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White House Watch: Trump 43%, Clinton 39%

Jesse Booth said:
They don't support Trump because he is in favor of gun conrol, single payer health care, controlling the economy through regulation, and expanding government power.

Supporting Trump would be bowing down to populism and mob rule.
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I get that, but if they don't back him its going to be Hillary and you can rest assured it will be even worse. As far as bowing down, they would be bowing down to the registered Republican voters. I don't see how they can come out on top if they don't back Trump. The party will be finished if the core establishment Republicans ignore the vote.
 
blaxshep said:
I get that, but if they don't back him its going to be Hillary and you can rest assured it will be even worse. As far as bowing down, they would be bowing down to the registered Republican voters. I don't see how they can come out on top if they don't back Trump. The party will be finished if the core establishment Republicans ignore the vote.
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The Party is already on thin ice and will end up going through a reform, no matter what happens with Trump. I know several Republicans that refuse to back Trump no matter what the Party wants, all of them know Trump is a lifelong Liberal and they only back those with a conservative track record, something Trump does not have.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Personally, I think what's interesting in this poll is the number of people who refuse to choose either of the candidates put up by the two parties. Fully 18%, in a highly partisan environment, don't want either. Not since the days of Ross Perot have the numbers for the traditional two parties been so low.

This seems to validate my long held view that this election will see the lowest turn out in voter participation in about a century, if not ever, and it may actually show a decline in actual votes cast over previous election years. This is not a highly contested election like Bush/Gore - this is a highly revolting election, like none seen before.
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I would say you are correct, there is nothing to vote FOR, it's all about preventing the other side.

Were I there, I would try to start a destroyed ballot campaign just to register the anger and discord.
 
Casper said:
The Party is already on thin ice and will end up going through a reform, no matter what happens with Trump. I know several Republicans that refuse to back Trump no matter what the Party wants, all of them know Trump is a lifelong Liberal and they only back those with a conservative track record, something Trump does not have.
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I think it goes much deeper than just conservatism. Capitalism itself is unsustainable within the liberal globalist environment that is unfolding. Every country on the planet is in debt far beyond what they can sustain and it only gets worse every day at the same time Conservatives try to concentrate the wealth to 1% of the planet. I don't see how this can be sustained.
 
the current rich.. the current system does not want trump.. BECAUSE trump will allow inventions and competition and many of the current rich would lose.. but this must come in order to stop the destruction of the nation from not gaining ...
 
blaxshep said:
I think it goes much deeper than just conservatism. Capitalism itself is unsustainable within the liberal globalist environment that is unfolding. Every country on the planet is in debt far beyond what they can sustain and it only gets worse every day at the same time Conservatives try to concentrate the wealth to 1% of the planet. I don't see how this can be sustained.
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It won't be sustained and one of these days we will all have to pay the piper.
 
conservatism .. CONSERVES THE FUTURE,,,,LONG Term profit capitalism conserves the future.. but short term profit capitalism with liberalism destroys a nation... the short term so called conservatives are the bush;s and cruz and big oil.. they are not really conservative and will stop inventions that harm their current money system.. and that is why THEY ARE NOT CONSERVATIVE

TRUMP is the REAL CONSERVATIVE
 
VanceMack said:
Come now. Be honest. Liberals bitch about polls that dont reflect what they believe to be true, just as conservatives do.
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Perhaps but liberals didnt go to bed back in 2012 believing Romney was a slam dunk win.
 
SailaWay said:
conservatism .. CONSERVES THE FUTURE,,,,LONG Term profit capitalism conserves the future.. but short term profit capitalism with liberalism destroys a nation... the short term so called conservatives are the bush;s and cruz and big oil.. they are not really conservative and will stop inventions that harm their current money system.. and that is why THEY ARE NOT CONSERVATIVE

TRUMP is the REAL CONSERVATIVE
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I'm ot quite following you here... can you give more details?
 
