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College Educated Whites Not Voting for Trump

Mycroft said:
I've never suggested we "screen" people by their religion. And it's clear our current method that you like isn't working here in our country and it isn't working in other countries, either. We need to do a better job and we need to stop any of them from coming in until our methods are better. As I said, I'm not a security expert, so your continued, disingenuous requests for me to tell you WHAT those better methods are nothing more than a useless debate tactic. I don't care what those better methods might be, but I'm sure we have competent people who can figure them out.

Until we do, I have no problem disallowing Muslims from entering our country. It's for our own protection. You DO care about our own protection, don't you?
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You must be a Trump voter. "We need to do better. No, I don't have any clue whatsoever what that means, but we should definitely do better."

Once again you say you want to disallow Muslims from entering the country? HOW?? Do you have TSA agents baptize everyone at the airport just in case? Until you invent mind-reading or a muslim detection device your suggestion is nothing but fantasy-land nonsense. A terrorist can just lie when asked.

Gaugingcatenate said:
The analogy is quite apt, assuming you do understand the application of analogy. Until we can cure ourselves of disease in the form of radical Islam, no further immigration from Islamic dominated countries seems reasonable. In Western countries where we can more properly investigate those wishing to immigrate/travel to the US, we should do just that.

If one cannot be properly vetted from any country, too bad, so sad. Blame the Muslims that are not taking care of the problem in their own ranks if they want to be partners with the rest of the civilized world.

As to Muslims, particularly radical Muslims, they exist worldwide. To assume they only come from Arab countries is to be ignorant. To assume that I assume that is...well, anyhow, here is an indicator of Muslim majority distribution worldwide:

Mapping the Global Muslim Population | Pew Research Center
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Comparing 1.6 billion human beings to a virus to be exterminated is not an "apt analogy". As I said before, you could make the case that we shouldn't take anyone from 3rd world countries, but you suggesting we filter out specifically muslims is completely unrealistic and impossible to implement.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
You must be a Trump voter. "We need to do better. No, I don't have any clue whatsoever what that means, but we should definitely do better."

Once again you say you want to disallow Muslims from entering the country? HOW?? Do you have TSA agents baptize everyone at the airport just in case? Until you invent mind-reading or a muslim detection device your suggestion is nothing but fantasy-land nonsense. A terrorist can just lie when asked.
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I don't think you realize how our entry system works. People don't just "show up and enter our country"...unless we allow it. Muslims from another country...or anybody else, for that matter...don't just "show up and enter our country" unless we allow it.

Our screening process should be such that anybody who wants to enter our country must PROVE themselves to our satisfaction...or they might as well stay home because they won't get past the entry point. It doesn't take mind reading. It just takes anybody wanting to enter being able to satisfy our screening process. Right now, our screening process sucks. We need to deny anyone's ability to enter until we've created a screening process that works.

RabidAlpaca, you seem to be under that common liberal misconception that we should allow any Tom, Dick or Mary to enter the US...just because they want to. Sorry, but that's NOT how to ensure the security of our country and our people.
 
Mycroft said:
I don't think you realize how our entry system works. People don't just "show up and enter our country"...unless we allow it. Muslims from another country...or anybody else, for that matter...don't just "show up and enter our country" unless we allow it.

Our screening process should be such that anybody who wants to enter our country must PROVE themselves to our satisfaction...or they might as well stay home because they won't get past the entry point. It doesn't take mind reading. It just takes anybody wanting to enter being able to satisfy our screening process.

RabidAlpaca, you seem to be under that common liberal misconception that we should allow any Tom, Dick or Mary to enter the US...just because they want to. Sorry, but that's NOT how to ensure the security of our country and our people.
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LOL. Dude, have you ever traveled or talked to anyone who's ever traveled internationally? Pretty much any Tom, Dick or Mary can enter the US on a tourist visa simply by presenting their passport at the airport. They're officially allowed to stay for 90 days though there's nothing physically stopping them from staying longer. People like you get so wrapped up in emotions that you don't think about reality. Building a wall doesn't do anything if people can fly over it, and talking about filtering out muslims is complete nonsense if you don't have any suggestion as to how to accomplish it.

https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/visit/visa-waiver-program.html
 
RabidAlpaca said:
LOL. Dude, have you ever traveled or talked to anyone who's ever traveled internationally? Any Tom, Dick or Mary can enter the US on a tourist visa simply by presenting their passport at the airport. They're officially allowed to stay for 90 days though there's nothing physically stopping them from staying longer.
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Yes...that is the problem, isn't it? That should...and can...be changed.

