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Who's killing black people and other inconvenient facts.

Most black on black killings is gang related. Do you honestly think blacks don't care when their friends and family are killed by gangs? But the very nature of it doesn't lend itself toward political activism.
Bingo, there is no gain.

Who do they protest? If the government were financing the Bloods and the Crypts and had a regulatory body and a headquarters there would public protests. But that isn't the way it is. And if you speak out you die. Meanwhile the people who ARE supposed to protect you from such violence look at you with distrust because of your skin color and where you live.

It is a cycle that both the black/poor community and the police perpetuate. Both sides want the other to change. In my personal opinion the duty falls on the police to make the first move. They are the ones with the resources and the command structure to pull it off. You can't just tell a neighborhood of individuals, "Here is what you are doing wrong and here is the list of steps you can start taking to improve things." You CAN do that with an organization that has a command structure and takes orders, like the military, or the police.

Translation: BLM is a convenient political tool to distract from the real issues facing the Black community due to poor schools, poorly conceived and carried out entitlement and welfare programs and the utter decimation of the black family.


Gee which party benefits from those realities being ignored? which party is generally the one that backs the police?

BLM is a tool, it's out of control now, but none the less, a tool.
 
Is it so unreasonable to hold police to a higher standard than criminals?

When we talk on this forum about the injustices of civil asset forfeiture by the government nobody comes out and says, "oh yeah! What about bank robbers and muggers? I don't see anyone protesting them?"

Sorry. I expect more from my police than I do local gang bangers.



Well since the cops kill blacks at about a 1/10 rate of the which blacks kill blacks, I think that standard is being met. Wouldn't you agree?
 
Well since the cops kill blacks at about a 1/10 rate of the which blacks kill blacks, I think that standard is being met. Wouldn't you agree?

heart disease kills more black people too, maybe instead of protesting against racism they should be more focused on maintaining a low sodium diet?
 
Is it so unreasonable to hold police to a higher standard than criminals?

When we talk on this forum about the injustices of civil asset forfeiture by the government nobody comes out and says, "oh yeah! What about bank robbers and muggers? I don't see anyone protesting them?"

Sorry. I expect more from my police than I do local gang bangers.

Yeah, well they certainly ARE held to a higher standard. They are trying to go home alive at the end of their shift. They have a bevy of armchair quarterbacks second guessing their decisions. See the videos last night? Notice the eye in the sky one? Hundreds of people running away from the gunfire. SCORES of cops running right smack for it.

Want their job? You (and I and most others) can't evn IMAGINE the scary **** they endure. Walk in their shoes...
 
Is it so unreasonable to hold police to a higher standard than criminals?

When we talk on this forum about the injustices of civil asset forfeiture by the government nobody comes out and says, "oh yeah! What about bank robbers and muggers? I don't see anyone protesting them?"

Sorry. I expect more from my police than I do local gang bangers.

It is greater. It's at a 18.5x greater standard. And that's just straight up counting everyone and not factoring in justified shootings. How many shootings by police do you think is legitimately wrong? Even through in the questionable ones. Now, how many of the killed police officers were shot in a justifiable manner? I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's probably zero.

So, yeah...it's a pretty good standard they are keeping.
 
Every year, approximately 6,000 blacks are murdered. This is a number greater than white and Hispanic homicide victims combined, even though blacks are only 13 percent of the national population. Blacks are killed at six times the rate of whites and Hispanics combined. In Los Angeles, blacks between the ages of 20 and 24 die at a rate 20 to 30 times the national mean. Who is killing them? Not the police, and not white civilians, but other blacks. The astronomical black death-by-homicide rate is a function of the black crime rate. Black males between the ages of 14 and 17 commit homicide at ten times the rate of white and Hispanic male teens combined. Blacks of all ages commit homicide at eight times the rate of whites and Hispanics combined, and at eleven times the rate of whites alone.....

The number of police officers killed in shootings more than doubled during the first three months of 2016. In fact, officers are at much greater risk from blacks than unarmed blacks are from the police. Over the last decade, an officer’s chance of getting killed by a black has been 18.5 times higher than the chance of an unarmed black getting killed by a cop
The Danger of The ?Black Lives Matter? Movement | American Renaissance
Not what your' hearing from the left,huh?

I noticed how you talk about crime rates of black people as if they are inherently more criminal than white, and it's a well known fact that white people profile black males as scary, dangerous, and criminal. Now if put all this aside, why don't we ever talk about white on white crime? White people are more likely to killed by other white people, and yet we have a bunch of white people acting like they are afraid of black men and ready to talk about black on black crime and the criminality of black people.
 
I noticed how you talk about crime rates of black people as if they are inherently more criminal than white, and it's a well known fact that white people profile black males as scary, dangerous, and criminal. Now if put all this aside, why don't we ever talk about white on white crime? White people are more likely to killed by other white people, and yet we have a bunch of white people acting like they are afraid of black men and ready to talk about black on black crime and the criminality of black people.

because theyre racist
 
The irony is that the police in Dallas last night were running towards the gun fire to protect the protesters............................ while the protesters ran.
 
The irony is that the police in Dallas last night were running towards the gun fire to protect the protesters............................ while the protesters ran.

thats not true plenty of people pulled out their phones too film it
 
Bingo, there is no gain.



Translation: BLM is a convenient political tool to distract from the real issues facing the Black community due to poor schools, poorly conceived and carried out entitlement and welfare programs and the utter decimation of the black family.


