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Strange New World with a Looming Washroom Crisis

joG said:
It is quite possible that he could be a good President, given a chance. The thing is, the Democrats are right. The thought of giving that guy a chance is terrifying. Why? Because he is such a loose cannon and the stakes are so high. Taking that risk would be beyond stupid by a mile.
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Forget about almost 90% of what trumps claims or says is rubbish, or utterly false, not that far from other politicians. Also forget about almost none of his polices are well defined or remotely practical. However one thing that is true, is that be very cautious of a politicians that tell the people..."He look over there, all of your problems and troubles are due that that group of people over there!" Elect me and I will make all your trouble and problems go away!

History has not been very kind to Politicians like that or people who support them! Now it is possible that in the entire human history, Trump will be that ONE Exception. But then again, ODDs are heavily against such anomalies.

Trump is a salesman, he sells his brand name and the "The Emotional uproar that is OK to be racist and a bigot". The classical bait and Switch tactic that what you have is not good. Buy from me this product (Trump for President) and all of your problems will go away and you will be rich and happy!

And as always with Such products there will be huge disappointment and buyer's remorse!

Diving Mullah
 
joG said:
It is quite possible that he could be a good President, given a chance. The thing is, the Democrats are right. The thought of giving that guy a chance is terrifying. Why? Because he is such a loose cannon and the stakes are so high. Taking that risk would be beyond stupid by a mile.
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The question is whether the risk of having Mrs. Clinton as president is even higher.
 
Diving Mullah said:
Forget about almost 90% of what trumps claims or says is rubbish, or utterly false, not that far from other politicians. Also forget about almost none of his polices are well defined or remotely practical. However one thing that is true, is that be very cautious of a politicians that tell the people..."He look over there, all of your problems and troubles are due that that group of people over there!" Elect me and I will make all your trouble and problems go away!

History has not been very kind to Politicians like that or people who support them! Now it is possible that in the entire human history, Trump will be that ONE Exception. But then again, ODDs are heavily against such anomalies.

Trump is a salesman, he sells his brand name and the "The Emotional uproar that is OK to be racist and a bigot". The classical bait and Switch tactic that what you have is not good. Buy from me this product (Trump for President) and all of your problems will go away and you will be rich and happy!

And as always with Such products there will be huge disappointment and buyer's remorse!

Diving Mullah
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So sad. ;)
 
joG said:
This is certainly one of those. It was bad enough and almost too late then, when Obama took office. Now we have lost 8 important years and even regressed.
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So we should keep regressing with Clinton? And go for 4-8 more years of regression? I'm not sold on the whole idea.
 
matchlight said:
The question is whether the risk of having Mrs. Clinton as president is even higher.
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Only to someone with a hate agenda.

Hillary Clinton is a competent, intelligent woman...and will make a decent president.

She also is a politician...and has the defects damn near every politician has.

Donald Trump seems to be competent in some areas...but I think he would make a horrific president.

MY GUESS: If he is allowed to take the nomination...the Republicans will forfeit the presidency and concentrate on trying to retain the House and Senate.

It won't be an easy job with him front and center for most of the time.
 
matchlight said:
The question is whether the risk of having Mrs. Clinton as president is even higher.
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I thought about that. She has more relevant experience. True it is thin for the job, but far better than Trump and she is very probably far more disciplined. But less of a loose cannon. And we can impeach her more easily, if worse comes to worse.
 
Frank Apisa said:
If you really are not terrified by the thought of him becoming president of the United States, you might want to rethink that, "I'm sane" part.
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Anyone here, if he wanted to take the same condescending, personal tone you are taking, could just as easily say that a person who was not terrified by the thought of Mrs. Clinton becoming president of the United States might have reason to question his sanity.
 
