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Why so much hate in Texas?

DifferentDrummr said:
Texas was born broken. That's its birthright.

It can fill itself with blue bonnets, friendly drivers (sometimes), oil drilling, and good universities, but none of those things will make it whole. It's Texas, and there's no cure for that.
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You jelly? I hear jelly.
 
RetiredUSN said:
After living in Corpus/Ingleside my last 9 months in the Navy, I can see why Texans brag.

I loved the state (except Brownsville).

Texans tend to drive friendly once you clear the big cities. The folk were always very friendly!

It has almost gators than Florida....(something I learned the hard way)

Open country!

Gulf coast!...... Padre Island

You have everything in Texas.

I can see why folks brag.
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I was just recently down in Ingletucky, it's changed and it hasn't. Quite the nostalgia trip.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Yeah, because tolerance for ALL races and demographic groups is a progressive value, it must be wrong, huh?

I strongly remember I started a poll once asking which was more important, freedom FROM discrimination, or freedom TO discriminate. And surprise, surprise, guess who defended which side? ALL liberals (and some conservatives) supported freedom FROM discrimination...but every. single. one. of the DP members who defended the freedom TO discriminate was either conservative or libertarian.

Which should come as a surprise to precisely no one here.
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That's because we're honest, liberals discriminate quite harshly, but they see their hate as justifiable.
 
Captain America said:
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What went wrong Texas? Why so much gnashing of the teeth and oozing hatred for others?

Pray for Texas.
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I think the best way to describe Texas is: "So much!"

So much to love, so much to hate; it's really I love-hate affair.

Kinda' like the crazy women that has so much to give, but you can't live with her!

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And to add (gently):

As to your family, as much as they may be shaped by their environment, have you ever considered they have their own general ethos & culture? And by your independence and physical separation from them, you're establishing your own to some respect? Your own identity - not just that influenced by your new environment?
 
Carjosse said:
Well it is, it always comes in second. Second most land area, second largest economy, second largest population.
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Well, at least they can always say: "Thank God for Florida!" :lamo
 
Verthaine said:
People already have the right (is any one pointing a gun to your and your families heads forcing you not to discriminate?) and ability to discriminate.
What they want is the right to discriminate without absolutly no repurcussions whatsoever. Not just the right not to be prersecuted for committing a crime.But the right not to be sued,not to be boycotted,not to have bad reviews written aout them on Yelp, and not to even be criticized for it whatsoever.
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It is as if they expect to be congradulated by everyone,told what great people they are,have a parade thrown in their honor,and rose petels thrown at their feet.just because they refused to sell a wedding cake.
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No, people don't already have that right. And, no, people don't want that right to exist without repercussions as long as those repercussions are from other private citizens deciding not to associate with whatever group and tell others not to, either.

You also contradict yourself by saying they have that right and not pointing a gun to people's heads but then say they want to be able to do it without being sued. If you're sued that means the government is involved and every single law the government has is enforce by a gun and the right doesn't exist.

Freedom of speech isn't freedom of speech if only acceptable speech is allowed. The problem here is a fundamental lack of understanding of the concept of liberty.
 
Fishking said:
No, people don't already have that right.
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But they have the abilty to.If it breaks the law they get punished.
Don't like the law,change it.
Fishking said:
And, no, people don't want that right to exist without repercussions as long as those repercussions are from other private citizens deciding not to associate with whatever group and tell others not to, either.
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I'm sorry,is that just your opinion,or did you get elected as Everyone's spokesperson.
Being sued is just one of those repercussions.It is private citizens who are filing these lawsuits,and it is the government who decides whether or not the case has merit.


You also contradict yourself by saying they have that right and not pointing a gun to people's heads but then say they want to be able to do it without being sued. If you're sued that means the government is involved and every single law the government has is enforce by a gun and the right doesn't exist.

Being sued is a reality.Everybody has the right to approach the government to adress grieivences. If you break the rules,you pay the price. Don't like the rules,work to change them.
Lawsuits get dismissed all the time.

Freedom of speech isn't freedom of speech if only acceptable speech is allowed.
Exactly how is anyone's right to speech not being allowed?
If you break the law,you get punished.
Don't like the law,work to get it changed.
If a person insults another persons wife,and the husband kicks his ass,I am not goin to shed atear for the first gay for being a douche bag,and I am not going shed a tear for the husband when he get's arested.
Freedom of Speech does not nullify the Law of Unintended Conseuences.