SailaWay said:
conservatism .. CONSERVES THE FUTURE,,,,LONG Term profit capitalism conserves the future.. but short term profit capitalism with liberalism destroys a nation... the short term so called conservatives are the bush;s and cruz and big oil.. they are not really conservative and will stop inventions that harm their current money system.. and that is why THEY ARE NOT CONSERVATIVE

TRUMP is the REAL CONSERVATIVE
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:doh Trump is hardly a Conservative.
 
Hicup said:
Linky - White House Watch - Rasmussen Reports™


So wait, CBS, FOX had Hitlery beating Trump by an average of 6 points, and as much as 13 points last week..

Does anyone know how to poll anymore.


Tim-
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What I'm most interested in is the percentage of people they polled who are Democrat, Republican, Independent and Other. That information will go a long way toward indicating if this is a reliable poll or if it's an agenda poll. Unfortunately, it seems to get that info one must pay a fee.

I'm not interested in spending money on that poll.
 
VanceMack said:
Come now. Be honest. Liberals bitch about polls that dont reflect what they believe to be true, just as conservatives do.
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Some, but not nearly as many. Liberals knew that 2010 and 2014 were going to be bad years but hoped otherwise. In 2012 many conservatives were honest to goodness shocked and dismayed when Obama won, and even to this day declare voter fraud as the reason.
 
Jesse Booth said:
They don't support Trump because he is in favor of gun conrol, single payer health care, controlling the economy through regulation, and expanding government power.

Supporting Trump would be bowing down to populism and mob rule.
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I think you are wrong here.

On the one hand, the GOP Elite don't support Trump because his election would guarantee that the sweet deal they have set up in the government and the money that will be at stake from their global corporate bedmates would be extremely threatened.

On the other hand, the rank and file GOP are split between those who eagerly support Trump, those who support Trump because he won the primaries, those who don't want Trump to upset the GOP apple cart and the low-info, useful idiots who have no ability, nor any desire, to look at the facts instead of the sound bites.

It really has nothing to do with the things you mention because...1) regardless what Trump has said in the past, he's not advocating any of those things now, and...2) As a Republican, he would never be able to do the things you mention.

btw, populism doesn't necessarily mean that mob rule will follow. Bottom line, you attempts at spinning scare tactics might affect the feeble-minded, but it won't affect anyone else.
 
Mycroft said:
The GOP Elite don't support Trump because his election would guarantee that the sweet deal they have set up in the government and the money that will be at stake from their global corporate bedmates would be extremely threatened.
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Nailed it, and BTW these are the same people that squashed Obama's campaign promises. You can run on anything you want but once elected you do what big $$$ tells you your going to do. For Hillary it will be business as usual but if Trump wins he's going to be in for a rude awakening.
 
Mycroft said:
What I'm most interested in is the percentage of people they polled who are Democrat, Republican, Independent and Other. That information will go a long way toward indicating if this is a reliable poll or if it's an agenda poll. Unfortunately, it seems to get that info one must pay a fee.

I'm not interested in spending money on that poll.
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In this poll he beat Hillary with Indies by 12 points, and the CBS and FOX polls by 10, so...

Tim-
 
roughdraft274 said:
Some, but not nearly as many. Liberals knew that 2010 and 2014 were going to be bad years but hoped otherwise. In 2012 many conservatives were honest to goodness shocked and dismayed when Obama won, and even to this day declare voter fraud as the reason.
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In 2012 Obama won, well for a number of reasons, but one main reason is that the GOP, like always, put up a candidate that didn't know how to fight back against the media, and narratives. Trump, not so much. They (the media and DEMS) are trying desperately to define Trump as a bigot and hater, but it is only working this time with low information voters. Luckily, low information voters tend to not show up to the polling stations when it counts. Notice hw hitlery has toned down the I am woman hear me roar rhetoric? I think they realize it's not working, and was actually hurting her.


