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Violently attacking Trump supporters is a clear attack on democracy

RetiredNSmilin said:
Those that burn flags will eventually burn people.

What happened in San Jose was not anti-Trump, it was anti-USA.

You only saw Mexican flags displayed by those doing violence, and the only American flag present was being burned.

It is not time to lock and load just yet, but I can see it getting worse before it gets better.

The Police being told to stand idle and do nothing was an even bigger shame.

If the Police will not protect US citizens from an angry mob of illegals, then someone else surely will.

I see blood being shed before someone snaps and decides it is time rule of law becomes present again.

Right now it is mob rule at these rallies. A mob that HATES the United States and all it stand for.

I took an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies, foreign and domestic. That oath did not become invalid when I left the military.

I WILL defend my country from its enemies.

They have no idea of the festering anger they are forcing to the surface with their actions.

Fortunately, I have renounced violence a very long time ago, and only seek peace in all I do.

Unfortunately, there are others that are not like me.
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Thank you for your service..........
 
Captain Adverse said:
What does this article mean about "NOW" and "Both sides?"

To the best of my knowledge there have been exactly TWO incidents when a Trump supporter has struck out at a protestor. One was the famous "sucker punch," and the other was when a protestor claimed he had been intentionally knocked down at an earlier rally, although the video didn't seem to show it. It is also true that Trump said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...e45b7e-e9f1-11e5-b0fd-073d5930a7b7_story.html

But other than those two incidents mentioned above, Trump supporters have maintained calm and peaceful standards of campaigning.

So nearly ALL of the actual violence we have seen has been started and maintained by anti-Trump protestors.

These people seem to think that the vile rhetoric labeling Trump a "racist, misogynist, xenophobe" is license to physically assault Trump supporters and otherwise disrupt Trump rallies.

The people who should be decrying the violence are those on the anti-Trump side who continue to incite it.

Stop blaming Trump and Trump supporters. People should take personal responsibility for their actions and not try the old "Devil made me do it" excuse.
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Just because you never heard of the instances of violence.......it did not occur.....all it means is you aren't fully informed...........

But you seem to think if the violence is but just 'a few' it somehow justifies the violence....................ALL violence as a part of political discourse.......no matter who is doing whatever to who is unacceptable........... And any attempt to blame one side or the other misses the point............
 
imyoda said:
Violently attacking Trump supporters is a clear attack on democracy
Violently attacking Trump supporters is a clear attack on democracy

“………..now we’re seeing unjustified violence on both sides, and it needs to stop. There are reports of anti-Trump protestors chasing and attacking his supporters in San Jose. Every time I see images of the female Trump supporter covered in eggs while men in masks hurl insults at her, I feel pain over the assault on her and our democracy.

Regardless of how deplorable Trump is, using violence and physical attacks against his supporters is unacceptable and grossly counterproductive. No one can argue that they value the Constitution or the first amendment if they physically attack others for political speech that they disagree with. We’re supposed to fight back with ideas, civil disobedience, voting and political activism……..”

There is no excuse for violence in the political process…….. Both sides of the debate must condemn the violence and demand it stop……..

What are we becoming? Some 3rd world country………
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Wow... A conservative that not only frequents a left wing blog like RawStory, but proudly post their stories here. There is a conclusion that can be drawn from this, and I bet you know exactly what it is. It's 3 words and the last 2 are "my" and "ass".

As for the piece from rawstory, those first 8 words you quoted (which I absolutely know were of the utmost importance for you to include) are nothing more than hogwash... aka, liberal propaganda... Liberal propaganda that a conservative like yourself (lol) loves to subscribe to and proudly post on this forum.

After someone was "grabbed" by the arm at a Trump Rally (Oh the humanity) we've not seen any other horrific displays of violence like that (lmmfao) at Trump rallies. Yet the author of that piece you posted seems to think that compares to the 2 violent riots that have taken place by the left in the last week.