PirateMk1 said:
So we should keep regressing with Clinton? And go for 4-8 more years of regression? I'm not sold on the whole idea.
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I suspect, the regression will be less aggravated than the probable damage Trump promises.
 
joG said:
I thought about that. She has more relevant experience. True it is thin for the job, but far better than Trump and she is very probably far more disciplined. But less of a loose cannon. And we can impeach her more easily, if worse comes to worse.
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I don't see why she would be any easier to impeach than Trump. Whether it would be wise to do that, in either case, would depend partly on what running mates they choose.
 
the media and liberals have so demonized him that if he is elected I'd be surprised if he lived to serve out a full term. And I am not even kidding a little bit.

the man has been in the public's awareness for decades. nobody ever called him crazy, nobody ever accused him of being a racist. a few months of running for the GOP nomination, and look what they have turned him into: Hitler II.

they are spineless and shrill and they should never be allowed to run a country, state or local grocery store.
 
matchlight said:
Anyone here, if he wanted to take the same condescending, personal tone you are taking, could just as easily say that a person who was not terrified by the thought of Mrs. Clinton becoming president of the United States might have reason to question his sanity.
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Okay...so do it.
 
matchlight said:
I don't see why she would be any easier to impeach than Trump. Whether it would be wise to do that, in either case, would depend partly on what running mates they choose.
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She could almost be impeached on present knowledge. Of course, I almost expect something bad to creep out of the trumpwork at any moment. But alone the vote for Trump would prove us irresponsibly irrational.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Only to someone with a hate agenda.

Hillary Clinton is a competent, intelligent woman...and will make a decent president.

She also is a politician...and has the defects damn near every politician has.

Donald Trump seems to be competent in some areas...but I think he would make a horrific president.

MY GUESS: If he is allowed to take the nomination...the Republicans will forfeit the presidency and concentrate on trying to retain the House and Senate.

It won't be an easy job with him front and center for most of the time.
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Your condescension is on display again, as you imply that people who disagree with you must be inspired by irrational hatred. That sort of self-righteousness is typical of those who share your political views. Contempt for Mrs. Clinton is thoroughly justified by her actions. She is a Marxist and a damned liar. Anyone who has analyzed the federal statutes that apply to her handling of those emails as Secretary of State knows she almost certainly committed federal felonies, and apparently did it to line her own pockets.
 
matchlight said:
Your condescension is on display again, as you imply that people who disagree with you must be inspired by irrational hatred. That sort of self-righteousness is typical of those who share your political views. Contempt for Mrs. Clinton is thoroughly justified by her actions. She is a Marxist and a damned liar. Anyone who has analyzed the federal statutes that apply to her handling of those emails as Secretary of State knows she almost certainly committed federal felonies, and apparently did it to line her own pockets.
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Your opinion of me is noted.

Your opinion of Hillary Clinton is noted.

Why not take MY condescension...combine it with YOUR condescension...and put it in a place where the sun won't bleach it.
 
joG said:
She could almost be impeached on present knowledge. Of course, I almost expect something bad to creep out of the trumpwork at any moment. But alone the vote for Trump would prove us irresponsibly irrational.
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If what is already known about her misconduct were enough to impeach her, it would also be enough to prevent her from being elected in the first place. Other impeachments, and threats of impeachment--Andrew Johnson, Richard Nixon, B.J. Clinton, Justice Samuel Chase--have involved actions taken once in office that people believed had betrayed the public trust in some way.
 
matchlight said:
Anyone here, if he wanted to take the same condescending, personal tone you are taking, could just as easily say that a person who was not terrified by the thought of Mrs. Clinton becoming president of the United States might have reason to question his sanity.
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That fact that Hillary terrifies those on the right makes her all the more sane and attractive. They need the **** scared out of them. Their behavior lately has been atrocious.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Your opinion of me is noted.

Your opinion of Hillary Clinton is noted.

Why not take MY condescension...combine it with YOUR condescension...and put it in a place where the sun won't bleach it.
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That sort of reliance on lame ad hominem attacks, like the belief in their own moral superiority, is also characteristic of people who share your political views. In almost any political discussion, they quickly and predictably fall back on vulgar personal comments like yours. And it's understandable--those comments suit them well, because they require no thinking. These pseudo-liberals are painfully aware that their lack of knowledge and reasoning ability will soon get them in over their heads in almost any real debate.
 
matchlight said:
That sort of reliance on lame ad hominem attacks, like the belief in their own moral superiority, is also characteristic of people who share your political views. In almost any political discussion, they quickly and predictably fall back on vulgar personal comments like yours. And it's understandable--those comments suit them well, because they require no thinking. These pseudo-liberals are painfully aware that their lack of knowledge and reasoning ability will soon get them in over their heads in almost any real debate.
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If you want to pick on liberals...I have no problem with that, Match. They can be fun to pick on. But you really ought really to find one to pick on, because I am NOT a liberal.

