants, have zero control? I might agree with some but, for instance, the Secy of State being ultimately responsible for decisions on increased security requests in a place as volatile as Libya, that cannot be simply foisted off on some nameless faceless entity as you are attempting to profess here.

Be a bit more specific as to these people on a much higher level, please. Are you talking the puppet masters type of thing? Very nebulous your statements, amorphous to the point of ... is there really anything there there?

She has going for her a semi successful husband upon which his tattered silk coattails she has held on for dear political life... that and a party of the overly educated idiot class of which only a low percentage could make it in the real world without some sort of government teat to suck on.
 
Perotista said:
I was reading the latest Quinnipiac poll when I came across your thread. Yes, more college educated support Clinton. Quinnipiac has it 44-34 with Johnson and Stein combining for 10%. I am sure you didn’t mean this as a put down for the average American who doesn’t have a college education, who considers those who do the elite of society. Now 44% certainly is not a majority. I find it kind of amazing that two candidates from two parties that never received as high as one percent in any presidential election can be as high as 10%. They do not have any money, no media coverage or hype, they are completely unknown, most Americans have never heard of them, no name recognition, don’t have a single idea where they stand on the issues. Yet the college educated individuals, 10% of them will give these two their vote only because they last name is not Trump or Clinton.

What’s even more interesting to me is Hispanics are giving these two 13% of their vote. That is the same as whites. Now independents breakdown 32% each for Trump and Clinton with Johnson and Stein receiving 21% of the non-affiliate vote or those who do not identify with either party. This is all listed in question 2.

https://www.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us06292016_Utwkv93x.pdf

Also you have 58% of all Americans stating they will never vote or probably not vote for Trump. That number is 55% for Clinton. So I can only conclude the majority of Americans do not want either Trump or Clinton. That the two major parties have really screwed up. Seems both major parties put their wants over what the majority of Americans want. But that is normal for our two major parties, they always think of themselves before the American People as a whole.

Just one last thing, only 37% of all Americans view Hillary Clinton in a positive light, 57% negatively. With independents, the non-affiliated the numbers are 27% positive, 66% negative. Trump, he is viewed positive by 34% of all Americans and negative by 57%. Independents are 32% positive, 58% negative. Strangely Trump is actually viewed less negative than Clinton among independents. But again, 21% of independents are backing Johnson or Stein simply because their last name isn’t Trump or Clinton.

Regardless of who wins, when the majority of all Americans dislike you, distrusts you, has no faith whatsoever in you, think your corrupt, these apply to both Clinton and Trump, how in the world do you expect one or the other to govern? Neither will have the support of the American people as a whole.

Thank you Major Political Parties. You both managed to screw the pooch and America at the same time.
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Yep, the candidates for the two major parties are horrible. I totally agree.

BTW: I am one of those "independents" looking very closely at Johnson. I guess, if my choice is Hillary, Trump, No vote or Gary....Johnson is ahead by a nose with no vote right behind it.
 
ocean515 said:
So you think a 25 year old, holding a degree in Art History, or Comparative Literature, $60,000 in debt, is a good result of this "education"?
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No, but a degree in Accounting, Finance, Economics, Engineering, Chemistry, Physics or Biology most certainly is.
 
calamity said:
Probably the way they view those who graduated HS versus those who did not. :roll:

In my field, engineering, you pretty much need a Master's Degree to hang tough these days. You can call that level of education an indoctrination or whatever, but those of us in the field know different. People without an engineering degree are not well-rounded engineers, and those without a Master's are rapidly becoming marginalized.
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I absolutely support degreed programs in core disciplines. Engineering, Science, etc.. There is an extreme shortage of young people pursuing such education, although there is hope that is changing.

I currently employ over a dozen engineers. The majority of them received their education outside the United States. That needs to change.

I advocate full support for those seeking degrees on the core disciplines, and an "on your own" for those who seek different degrees.
 
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