Woman's arm grabbed vs. 2 full scale riots

ROFLMMFAO.

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Grim17 said:
Wow... A conservative that not only frequents a left wing blog like RawStory, but proudly post their stories here. There is a conclusion that can be drawn from this, and I bet you know exactly what it is. It's 3 words and the last 2 are "my" and "ass".

As for the piece from rawstory, those first 8 words you quoted (which I absolutely know were of the utmost importance for you to include) are nothing more than hogwash... aka, liberal propaganda... Liberal propaganda that a conservative like yourself (lol) loves to subscribe to and proudly post on this forum.

After someone was "grabbed" by the arm at a Trump Rally (Oh the humanity) we've not seen any other horrific displays of violence like that (lmmfao) at Trump rallies. Yet the author of that piece you posted seems to think that compares to the 2 violent riots that have taken place by the left in the last week.

Woman's arm grabbed vs. 2 full scale riots

ROFLMMFAO.

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You are a perfect example of what a conservative is NOT..........To judge someone not to be a conservative because of ones views and/or what one reads is not what conservatism is.........what you describe/believe conservatism is means is called "intellectual slavery".........

But I doubt you are capable of understanding the difference........
 
imyoda said:
You are a perfect example of what a conservative is NOT..........To judge someone not to be a conservative because of ones views and/or what one reads is not what conservatism is.........what you describe/believe conservatism is means is called "intellectual slavery".........

But I doubt you are capable of understanding the difference........
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A "conservative" just might recognise it when an article they are reading tries to cover for the outbreak of violence across the country by liberal groups, by trying to FALSELY convince his/her readers that conservatives are also participating in these violent episodes.

How come something that obvious completely escaped you there Mr. Conservative?

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_Sal said:
no I just believe we are way past that point, which is demonstrated by the fact that he actually will win

Trump did not put all of the factors into play which are going to ignite...he is just going to detonate it
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So, let's elect Hillary so all will be well.
 
TobyOne said:
I think it would be badass to be descended from conquistadors. I don't know the history of Mexico but it's clearly ****ed up. Maybe they needed more descendants from Conquistadors.
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Mexico is similar to what the US was in the 60's. Back then, black people were looked down upon by whites and even though they had the rights and opportunity to be as successful as whites, it was only on paper. Back then it was almost unheard of for a black person to head a large business, to be in a management position, or even hold a white collar position in any company. It was the same in politics. It was very rare for a black person to be elected Mayor, governor, or any other prominent government office.

In Mexico it's the light skinned (mostly of spaniard descent) who wield the power over the darker skinned people of mostly indigenous (native/indian) descent. I will say though, in my 25 years of visiting and semi-residing in Mexico, they have made huge strides toward equality in that area. It's really been quite impressive to see first hand.
 
imyoda said:
Just because you never heard of the instances of violence.......it did not occur.....all it means is you aren't fully informed...........

But you seem to think if the violence is but just 'a few' it somehow justifies the violence....................ALL violence as a part of political discourse.......no matter who is doing whatever to who is unacceptable........... And any attempt to blame one side or the other misses the point............
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Instead of acting out in your typical attempt to channel "Yoda," why not provide the proof of those additional acts.

We have plenty of proof of the acts of Trump opponents.

So, trying to equate 1 or possibly 2 incidents of Trump supporters acting with individual stupidity as equivalent to a dozen or more incidents of group violence, rioting, and obstructionism is disingenuous.

I think it is you who miss the point. :shrug:
 
imyoda said:
You are a perfect example of what a conservative is NOT..........To judge someone not to be a conservative because of ones views and/or what one reads is not what conservatism is.........what you describe/believe conservatism is means is called "intellectual slavery".........

But I doubt you are capable of understanding the difference........
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Let's examine that article you posted, shall we?

"... he (Trump) attacked Mexican immigrants as rapists and criminals​

False - He was speaking of "illegal" immigrants from Mexico, not the people from Mexico who enter and reside here legally.

