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President says Islam is a religion of peace

Easier said than done.

Quite true. Would require great discipline, probably more so than what's prepared to be applied. But then, we did give the 'invade and displace' a try, and ran out of discipline doing that as well.

Just a few generations, and the EU nations will fall and become predominantly Muslim, irreversibly altered from their current or former selves. Well, that was self-inflicted. Is the US going to make the same mistake? Certainly seems like it's going down that same path.

I wonder what the reaction to the first state court based on Sharia law will get?
 
Quite true. Would require great discipline, probably more so than what's prepared to be applied. But then, we did give the 'invade and displace' a try, and ran out of discipline doing that as well.

Just a few generations, and the EU nations will fall and become predominantly Muslim, irreversibly altered from their current or former selves. Well, that was self-inflicted. Is the US going to make the same mistake? Certainly seems like it's going down that same path.

I wonder what the reaction to the first state court based on Sharia law will get?

I doubt if you're right about that, but you and I won't be around to find out.
 
I doubt if you're right about that, but you and I won't be around to find out.

Fair enough. Not sure I want to be around for any of that. It's already getting pretty hard to recognize the nation that I grew up in.
Maybe it's good that human life spans are what they are, and perhaps they are what they are for a reason.
 
Fair enough. Not sure I want to be around for any of that. It's already getting pretty hard to recognize the nation that I grew up in.
Maybe it's good that human life spans are what they are, and perhaps they are what they are for a reason.

I'm not so sure we'd recognize the USA of the 19th. century, either.
 
I think most religions come with two messages, one of love, peace and compassion and the other of judgment, punishment and hate. It kind of depends on the readers desire to interpret and focus on what parts they want to try and live by.

There is judgement, punishment, and hate to be found in Islam and in Christianity, to be sure. I'm not so sure about Hinduism and Buddhism. Right off hand, I can't think of anything hateful or judgmental in them, but I really don't know enough about them to be sure.
 
There is judgement, punishment, and hate to be found in Islam and in Christianity, to be sure. I'm not so sure about Hinduism and Buddhism. Right off hand, I can't think of anything hateful or judgmental in them, but I really don't know enough about them to be sure.

I think Hinduism and Buddhism are more about karma, suffering, ignorance, enlightenment etc. More of a symbolic and philosophical approach to existence than stories of morality.
 
I think Hinduism and Buddhism are more about karma, suffering, ignorance, enlightenment etc. More of a symbolic and philosophical approach to existence than stories of morality.

I think you're right.

and I've never heard of a war fought in the name of either of those religions.
 
More of that sweet Muslim peace and love

 
Hell NO !! Muslims killed more than Hitler ,Stalin, Genghis Khan, and Attila the Hun combined , hell they even killed 10 million Muslims , peaceful I think NOT !:roll:

They killed 10 million Muslims?
 
Islam is not a religion of Peace. Neither is Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism or any religion for that matter. Take Christianity for example....

for almost 500 years, they were shoving sticks up each other butt because one preferred Jesus left testicle and some other group preferred the right side. After a century killing, cutting each other heads, European decided, hey it is better to go find brown or non-white prope and shove sticks up their butts, then we formed a secular government and put laws in place that prevented stick insertion.

You take away our laws and our secular government, and Christian will be killing and cutting each other and others heads just as much as any other religion. Add poverty, despair, hopeless and a pinch of heavenly promise of eternal salvation and you will have Christian Taliban running all over the place, bringing death and destruction. How do I know, because it already has happened.

So nope Islam is not a religion of piece but neither is any religion.


Diving Mullah

I think you would find it difficult to find arguments to show that Judaism is inherently violent in the same way that is Islam.
 
Islam has about 109 verses that allow violence against another human being.

How many Muslims have condemned these verses openly on the world stage?

Guess which book the following quotes came from?

"But if [a girl wasn't a virgin on her wedding night] and evidence of the girl's virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her father’s house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against God’s people by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst."

"Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the [holy man] who represents God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged."

"Anyone who blasphemes God’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of [believers]."

"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you."

Decrying Islam while ignoring Christianity's history of cruelty and violence is intellectually bankrupt. The only reason Christianity slowed its violent ways is a century of intellectual thought emphasising reason over faith and the ending of the Church's influence over politics.
 
Guess which book the following quotes came from?

"But if [a girl wasn't a virgin on her wedding night] and evidence of the girl's virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her father’s house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against God’s people by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst."

"Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the [holy man] who represents God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged."

"Anyone who blasphemes God’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of [believers]."

"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you."

Decrying Islam while ignoring Christianity's history of cruelty and violence is intellectually bankrupt. The only reason Christianity slowed its violent ways is a century of intellectual thought emphasising reason over faith and the ending of the Church's influence over politics.

Making excuses by comparison is still making excuses....right?

Your analogy just furthers my argument that a good many Muslims are still stuck in age of Mohammed, and use the Quran to justify their violence and hatred of non believers.

And.... who said that I was ignoring the brutality of Christianity through the ages?
 
Making excuses by comparison is still making excuses....right?

Your analogy just furthers my argument that a good many Muslims are still stuck in age of Mohammed, and use the Quran to justify their violence and hatred of non believers.

And.... who said that I was ignoring the brutality of Christianity through the ages?

No argument there. A good many Muslims are stuck in the age of Mohammed, but this is a culture problem. One the Christian nations had for millennia and solved without naming Christianity the enemy of the world. There is nothing unique about Islam that makes it impossible for Islamic nations to do the same thing. You could just as easily use the Bible or Torah to "justify" anything radical terrorists are doing. This is why it doesn't make any sense to blame Islam for the violence that is produced by the strict repressive culture and regional instability.
 
You're well-educated and very well aware of the world...which means that you DO know how significant it is that in a discussion over whether Islam is a peaceful religion, that Muslims in America are ten times more likely to become doctors than are 'normal' Americans. You're not confused at all. You might be trying to dismiss the point in order to win the debate...but you do get the point.

Major Nidal Hasan was a psychiatrist but that didn't stop him from shooting up his fellow Soldiers at Ft. Hood so I fail to see what point you're making here.
 
Major Nidal Hasan was a psychiatrist but that didn't stop him from shooting up his fellow Soldiers at Ft. Hood so I fail to see what point you're making here.

Oh, I see! Since ONE doctor went shooting at innocent people, ALL the tens of thousands of other doctors must be held in suspicion! Brilliant!
 
Oh, I see! Since ONE doctor went shooting at innocent people, ALL the tens of thousands of other doctors must be held in suspicion! Brilliant!

Nope, just pointing out that being a doctor doesn't preclude that person from holding extremist beliefs. In other words, Muslims make up less than 1% of the population in the U.S. so the reality of the matter is they have no bully pulpit to push any of their more extreme ideology so they'll, for the most part, just keep that stuff to themselves and their families.

Do you think that if Muslims had the majority it would still remain the same? In the U.S. Muslims are concerned about minority rights. In countries where Muslims are the majority there are no minority rights.

That's not to say all Muslims are radical, by any means. All I'm saying is that it's no small minority, among the Muslim community/world, to hold what we would consider radical beliefs. There are still 10 countries that have the death penalty as an option for being a homosexual. Every single one of them are Muslim majority countries.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ere-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/

13 countries where you can get the death penalty for being an atheist, all Muslim majority countries.

There Are 13 Countries Where Atheism Is Punishable by Death - The Wire

So not all, no...just a helluva lot of them.
 
Major Nidal Hasan was a psychiatrist but that didn't stop him from shooting up his fellow Soldiers at Ft. Hood so I fail to see what point you're making here.

All psychiatrists are highly suspect of terrorism now.
 
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