Gee which party benefits from those realities being ignored? which party is generally the one that backs the police?

BLM is a tool, it's out of control now, but none the less, a tool.

Absolutely a tool. It may have had humble roots in Oakland, but it's little more than a tool being wielded by powerful groups who hope the social unrest they are paying to create will help them achieve their agenda.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2015/12/fundraising-slow-for-new-black-lives-matter-pacs/

Kenny Murdock, who has run Black Lives Matter PAC LLC since early October, said his committee has yet to see much of a cash inflow but is currently in talks with two billionaire funders. One difficulty, according to Murdock: Wealthy would-be contributors are wary of political blowback for their donations.​

And:

“Major donors are usually not as radical or confrontational as activists most in touch with the pain of oppression,” said Steve Phillips, a Democracy Alliance member and significant contributor to Democratic candidates and causes. He donated to a St. Louis nonprofit group called the Organization for Black Struggle that helped organize 2014 Black Lives Matter-related protests in Ferguson, Missouri, over the police killing of a black teenager named Michael Brown. And Phillips and his wife, Democracy Alliance board member Susan Sandler, are in discussions about funding other groups involved in the movement.​

Read more: Major donors consider funding Black Lives Matter - POLITICO
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thats not true plenty of people pulled out their phones too film it

OK.. a few idiots wanted facebook time. I'll give you that.

The cops still ran towards the gun fire didn't they?

Meanwhile.............5 cops died to protect the same group of people who continued taunting them at the 7-11 after the cops were already shot.
 
OK.. a few idiots wanted facebook time. I'll give you that.

The cops still ran towards the gun fire didn't they?

Meanwhile.............5 cops died to protect the same group of people who continued taunting them at the 7-11 after the cops were already shot.

That makes zero sense....it was a protest? full of women and kids? besides even if one of them had a gun, do you honestly think the police would just let them join in the shootout?

hell if one of the protestors ran towards police with a gun they wouldve probably shot him on sight
 
I noticed how you talk about crime rates of black people as if they are inherently more criminal than white, and it's a well known fact that white people profile black males as scary, dangerous, and criminal. Now if put all this aside, why don't we ever talk about white on white crime? White people are more likely to killed by other white people, and yet we have a bunch of white people acting like they are afraid of black men and ready to talk about black on black crime and the criminality of black people.

According to the Justice Department and the FBI, black people commit more homicides, assaults, and robberies.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

Thus, they come in contact with police with greater frequency. And let's check the assault numbers:

n fact, white violence against blacks is dwarfed by black on white violence. In 2012, blacks committed 560,600 acts of violence against whites (excluding homicide), and whites committed 99,403 acts of violence (excluding homicide) against blacks, according to data from the National Crime Victimization Survey provided to the author. Blacks, in other words, committed 85 percent of the non-homicide interracial crimes of violence between blacks and whites, even though they are less than 13 percent of the population.

Read more at: Charleston Shooting: Obama?s False Race Narrative | National Review Online

So the idea that black men are "scary, dangerous, and criminal" is based in FACT.
 
That makes zero sense....it was a protest? full of women and kids? besides even if one of them had a gun, do you honestly think the police would just let them join in the shootout?

hell if one of the protestors ran towards police with a gun they wouldve probably shot him on sight

Geeeees. I know you are not stupid. The very people who they hate, defended them anyways didn't they...................................... regardless!!!!!!!!

Hence the irony.
 
I noticed how you talk about crime rates of black people as if they are inherently more criminal than white, and it's a well known fact that white people profile black males as scary, dangerous, and criminal. Now if put all this aside, why don't we ever talk about white on white crime? White people are more likely to killed by other white people, and yet we have a bunch of white people acting like they are afraid of black men and ready to talk about black on black crime and the criminality of black people.

Actually, what you just said might not be true.

FBI Crime Statistics have counted Caucasians, Hispanics, and Arabs as "white" for years.

Which would suggest that FBI crime statistics aren't even offering us an accurate account of crime in the first place.
 
Geeeees. I know you are not stupid. The very people who they hate, defended them anyways didn't they...................................... regardless!!!!!!!!

Hence the irony.

So what?? thats what police do, the guy couldve been there to target the protestors instead of the cops, I imagine their reaction wouldve been the same. But since he wasn't, the police weren't protecting anyone but themselves

BLM doesn't hate police either, the BLM protests started after the treyvon martin shooting, george zimmerman was not a cop, BLM is protesting racism in general, in the media, in the court and prison system, in the education system etc, not just the police.

Theyre not anarchists, its not as if they dont want "police" to exist.
 
So what?? thats what police do, the guy couldve been there to target the protestors instead of the cops, I imagine their reaction wouldve been the same. But since he wasn't, the police weren't protecting anyone but themselves

BLM doesn't hate police either, the BLM protests started after the treyvon martin shooting, george zimmerman was not a cop, BLM is protesting racism in general, in the media, in the court and prison system, in the education system etc, not just the police.

Theyre not anarchists, its not as if they dont want "police" to exist.

You have your facts twisted up.
 
According to the Justice Department and the FBI, black people commit more homicides, assaults, and robberies.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

Thus, they come in contact with police with greater frequency. And let's check the assault numbers:



So the idea that black men are "scary, dangerous, and criminal" is based in FACT.

These are FBI statistics. It says white people killed more people than all other races, and white people killed off more white people than other races. It's seems that white people are "scary, dangerous, and criminal."

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6
 
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