Fishking said:
The problem here is a fundamental lack of understanding of the concept of liberty.
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You are of course correct,but who you think is not understanding the concept may not be the people who you think do not.

I'm, a business owner myself,and if my competitiors want to exclude a segment of the popultion,I have no problem with it.
I love it when my competitors make stupid business decisions.
If my competitors don't want to to serve gays,I see nothing wrong with me handing out fliers to my my establishment right across the street from their's stating that my business establishment does not discriminate.
Hell,I might just buy a building across the the street from them and make a bigger,better business than theirs,if I think I can makea profit out of it.

And if my competitor has to file for bankrupcy due to their own stupid business decisions,don't expect me to shed a tear for them.
But I will send them a gift basket and a generous offer for their eqptment.
Nothing personal,it's just business.
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RetiredUSN said:
After living in Corpus/Ingleside my last 9 months in the Navy, I can see why Texans brag.

I loved the state (except Brownsville).

Texans tend to drive friendly once you clear the big cities. The folk were always very friendly!

It has almost gators than Florida....(something I learned the hard way)

Open country!

Gulf coast!...... Padre Island

You have everything in Texas.

I can see why folks brag.
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Well, I love that area. I used to catch out at Ingleside when I roughnecked for Marine Drilling. I also love Corpus, Padre, Port Isabelle, Port A and Rockport. Fishing paradise. And then there's the Hill Country. Love me some Big Thicket in Eastern Texas too. Love the whole place.

Texas used to lead the pack in "cool." Sure, there were always the yuk-yuk rednecks but in their own way, they were cool too.

Now, there is so much disgruntlement (?) and division. Everybody fits so no nicely in whatever little hate box they seem to want to categorize people in. You dare NOT put an Obama yard sign up. I just don't understand it. Texas used to be so "Live and let live."

I just wanna scream, "YOU LIVE IN TEXAS! QUIT YOUR BITCHIN"!"

I imagine the peer pressure to conform ideologically and politically, down there, is enormous. Seems like the Texas lefties have to hide in the closet. I dunno. It's like there is some competition among way too many Texans to see who can be the biggest wingtard. I dunno. Maybe it's not the majority down there being assholes. They may just be the ones making the most racket. Texas is too big not to have SOME cool people living there. Maybe the cool folks there just prefer to remain quiet. Hard to say.
 
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Captain America said:
Well, I love that area. I used to catch out at Ingleside when I roughnecked for Marine Drilling. I also love Corpus, Padre, Port Isabelle, Port A and Rockport. Fishing paradise. And then there's the Hill Country. Love me some Big Thicket in Eastern Texas too. Love the whole place.

Texas used to lead the pack in "cool." Sure, there were always the yuk-yuk rednecks but in their own way, they were cool too.

Now, there is so much disgruntlement (?) and division. Everybody fits so no nicely in whatever little hate box they seem to want to categorize people in. You dare NOT put an Obama yard sign up. I just don't understand it. Texas used to be so "Live and let live."

I just wanna scream, "YOU LIVE IN TEXAS! QUIT YOUR BITCHIN"!"

I imagine the peer pressure to conform ideologically and politically, down there, is enormous. Seems like the Texas lefties have to hide in the closet. I dunno. It's like there is some competition among way too many Texans to see who can be the biggest wingtard. I dunno. Maybe it's not the majority down there being assholes. They may just be the ones making the most racket. Texas is too big not to have SOME cool people living there. Maybe the cool folks there just prefer to remain quiet. Hard to say.
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Some of the reasons I specifically moved to Texas were ideological and political. However almost any state without a state income tax is good. The only exception might be Tennessee, which is like a third world country. I find how it interesting how Massachusetts and New Hampshire complement each other.
 
Captain America said:
I am a native Texan. Born, raised, educated right there in the Great State of Texas.

Like most Texans, I have a tendency to brag. You know, "Texas is biggest, bluest skies, prettiest girls, God's country, yada, yada, yada." :roll:

After moving away in the service of Uncle Sam, I got a glimpse of the world outside Texas. Now, I find all that braggadocio to be somewhat embarrassing when I hear my Texas friends and family doing it.

