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Obama: Some jobs 'are just not going to come back'

Jesse Booth said:
Don't be a *****, Mal! Flip your phone off and join a parody religion I just made up!
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No, stay over there.
What if there is a technodeity? You can't say there isn't. I can't take the chance...
 
Grand Mal said:
No, stay over there.
What if there is a technodeity? You can't say there isn't. I can't take the chance...
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There IS a Technodeity. It is known as 4chan, and it is both overrated and overestimated beyond measure. Embrace the nice, peaceful Technoatheism, or we will beat you up and take your wallet. Through your phone screen.
 
Deuce said:
I don't think electric lightbulbs can really be compared to the information age.
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I think all technology can be compared to any other technology when using its advancement as some excuse to control it.


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Carjosse said:
Exactly, there is no strict definition of Silicon Valley and because of that it is rather hard to figure out demographics.
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I think the original comment meant the people working in Silicone Valley, you know the techies, not the people living in the general area.
 
Carjosse said:
What jobs can be brought back? Most of the jobs that have gone overseas are manufacturing which would just be automated if brought back due to the cost. As for other service type jobs those are never coming back due to advances in communication technology. How would he bring jobs back? It is impossible. Do you not see the advancements in technology?
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Impossible, you cry out. That's the way. Give up. It's not worth even thinking about it. I know why you have this position. You have it because you have been told it by the Democrats. Well, curl up in a ball and look for the doom. It's over, we'll never work again. Personally, I believe that there are many jobs that can come back to the US. Would some of them be automated if they came back? Probably but automated factories here in the US still gives us jobs. There are many jobs that go with an automated factory. While the robots handle a lot of the repetitive tasks there are things they don't do. In addition there are supply chains to those factories. There is transportation from those factories. Here's a big kicker, there are job in building those factories. They don't just appear with the wiggle of a nose.

What about service jobs that have went overseas? We all know that many of our call center calls are answered in Manilla or such places. If companies were charged a tariff for each job they shipped overseas, would those call centers be less expensive here in the US? I know, the first cry now will be those jobs don't pay well. Okay, in my industry, print media, the graphic design, or ad creation if you will... Where do you think that it is done? Do you think it is being done by highly skilled graphic artists in newspaper's building? Not hardly. Many newspaper outsource this to India because of the lower price, higher quality of work, and the twelve hour time difference.

No, you give up, my friend. You decide that there is no way to manufacture in this country. That there will be no jobs here. No point in trying to find a way to make the US competitive in the labor market again. Think about why we lost the labor edge. Did we have less skilled laborers? Why did those manufacturing plants leave this country? Remember when we looked for the Made in USA label on products? Then the price of labor made those items cost more until they went overseas.
 
azgreg said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Valley



So it is in Santa Clara County. It's also in San Mateo County and Alameda County. However it appearas that the largest chunk of it is in Santa Clara County.

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Do you have different information than that? Or are you more interested in playing word games?

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I am more interested in given the fact that most silicone valley jobs are taken by whites why you are so far off in the bushes with irrelevant drivel?
Silicon Valley Firms Are Even Whiter and More Male Than You Thought | Mother Jones
 
Carjosse said:
I was browsing Reddit this morning and this video appeared on my front page.



It is Obama talking about how jobs have been outsourced but automation has been and is increasingly making jobs and many workers obsolete, those jobs will never come back. In a hit against Trump he talks about how it is impossible to bring those jobs back from overseas and from automation. What needs to be done is education to give people the skills they need to succeed for the jobs of the future, not the jobs that have existed in the past. It is very possible that in the future working in a warehouse will require no manual labour at all, just typing away at and monitoring a computer.

I feel that many Trump supporters fail to realize that nothing can be done about lost jobs, technology and globalization have been marching on while they have not. The sooner people are retrained, the pain as these jobs are inevitability lost forever will be decreased.

Even if you disagree with my political commentary, the video definitely shines a light on and gives insight into a new economy. This is part of the reason I changed my degree to one that trains me to design and monitor the data systems that support things like automation.
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This isnt insight. Weve known about it for decades. Its exactly what we capitalists have been complaining about, govt interference making labor too expensive, which leads to replacing humans with robots. Trump may be just as wrong about bringing those jobs back, but Obamanomics is part of what caused them to leave in the first place. Some insight would be him realizing this and then stopping doing it.
 
azgreg said:
You're the one who made the comment about geography. I just asked a question and apparently you were the one confused.
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really? must be another right winger as I made no comment about geography. you are the one that decided silicone valley is a county.
 
TobyOne said:
Some jobs can come back, but not all. If we stop incentivizing companies to go overseas because of overtaxation, some jobs will come back. As will the profits and tax revenue from overseas operations.
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That and allowing duty free imports when our trading partners do not. We can bring manufacturing to come back but we have pay for it. Unfortunately nobody had to pay for losing it.
 
Kurmugeon said:
My wife, daughters and I HAVE retrained!

We have technical degrees from the Community College.

But we won't even be considered for employment, because we are WHITE!

Instead, the jobs are going to Obama Muslim & Mexican Imports!

What part of Blatant Racial Discrimination don't you GET!?

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I'm white, and I've never had a problem getting a job.

What jobs are you going for that are being taken by Muslim and Mexican imports specifically? Grooming horses at a race track? Picking blueberries? Mowing lawns? Cleaning houses?
 
azgreg said:
You sure?



This is you right?