People like you get so wrapped up in emotions that you don't think about reality. Building a wall doesn't do anything if people can fly over it, and talking about filtering out muslims is complete nonsense if you don't have any suggestion as to how to accomplish it.
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We already have a wall at our airports. All we need to do is close the gaping holes in that wall until we figure out an effective means to protect ourselves.
 
ocean515 said:
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I agree.

It has taken education years to indoctrinate students with a sense of entitlement, the belief they are owed something for nothing, and that one political party represents the Grinch who wants to steal their promised Christmas. By the time they have been granted entrance to college, these objectives have been firmly installed in their minds.

Trumps message, and that of the Republican party, is to take charge of ones life and apply the freedoms this country offers by taking responsibility for their own destiny.

It seems this appears to be to big an ask, so they prefer the freebies Clinton offers, or Sanders did.

If I were unfortunate enough to be a college age student today, it's possible this years long indoctrination via public education would have had the same effect on me.
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:lamo
 
Velvet Elvis said:
Maybe....but that just shows you how much people hate Hillary. Personally, I'd vote for a dead cockroach before I vote for that evil wench. Perhaps instead of complaining about Trump, the DNC should have propped up a more worthy candidate themselves. Liberals need to work on that, instead of constantly blaming republicans for their issues.
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That's rich.
 
Mycroft said:
I don't think you realize how our entry system works. People don't just "show up and enter our country"...unless we allow it. Muslims from another country...or anybody else, for that matter...don't just "show up and enter our country" unless we allow it.

Our screening process should be such that anybody who wants to enter our country must PROVE themselves to our satisfaction...or they might as well stay home because they won't get past the entry point. It doesn't take mind reading. It just takes anybody wanting to enter being able to satisfy our screening process. Right now, our screening process sucks. We need to deny anyone's ability to enter until we've created a screening process that works.

RabidAlpaca, you seem to be under that common liberal misconception that we should allow any Tom, Dick or Mary to enter the US...just because they want to. Sorry, but that's NOT how to ensure the security of our country and our people.
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Please. There is no screening process for Muslims you'd accept.
 
Deuce said:
Please. There is no screening process for Muslims you'd accept.
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Evidently you didn't bother to read my post.

Get back to me when you have.
 
ocean515 said:
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Another eloquent reply Kobie. 34,870 posts containing nothing of substance. It has to be a record, or more likely, a revelation.
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Every post of yours is pure garbage deserving of nothing but derision.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Comparing 1.6 billion human beings to a virus to be exterminated is not an "apt analogy". As I said before, you could make the case that we shouldn't take anyone from 3rd world countries, but you suggesting we filter out specifically muslims is completely unrealistic and impossible to implement.
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Your post is yet another example of the reason it is so cumbersome debating with liberals. You folks are so liberal with the way you handle other people's words.

Tell me precisely how did you extrapolate my exact statement herein cut and pasted, “Until we can cure ourselves of disease in the form of radical Islam ...” to somehow mean the exterminating of 1.6 billion? The only way you could intellectually be honest to do that would be if you felt that all 1.6 billion were radical Islamists. Is that your true belief? If so, yes we should indeed exterminate all 1.6 billion.

Many of you folks are just so detestably disingenuous, creating straw men to fight as apparently you would rather that than face the real facts of our current problem. You have NO answers and do not want anyone else to solve it, no matter how hard or damaging to the country.

If we need to take the step of suspending immigration from all 3rd world countries and also known Muslims/anyone who could not pass a background check, you would be against that?

Or better yet, what is your liberal answer to the problem? Please actually have an answer to how to solve the problem, not another on how to ignore the dilemma.
 
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