I go back to Texas from time to time. I find Texas best when taken in small doses. Although I love travelling the landscape and visiting old friends and family, I'm always glad to get back home from there.

Texas isn't how I remembered it. I watch all my old friends and family, wrapped in the flag and clutching their cross, spreading all kinds of lies and propaganda steeped in hatred for one group or another on their Facebook pages and also on sites like this. Why so much hate from Texas?

I was also surprised to learn that Texas has an alarming number of registered hate groups. Far out numbering any other state in the union.

https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map

What went wrong Texas? Why so much gnashing of the teeth and oozing hatred for others?

Pray for Texas.
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I'm curious. Do you think this is because you changed, or because Texas changed? Texas doesn't seem to have changed much over the years, at least from why I have heard. Is it possible that you moved away, to saner lands, and you got acclimated to that being what you consider normal?

I ask because whenever I go home, I can't believe that people actually willingly live in suburbs or say or act they way that suburbans do. I can't imagine if I grew up in Texas, and then moved away. Texas seems to be like the most concentrated and distilled forms of rural xenophobic, conservative, religious inclinations mixed with heaping doses of racism and misogyny --and they seem so goddamn proud of it. I have friends who love it despite all of that, but I'm not sure that I'd live there or visit there frequently, frankly.
 
Renae said:
That's because we're honest, liberals discriminate quite harshly, but they see their hate as justifiable.
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If you knew yourself half as well as you believe, you'd know the above is a wonderful example of projection. Just because you feel a certain way doesn't mean that others do.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
If you knew yourself half as well as you believe, you'd know the above is a wonderful example of projection. Just because you feel a certain way doesn't mean that others do.
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Both sides discriminate Glen, you guys wrap yourself in PC nonsense to justify it.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
So, in your opinion, is any group that is against SSM or gay adoption automatically a hate group? Any group against immigration, especially illegal immigration....hate group? Any group concerned about Muslim radicals a hate group? Any group against multiculturalism automatically a hate group?
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Not necessarily, but most of these groups don't stop there.

They don't just go "we don't agree with SSM/gay adoption", they go "gay people are sodomites and should all be locked up/killed".

They don't just go "we don't like illegal immigration", they go "kick all the ***** and Muslims out of the country. Or, you know, kill 'em if they keep coming".

They don't just go "Islamic radicals are a problem", they go "put all the Muslims in camps".

See the problem yet?
 
there was no fix it's just that you dont understand the law.
 
FieldTheorist said:
I'm curious. Do you think this is because you changed, or because Texas changed? Texas doesn't seem to have changed much over the years, at least from why I have heard. Is it possible that you moved away, to saner lands, and you got acclimated to that being what you consider normal?

I ask because whenever I go home, I can't believe that people actually willingly live in suburbs or say or act they way that suburbans do. I can't imagine if I grew up in Texas, and then moved away. Texas seems to be like the most concentrated and distilled forms of rural xenophobic, conservative, religious inclinations mixed with heaping doses of racism and misogyny --and they seem so goddamn proud of it. I have friends who love it despite all of that, but I'm not sure that I'd live there or visit there frequently, frankly.
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I think you might be on to something. Being somewhat a traveler in life, adapting and improvising surely must have effected a change in me. Perhaps, long ago, I used to be just like them and I didn't even realize it. It doesn't appear that they realize it either. Why would I be any different?

While some are glad to have discovered Texas, I'm glad I escaped. But it is a nice place to visit. Bluebonnets an Indian Paint Brushes lining the highways... ain't nothin' like it.
 
Captain America said:
I am a native Texan. Born, raised, educated right there in the Great State of Texas.

Like most Texans, I have a tendency to brag. You know, "Texas is biggest, bluest skies, prettiest girls, God's country, yada, yada, yada." :roll:

After moving away in the service of Uncle Sam, I got a glimpse of the world outside Texas. Now, I find all that braggadocio to be somewhat embarrassing when I hear my Texas friends and family doing it.

I go back to Texas from time to time. I find Texas best when taken in small doses. Although I love travelling the landscape and visiting old friends and family, I'm always glad to get back home from there.