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"... unfortunately it led to many brutal physical attacks against people who have protested him at his rallies."​

False - The few times when a liberal protester would end up in a scuffle after trying to prevent the free expression of speech at a political rally, and then shout obscenities and insults to bystanders when they refused to leave peacefully, neither qualifies as "many", nor does the level of physical contact qualify as "brutal".

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"There are reports of anti-Trump protestors chasing and attacking his supporters in San Jose."​

Reports? Seriously? Like it's hearsay and the violent riot that took place, that was videotaped by dozens of people and seen not only on every local TV station in the bay area, but coast to coast on national news reports and everywhere on YouTube, may or may not have actually happened. LMAO

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"It’s understandable that Trump’s green light for physical violence against protestors at his rallies infuriates his opponents."​

A lie by omission - He gave the green light to "punch the crap" out of any protesters they saw attempting to throw tomatoes (or anything else) at him or anyone else at the rally. He did not direct supporters to simply physically attack protesters.

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"But no one has the right to put their hands on anyone over any reason, including political disagreements. No one has the right to throw bottles or eggs at someone who’s exercising their Constitutional rights.

Trumps opponents simply cannot stoop to his level."​

A lie - Trump has not engaged in any of that activity, nor has he advocated for his supporters to engage in that activity.

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Funny how as a conservative, you didn't pick up on any of those false and misleading passages.


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RetiredNSmilin said:
Next rally some right wing militia group or whomever decides they will provide the protection the police refuse to provide.
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And, of course, the Left and their media allies will instantly attack the right wing milita types with spin that goes something like this: "See! Trump supporters are violent!".
 
Captain Adverse said:
Instead of acting out in your typical attempt to channel "Yoda," why not provide the proof of those additional acts.

We have plenty of proof of the acts of Trump opponents.

So, trying to equate 1 or possibly 2 incidents of Trump supporters acting with individual stupidity as equivalent to a dozen or more incidents of group violence, rioting, and obstructionism is disingenuous.

I think it is you who miss the point. :shrug:
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Why do you continue trying to make this into an issue of who's to blame?

The issue being discussed here is the violence which seems to have become common place in "political discourse" and how unnecessary, dangerous and destructive it can be to our way of life.........
 
Roadvirus said:
And, of course, the Left and their media allies will instantly attack the right wing milita types with spin that goes something like this: "See! Trump supporters are violent!".
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Hey there Bunkie...........take a look at the title and subject of thisd thread and stop tryin g to find blame for something that is wrong and dangerous.......no matter who is doing what to who........
 
Grim17 said:
A "conservative" just might recognise it when an article they are reading tries to cover for the outbreak of violence across the country by liberal groups, by trying to FALSELY convince his/her readers that conservatives are also participating in these violent episodes.

How come something that obvious completely escaped you there Mr. Conservative?

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Yes as I suspected...............you are incapable of understanding................How very sad.........
 
imyoda said:
Why do you continue trying to make this into an issue of who's to blame?

The issue being discussed here is the violence which seems to have become common place in "political discourse" and how unnecessary, dangerous and destructive it can be to our way of life.........
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Yes, the issue is violence in the political arena, something that is certainly not new or unusual. Even in American politics.

Who's to blame IS important because there would be NO VIOLENCE if they were not perpetrating it.

However, it is not "both sides." It is ONE side; the side claiming they represent justice, diversity, freedom...is the one doing all of the rioting, throwing eggs, entering rallies to incite and disrupt, assaulting and battering people.

It is disingenuous to try to blame both sides when only one side is actually responsible.
 
imyoda said:
Yes as I suspected...............you are incapable of understanding................How very sad.........
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Are you saying that the author wasn't trying to falsely convince his/her readers that conservatives are also participating in these violent episodes?

Then I'd like you to explain how as a conservative, you posted from this very short article when it contained 5 statements within it that were either completely false or dishonestly misleading, all at the expense of Trump and his supporters?