I made no such claim.
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sure ya did. I mentioned silicone valley is most all white and you went off in the woods and started spewing irrelevancies about county demographics. read what the OP posted and you should understand how pointless your comments are.
 
Southern Dad said:
Why is Apple, an American company looking to build its future data center in Ireland and Denmark? That's two billion going overseas. Could it be for tax reasons? 150 jobs per data center doesn't sound like much but you do have the construction labor, too.

Officials in Ireland Approve Apple Data Center Project | Data Center Knowledge
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Well for one it is their EU data centre, so it makes sense to build it in Europe. Secondly, Apple has their headquarters in Ireland for tax reasons so might as well just put them in the same country, simplify things.
 
If Apples headquarters is in Ireland, and their manufacturing base is in China. What makes them an American company. Seems to me they are no longer an American company.


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Kurmugeon said:
My wife, daughters and I HAVE retrained!

We have technical degrees from the Community College.

But we won't even be considered for employment, because we are WHITE!

Instead, the jobs are going to Obama Muslim & Mexican Imports!

What part of Blatant Racial Discrimination don't you GET!?

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There could be a smidgen of truth to this. I have usually between 25 and 35 employees working for me. In say the 22-28 year old range, chances are better that a white person will get the boot from me before anyone of color. I have found that young whites don't want to work as hard, they can't seem to stay off of their phone, or they have some personal drama where they need a day off with zero notice, show up late, want to leave early, etc etc.
a few examples, I caught one young man on his phone and when I got after him he told me "shhh, I'm trying to win concert tickets." Another I had running a core machine and caught him wandering around. His excuse was he was letting the extension cord "rest".
 
Southern Dad said:
Impossible, you cry out. That's the way. Give up. It's not worth even thinking about it. I know why you have this position. You have it because you have been told it by the Democrats. Well, curl up in a ball and look for the doom. It's over, we'll never work again. Personally, I believe that there are many jobs that can come back to the US. Would some of them be automated if they came back? Probably but automated factories here in the US still gives us jobs. There are many jobs that go with an automated factory. While the robots handle a lot of the repetitive tasks there are things they don't do. In addition there are supply chains to those factories. There is transportation from those factories. Here's a big kicker, there are job in building those factories. They don't just appear with the wiggle of a nose.

What about service jobs that have went overseas? We all know that many of our call center calls are answered in Manilla or such places. If companies were charged a tariff for each job they shipped overseas, would those call centers be less expensive here in the US? I know, the first cry now will be those jobs don't pay well. Okay, in my industry, print media, the graphic design, or ad creation if you will... Where do you think that it is done? Do you think it is being done by highly skilled graphic artists in newspaper's building? Not hardly. Many newspaper outsource this to India because of the lower price, higher quality of work, and the twelve hour time difference.

No, you give up, my friend. You decide that there is no way to manufacture in this country. That there will be no jobs here. No point in trying to find a way to make the US competitive in the labor market again. Think about why we lost the labor edge. Did we have less skilled laborers? Why did those manufacturing plants leave this country? Remember when we looked for the Made in USA label on products? Then the price of labor made those items cost more until they went overseas.
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How would you even track how many people they employ in data centres overseas unless you want to track every call leaves the United States. How would you track people using Skype, sharing files on Dropbox or through e-mail? Everything is being automated, what once took 20 people now only takes one, if that, to look at a computer. Supply chains especially are been heavily automated, part of my studies are in supply chain management and they are becoming ever more increasingly automated. Even transportation is being automated at a rapid pace, just a few months ago some trucks drove themselves across Europe. Eventually those jobs will be gone too. You cannot compete with automation. As for construction, that is a one time deal, as well as being a field ripe for automation due to labour costs.
 
Bootlace said:
There could be a smidgen of truth to this. I have usually between 25 and 35 employees working for me. In say the 22-28 year old range, chances are better that a white person will get the boot from me before anyone of color. I have found that young whites don't want to work as hard, they can't seem to stay off of their phone, or they have some personal drama where they need a day off with zero notice, show up late, want to leave early, etc etc.
a few examples, I caught one young man on his phone and when I got after him he told me "shhh, I'm trying to win concert tickets." Another I had running a core machine and caught him wandering around. His excuse was he was letting the extension cord "rest".
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I work in an industry that is all black in Georgia, all Hispanic out in the corn belt, all Asian up in Seattle. It's interesting that over the years traveling I have found exactly the same type of behavior from everyone regardless of race.
 
Aberration said:
If Apples headquarters is in Ireland, and their manufacturing base is in China. What makes them an American company. Seems to me they are no longer an American company.


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Their functional headquarters is Cupertino where all the actual designing and planning takes place and as far the American government is concerned that is their HQ but their actual HQ that has money flowing through it is in Ireland. Even then it goes like this to my understanding: US>Ireland>Netherlands>Ireland>Caymans. Some other assorted countries may be involved.

If you want to make a lot of money become an accountant that specializes in that.
 
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jonny5 said:
This isnt insight. Weve known about it for decades. Its exactly what we capitalists have been complaining about, govt interference making labor too expensive, which leads to replacing humans with robots. Trump may be just as wrong about bringing those jobs back, but Obamanomics is part of what caused them to leave in the first place. Some insight would be him realizing this and then stopping doing it.
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You cannot compete with 2$/hour in another country, and even then they are being automated. A week ago it was reveled that a factory in China was replacing several thousand workers with robots. The economy is heavily globalized now, that is the new reality.
 
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