Texas isn't how I remembered it. I watch all my old friends and family, wrapped in the flag and clutching their cross, spreading all kinds of lies and propaganda steeped in hatred for one group or another on their Facebook pages and also on sites like this. Why so much hate from Texas?

I was also surprised to learn that Texas has an alarming number of registered hate groups. Far out numbering any other state in the union.

https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map

What went wrong Texas? Why so much gnashing of the teeth and oozing hatred for others?

Pray for Texas.
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Looks like someone already did: http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...ocked-texas-cell-help-unconscious-jailer.html
 
Tigerace117 said:
Not necessarily, but most of these groups don't stop there.

They don't just go "we don't agree with SSM/gay adoption", they go "gay people are sodomites and should all be locked up/killed".

They don't just go "we don't like illegal immigration", they go "kick all the ***** and Muslims out of the country. Or, you know, kill 'em if they keep coming".

They don't just go "Islamic radicals are a problem", they go "put all the Muslims in camps".

See the problem yet?
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First of all, the whole most thing bothers me particularly.

If its most, then it is not all and so you are admitting some should not be mislabeled as hate groups by the SPLC. And while you might be right about some of the others, just to be against something that the left/liberals/progressives promote does not make you a hate group. But one knows just from being here at DP, if you are against SSM, those from the left either lable you religiously delusional and/or a bigot [ sounds kinda hateful doesn't it] if you think BLM is plain stupid because if they really thought about black lives mattering that much they would actually make an attempt to address the topic of major group murdering blacks, that being other blacks. But to say that as a white person I must be called out as a racist bigot [ sounds kinda hateful doesn't it?]. If one thinks Hillary, the admitted law breaker, should be indicted, well, one must be... well, you see the pattern.

So, I see the problem with you just stating that most of these groups go way over the line as being the pure undeniable facts... and yet you not backing that up with anything at all. Now do you see the problem yet?
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
First of all, the whole most thing bothers me particularly.

If its most, then it is not all and so you are admitting some should not be mislabeled as hate groups by the SPLC. And while you might be right about some of the others, just to be against something that the left/liberals/progressives promote does not make you a hate group. But one knows just from being here at DP, if you are against SSM, those from the left either lable you religiously delusional and/or a bigot [ sounds kinda hateful doesn't it] if you think BLM is plain stupid because if they really thought about black lives mattering that much they would actually make an attempt to address the topic of major group murdering blacks, that being other blacks. But to say that as a white person I must be called out as a racist bigot [ sounds kinda hateful doesn't it?]. If one thinks Hillary, the admitted law breaker, should be indicted, well, one must be... well, you see the pattern.

So, I see the problem with you just stating that most of these groups go way over the line as being the pure undeniable facts... and yet you not backing that up with anything at all. Now do you see the problem yet?
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I haven't looked at a list of every borderline group in Texas. "Most" is just my attempt at stating that what these groups do is way over the line without condemning the average random person in Texas.

Personally, I don't see why it's anybody's buisness who gets married. If two people love each other, who the hell am I to tell the, that they can't be together?

Do you want me to cite what some of these groups have said or done? It seems to me your complaint is that you think I'm simply listing right wing groups instead of listing right wing groups that go over the line
 
Glen Contrarian said:
The SPLC doesn't "automatically" label a group that's against SSM or gay adoption or the rest a hate group. They have a set criteria that they use to determine what is and what is not a hate group. From USA Today:

The only organization that formally designates hate groups is the Southern Poverty Law Center, which was founded in 1971 as a civil rights group and has its headquarters in Montgomery, Alabama. In 2013, according to the SPLC, there were more than 900 hate groups nationwide.

The SPLC's criteria for calling out a group have nothing to do with violence or criminal activity. Instead, being labeled a hate group depends on whether the group has "beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics," such as being black, white, Asian and so on.
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What a laugh Glen.

Immutable =unchanging over time or unable to be changed. So, lets ask the question, can someone change from LBGT to being straight if they wanted? It can be done, it is not unchangable. Can one change their opinions on the Holacaust? Not immutable. Can a Jewish person change their religion if the want to? Can a Muslim? There, I think that is sufficient to counter the immutable characteristics claim.

And why is it that SPLC is so hateful of all the people in these groups to go so far as to label them hate groups... sounds rather broad brush to me... does SPLC add itself to its hate group list, I mean to be intellectually honest?
 
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