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Captain Adverse said:
Yes, the issue is violence in the political arena, something that is certainly not new or unusual. Even in American politics.

Who's to blame IS important because there would be NO VIOLENCE if they were not perpetrating it.

However, it is not "both sides." It is ONE side; the side claiming they represent justice, diversity, freedom...is the one doing all of the rioting, throwing eggs, entering rallies to incite and disrupt, assaulting and battering people.

It is disingenuous to try to blame both sides when only one side is actually responsible.
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I disagree.............and believe we have irreconcilable differences...........if ya catch my drift
 
Grim17 said:
Are you saying that the author wasn't trying to falsely convince his/her readers that conservatives are also participating in these violent episodes?

Then I'd like you to explain how as a conservative, you posted from this very short article when it contained 5 statements within it that were either completely false or dishonestly misleading, all at the expense of Trump and his supporters?

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I am saying just what I said.............and you just seem to be wishing to start a fight............I don't play silly games............Try someone else
 
imyoda said:
Why do you continue trying to make this into an issue of who's to blame?
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If the author of that piece hadn't laid half the blame for the violence on those whom it didn't belong, the issue of blame wouldn't be an issue at all.



The issue being discussed here is the violence which seems to have become common place in "political discourse" and how unnecessary, dangerous and destructive it can be to our way of life.........
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You are correct in every aspect.

But since this "common place" violence in "political discourse" is being perpetrated almost exclusively by one side of the political spectrum (the left), that needs to be acknowledged and both the article, as well as your comments, should be directed toward them instead of including those not participating in that violence.


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Grim17 said:
If the author of that piece hadn't laid half the blame for the violence on those whom it didn't belong, the issue of blame wouldn't be an issue at all.



But since this "common place" violence in "political discourse" is being perpetrated almost exclusively by one side of the political spectrum (the left), that needs to be acknowledged and both the article, as well as your comments, should be directed toward them instead of including those not participating in that violence.


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Yes we agree..........violence has no place in US political discourse.............

You are correct in every aspect.
 
imyoda said:
I am saying just what I said.............and you just seem to be wishing to start a fight............I don't play silly games............Try someone else
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YES or NO... Does the article attempt to mislead readers about who is partaking in the violence?

YES or NO... Does the article contain several false and/or misleading statements that disparage Trump and his supporters?

Those are 2 very simple questions that any honest person, harboring honest beliefs, will answer 100% of the time.
 
Grim17 said:
YES or NO... Does the article attempt to mislead readers about who is partaking in the violence?

YES or NO... Does the article contain several false and/or misleading statements that disparage Trump and his supporters?

Those are 2 very simple questions that any honest person, harboring honest beliefs, will answer 100% of the time.
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NEWS FLASH

Trump is a scumbag......and you know deep down in your heart he is a landslide loser to HRC.............enough said
 
imyoda said:
Captain Adverse said:
It is ONE side; the side claiming they represent justice, diversity, freedom...is the one doing all of the rioting, throwing eggs, entering rallies to incite and disrupt, assaulting and battering people.

It is disingenuous to try to blame both sides when only one side is actually responsible.
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I disagree.............and believe we have irreconcilable differences...........if ya catch my drift
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Here's what baffles me to no end... How can you "disagree" that it is liberal protestors, not conservatives, republicans, or Trump supporters, that are directly responsible for perpetrating the violence and rioting that's taken place in the political arena this campaign season, without the existence of any facts that support such a stance?


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imyoda said:
NEWS FLASH

Trump is a scumbag......and you know deep down in your heart he is a landslide loser to HRC.............enough said
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Just as I expected... You want your views to be taken seriously, but don't have the honesty or integrity to answer questions about the article you yourself are promoting.

That makes you a political hack... and a very dishonest one at that.


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Grim17 said:
Just as I expected... You want your views to be taken seriously, but don't have the honesty or integrity to answer questions about the article you yourself are promoting.

That makes you a political hack... and a very dishonest one at that.


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