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Conservatives Waking Up to Racism in America

ttwtt78640 said:
The poverty rate has remained virtually unchanged for nearly 50 years. Try again.
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ecofarm said:
Some explanations of those stats are. I'm not arguing the numbers, I'm arguing your bigoted interpretation of them hidden behind BS such as "black culture" meaning rap music which is funded overwhelmingly by white people.
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I never once mentioned rap music, but it was a nice try at deflection as was clipping the rest of that post you quoted. ;)
 
Henrin said:
Why do people believe that crap? I mean really, how is it possible that there are people out there that don't just roll their eyes when they read or hear it?
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That would be because all reasonable and educated people know it to be true.
 
Palin, the GOP's gift to the Dems

The DNC should send Sen Mccain a big thank you
 
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so this is a no, conservatives are not waking up to racism in America??
 
dimensionallava said:
so this is a no, conservatives are not waking up to racism in America??
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No, but it means that in their language this might go "Those ****ing useless blacks just will NOT shut up with their whining about every goddam thing under the sun!"

That is what papa would say if he were alive today.

I am sure of it.
 
ecofarm said:
How do you explain the percentage of blacks in poverty compared to whites?
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Culture?

I don't see whitie in the hood holding anyone back, but I have seen smart young black kids ostracized for being too white by their young black peers....... I lived it.
 
ecofarm said:
Is your mythical "black culture" inclusive of all blacks and exclusive of other races, as when it actually existed during segregation? Or is this mythical culture just whatever stuff you don't like such as rap music?

Why do blacks have less education on average?
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Charles Barkley pretty much nails how it is on the streets with the black culture of youth/men.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKiVSqNYabQ
 
ecofarm said:
Denying systemic privilege is ignorant and inherently bigoted, as it presumes disparity in class results from inequalities.
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Isn't this backwards? Presuming disparity in class results from inequalities suggests belief in systemic privilege. Or do you mean deficiencies?
 
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ecofarm said:
Denying systemic privilege is ignorant and inherently bigoted, as it presumes disparity in class results from inequalities.
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You've employed the full kafkatrap in this thread.
Guilt by group identity, further guilt by not admitting guilt.

It's a phony intellectual argument.
Also known as "witch trial logic."
 
ecofarm said:
White privilege is about majority (power) privilege, race is incidental. That's why people shouldn't get bent out of shape about it like it's insulting white people. Your ignorance is showing.
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People should be insulted, because you're making gross assumptions about a broad demographic, which you have no possible full knowledge of.
To boot, you provide 0 evidence to back your claim.
 
ecofarm said:
White privilege is about majority (power) privilege, race is incidental. That's why people shouldn't get bent out of shape about it like it's insulting white people. Your ignorance is showing.
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If "white" determines the majority, how is race incidental?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
You've employed the full kafkatrap in this thread.
Guilt by group identity, further guilt by not admitting guilt.

It's a phony intellectual argument.
Also known as "witch trial logic."
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Guilt by group identity? Yes. The majority power, no matter what race, always exercises group privilege over minority powers. This is a matter of logic and not debatable.

Your problem is that you get all "What you sayin' about white people?!?!" as if someone is indicting a race you are proud of. No one is indicting your race, we're just discussing social power dynamics.

So, if you'll stop being personally offended because majority powers exercise that power, you'll begin to understand why and how the majority power leans to its own benefit.

If one fails to grasp this concept then one is, in fact, further guilty of being a ****ing moron.
 
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ecofarm said:
Guilt by group identity? Yes. The majority power, no matter what race, always exercises group privilege over minority powers. This is a matter of logic and not debatable.

Your problem is that you get all "What you sayin' about white people?!?!" as if someone is indicting a race you are proud of. No one is indicting your race, we're just discussing social power dynamics.
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What you're essentially saying is "I've got black friends, therefor I can't be as racist as regular White people."

ecofarm said:
So, if you'll stop being personally offended that majority powers exercise that power, you'll begin to understand why and how the majority power leans to its own benefit.
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Your "majority power" in this instance, in this country is going to be defined as "White people."
With the poor assumption that "White people" are a uniform group and share a uniform bias towards each other.
Categorically false.

ecofarm said:
If one fails to grasp this concept, then one is, in fact, additionally guilty of being a ****ing moron.
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I understand the concept and I reject it totally, first and foremost based on the fact that the base argument is illogical, emotional blackmail.
Guilt by association, further guilt by denying guilt.
Argument is non falsifiable and presented with no evidence.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
What you're essentially saying is "I've got black friends, therefor I can't be as racist as regular White people."
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Who is saying that?

Your "majority power" in this instance, in this country is going to be defined as "White people."
With the poor assumption that "White people" are a uniform group and share a uniform bias towards each other.
Categorically false.
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Overall, there is a bias towards each other. This is sociological fact. Get an education.

I understand the concept and I reject it totally,
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No, you don't understand it. You, instead, claim "we live in utopia and everyone gets treated fairly!!! Look, a poor white and a rich black!!! Proof!!!"

That's idiotic.

first and foremost based on the fact that the base argument is illogical, emotional blackmail.
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Spare us, you poor poor victim.

Guilt by association, further guilt by denying guilt.
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Guilt by majority power, further guilt by failing to grasp that concept.

Argument is non falsifiable and presented with no evidence.
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Your position is childish BS. We do not live in utopia.
 
ecofarm said:
Who is saying that?
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You are.
Your position is nothing but pathetic virtue signaling.
"See, see, I recognize my own guilt, I'm a good person at heart!"


ecofarm said:
Overall, there is a bias towards each other. This is sociological fact. Get an education.
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Sure there are in group biases.
There just isn't necessarily a monolithic, national in group bias for Whites.

If I received the same education as you, I'd be embarrassed.

ecofarm said:
No, you don't understand it. You, instead, claim "we live in utopia and everyone gets treated fairly!!! Look, a poor white and a rich black!!! Proof!!!"

That's idiotic.
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Strawman.


ecofarm said:
Spare us, you poor poor victim.
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Strawman.

ecofarm said:
Your position is childish BS. We do not live in utopia.
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Strawman.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
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So if you are not personally part of the problem, you have no obligation to seek solution? Do you deny the existence of majority (power) privilege? If you deny its existence, you just need to get educated and stop the ignorant denial of sociological concepts.

You're not smarter than every sociology department in the country. Get over yourself. Accept that you don't understand a concept.
 
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ecofarm said:
So if you are not personally part of the problem, you have no obligation to seek solution? Do you deny the existence of majority (power) privilege? If you deny its existence, you just need to get educated and stop the ignorant denial of sociological concepts.
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The problem with defining in group bias based solely on racial lines is that it does not take into account regional distribution of peoples, cultural difference between same race people, environment that said people have developed in, etc.

The "White privilege" arguments often presented are utterly simplistic.
 
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