Tim-
 
conservative conserves the future.. TRUMP is this because of allowing inventions and competition that brings progress for a nation

the bushs and cruz are big oil people who will not conserve the future because of not allowing inventions and competition that may harm their money people.. mYCROFT explains it well above all the democrats are not conservatives because their system harms the future . Trump is like teddy roosevelt who stopped monopolies that then brought great progress
 
and remember trump is supported by white males.. and remember what science has said about their intellect
 
Hicup said:
In 2012 Obama won, well for a number of reasons, but one main reason is that the GOP, like always, put up a candidate that didn't know how to fight back against the media, and narratives. Trump, not so much. They (the media and DEMS) are trying desperately to define Trump as a bigot and hater, but it is only working this time with low information voters. Luckily, low information voters tend to not show up to the polling stations when it counts. Notice hw hitlery has toned down the I am woman hear me roar rhetoric? I think they realize it's not working, and was actually hurting her.


Tim-
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What I love is the more they try to demonize him for being a hater the better he does in the polls, and when Hillary tries it it backfires, I bet that's driving them nuts. :lamo
 
Hicup said:
In 2012 Obama won, well for a number of reasons, but one main reason is that the GOP, like always, put up a candidate that didn't know how to fight back against the media, and narratives. Trump, not so much. They (the media and DEMS) are trying desperately to define Trump as a bigot and hater, but it is only working this time with low information voters. Luckily, low information voters tend to not show up to the polling stations when it counts. Notice hw hitlery has toned down the I am woman hear me roar rhetoric? I think they realize it's not working, and was actually hurting her.


Tim-
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That ha nothing to do with my post. I'm talking about the trustworthiness of polls and the silly ****ers who refuse to accept reality on the right, and the very few on the left.
 
Hicup said:
So wait, CBS, FOX had Hitlery beating Trump by an average of 6 points, and as much as 13 points last week..

Does anyone know how to poll anymore.
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Yes. It's Rasmussen that doesn't.

They are notorious for tilting several points towards Republican candidates in the Presidential electons, and getting it wrong.

I suggest you stick to RealClearPolitics, which combines multiple polls, rather than relying on any one single poll.
 
Hicup said:
In this poll he beat Hillary with Indies by 12 points, and the CBS and FOX polls by 10, so...

Tim-
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That still doesn't tell me the political lean of the people who were polled...of the percentages.

For example, if all polls questioned the same percentage of independents, the it wouldn't be surprising of the results were similar. But if one poll questions 10 or 15 percent more Democrats than Republicans, the it's likely the results will be skewed against Trump. Same thing if the percentages are reversed.

That percentage of the people polled by Party affiliation is the info I would like to see...but not enough to pay for it.
 
Visbek said:
Yes. It's Rasmussen that doesn't.

They are notorious for tilting several points towards Republican candidates in the Presidential electons, and getting it wrong.

I suggest you stick to RealClearPolitics, which combines multiple polls, rather than relying on any one single poll.
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I agree that following the RCP average is a good way to go...except when two extreme outliers are included in their average. Those 2 polls...10 or more points in Hillary's favor...skew the average.
 
Mycroft said:
That still doesn't tell me the political lean of the people who were polled...of the percentages.

For example, if all polls questioned the same percentage of independents, the it wouldn't be surprising of the results were similar. But if one poll questions 10 or 15 percent more Democrats than Republicans, the it's likely the results will be skewed against Trump. Same thing if the percentages are reversed.


That percentage of the people polled by Party affiliation is the info I would like to see...but not enough to pay for it.
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This post shows good logic and as you can see from a conservative
 
Mycroft said:
What I'm most interested in is the percentage of people they polled who are Democrat, Republican, Independent and Other. That information will go a long way toward indicating if this is a reliable poll or if it's an agenda poll. Unfortunately, it seems to get that info one must pay a fee.

I'm not interested in spending money on that poll.
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It's a Rasmussen poll and they usually lean conservative and they have a reliable group of conservatives to poll and their polling usually reflects that.
 
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