Anyway...your condescending, self-applauding, laughable comments regarding liberals...and me...are noted. Not often I have this much fun in such a short space of time.

(An opinion and suggestion, if I may: You do have problems...and transference is seldom an adequate way of dealing with them. I'd suggest you try something else.)

But, as I alluded to, you are a fun foil.

I love people who lead with their chin.
 
matchlight said:
If what is already known about her misconduct were enough to impeach her, it would also be enough to prevent her from being elected in the first place. Other impeachments, and threats of impeachment--Andrew Johnson, Richard Nixon, B.J. Clinton, Justice Samuel Chase--have involved actions taken once in office that people believed had betrayed the public trust in some way.
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So far nobody has really wanted to get rid of her or him for that matter.
 
joG said:
So far nobody has really wanted to get rid of her or him for that matter.
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Considering what's already known about her handling of those e-mails, the fact so many people would be willing to elect her President of the U.S. is stunning. If you look at the federal felony statutes which apply, it takes willful blindness to believe she didn't violate at least one of them. Many of the people who support Mrs. Clinton must be ignorant of the laws regarding what she did, simply not care that she almost certainly harmed our national security to line her own pockets, and then lied about it--or both. Since supporters of collectivism tend to be witless people without much character, I think "both" is the most likely answer.

Not so long ago, even the suggestion that a prominent official had done the things she has almost certainly done would have kept that person from ever being nominated, let alone elected President. But this is no longer the country of Eisenhower and Kennedy and Reagan. It now contains far too many specimens who may lack Hillary Clinton's knowledge and intelligence, but whose character is about as sleazy as hers. Like the defenders of O.J. Simpson, they fall back on the fact she has not been convicted of any felony. Their standard for their Presidents is as low as their other standards. I doubt most of them would give a damn if she'd been caught shooting down little kids on a playground, with the smoking gun in her hand, as long as they thought that if elected, she would help steer more of other people's money into their grasping paws.
 
I think Hillary Clinton is going to make a fine president...one the nation can be proud of.
 
matchlight said:
Considering what's already known about her handling of those e-mails, the fact so many people would be willing to elect her President of the U.S. is stunning. If you look at the federal felony statutes which apply, it takes willful blindness to believe she didn't violate at least one of them. Many of the people who support Mrs. Clinton must be ignorant of the laws regarding what she did, simply not care that she almost certainly harmed our national security to line her own pockets, and then lied about it--or both. Since supporters of collectivism tend to be witless people without much character, I think "both" is the most likely answer.

Not so long ago, even the suggestion that a prominent official had done the things she has almost certainly done would have kept that person from ever being nominated, let alone elected President. But this is no longer the country of Eisenhower and Kennedy and Reagan. It now contains far too many specimens who may lack Hillary Clinton's knowledge and intelligence, but whose character is about as sleazy as hers. Like the defenders of O.J. Simpson, they fall back on the fact she has not been convicted of any felony. Their standard for their Presidents is as low as their other standards. I doubt most of them would give a damn if she'd been caught shooting down little kids on a playground, with the smoking gun in her hand, as long as they thought that if elected, she would help steer more of other people's money into their grasping paws.
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Not to forget Nixon's wife's cloth coat. ;)
 
joG said:
Not to forget Nixon's wife's cloth coat. ;)
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"My wife, of course, doesn't have a fur coat. But she has a good Republican cloth coat . . . " And the little dog, Checkers, that was given to them is not to be forgotten. I think Mr. Nixon was a man with very high personal principles--he would never have knowingly done anything to harm the country, or to profit financially by doing crooked things. He wasn't raised that way. I think his wife Pat was also a very fine person. But Nixon never should have shown so much loyalty to his assistants. And he knew much better than to undermine the rule of law the way he did by having lists drawn up of his political enemies so they could be retaliated against, etc. That was abuse of his authority, and I think he realized it afterwards, when it was too late for him. Other presidents have thrown a lot of elbows in a nasty way, too, but not to the extent he did. He did it too much, and he got called for the foul.
 
Nixon was a very effective president...and got things done most others would not have been able to do.

His attempts to protect his aides was his downfall...a move that was both virtue and vice.
 
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