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Which Child's Restroom Discomfort-Disadvantage Wins/Loses? [W:37]

Fletch said:
And changes in the law should be done by democratic vote not edicts from the Supreme Leader.
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If we went by that, then slavery would still be legal in the US.

And these laws should impact adults first, not 10 year olds. Everything about the presidents action is wrong. Everything.
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No everything done in the states imposing this disgusting discrimination is wrong.. very wrong.
 
PeteEU said:
If we went by that, then slavery would still be legal in the US.
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False. And stupid. There is nothing here even remotely analogous to slavery.



No everything done in the states imposing this disgusting discrimination is wrong.. very wrong.
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Even if correct, it doesn't authorize despotic action by the president. Particularly when his edict addresses an area where no problem exists--the public schools. But I get that you follow an 'ends justify the means' mentality. All leftists do. That is why leftism is totalitarian in the end.
 
it's all gun and games until a mentally ill man who cut his genitals off and got breast implants is waiting in the stall for YOUR daughter, liberals.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1065866991 said:
A public restroom is home to you?
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You might dump in the street, but not the rest of us.
 
Manc Skipper said:
You might dump in the street, but not the rest of us.
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Stupid post as usual. You equate going to the bathroom at home with using a public restroom. Then you spin it like the loser you are.

Nothing new though. Still a loser...
 
Ontologuy said:
Yes, it can be offensive to young girls ..

.. To be presented with nude teen males .. who are their friends .. to whom they aren't attracted .. that might intimidate their boyfriends .. boys who might see them and respond with an erection .. who are religious and believe they are violating God's desire to wait for marriage before viewing so much naked maleness .. etc.

Such is a huge boundary violation of the personal, interpersonal, and social nature to force upon many, many young girls.

And their parents in the great, great majority here in America, don't want that.
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Please move this to the humor section. :lamo :lamo :lamo
 
QuadpolarNutjob said:
it's all gun and games until a mentally ill man who cut his genitals off and got breast implants is waiting in the stall for YOUR daughter, liberals.
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This is the most idiotic thing posted in the thread, congratulations.

BTW, what stops a mentally ill man from doing this now?
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1065868738 said:
Stupid post as usual. You equate going to the bathroom at home with using a public restroom. Then you spin it like the loser you are.

Nothing new though. Still a loser...
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Where you shaving when you said that?
 
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Stop the personal crap, now.
 
PeteEU said:
Screw the laws.. I am talking in principle. So what if there are male and female toilets.. that is not the point. Point is that having a transsexual use the toilet of his/her choice is simply not an issue in Europe, including Germany. The US has a problem with sexuality.. and it should start acting like adults instead of 10 year olds.. :)
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Screw the laws? Yes, that is not untypical of your attitude, when it fits your point of view to argue so.

Also, if you had been following the discussion in Germany, you will find that your statement is wrong Germany. I just saw an article for instance that Berlin, Kreuzberg will be introducing unisex toilets in addition to the ones for boys and girls in public buildings.
 
I imagine that in 50 or 100 years unisex bathrooms will be as normal and commonplace as co-ed schooling is today.

But I rather suspect that it's foolish and counter-productive for both Republicans and Democrats to turn it into some big political issue. What's the point, after all? If you look like a woman and use the women's toilets, who's going to be looking up your skirt to say otherwise? If they felt the need to genuinely contribute to social progress - rather than just kicking up a political ****storm - the Ds could have just quietly said that any new public school constructions or major renovations should include unisex toilets along with male and female. Instead they apparently decided to make this another big, pointless, polarizing issue like God and guns... with the help of their dependable partners the Rs, of course.
 
PeteEU said:
Innocence? You mean a religiously motivated indoctrination where girls are taught they are second class citizens that are so weak that they have to be protected by the strong males and because of this not allowed their own opinions.
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Where they are not sexualized at a young age by a perverted society bent on their objectification.

Do you have daughters, Pete? If not, I'm less than agreeable with your opinion on the matter.
 
WCH said:
Where they are not sexualized at a young age by a perverted society bent on their objectification.

Do you have daughters, Pete? If not, I'm less than agreeable with your opinion on the matter.
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I'm not sure where I found it, possibly somewhere on this forum, but I read an article recently by a mother wondering why in God's holy name virtually every swimming suit she was looking at to get her 5 or 6 year old daughter had to have something to cover a chest which is identical to a boy's. The point is hardly a new one: In his space trilogy - the one set on Venus - C. S. Lewis had his hero expressing concern when the villain visiting the new planet gives its Eve some clothes to wear: He is relieved to find that he was teaching her only vanity, not modesty and through modesty lust. Lewis of course was illustrating his own take on the biblical Eden story, in which nakedness is innocence and clothing is associated the understanding of sin.

An obsessive modesty regarding sexual organs and segregating the two sexes from each other cannot help but draw attention to sex, turning it into a forbidden fruit full of temptation, something that'll show how grown-up you are. Sex is normal and natural of course, and teens are going to be interested and start experimenting in anything short of a fully-fledged puritan society. A matter-of-fact approach to it - educating but not obsessing - is probably a more productive approach than making it mysterious and alluring, and living in denial about what (many/most) kids actually get up to.
 
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Mithrae said:
I'm not sure where I found it, possibly somewhere on this forum, but I read an article recently by a mother wondering why in God's holy name virtually every swimming suit she was looking at to get her 5 or 6 year old daughter had to have something to cover a chest which is identical to a boy's. The point is hardly a new one: In his space trilogy - the one set on Venus - C. S. Lewis had his hero expressing concern when the villain visiting the new planet gives its Eve some clothes to wear: He is relieved to find that he was teaching her only vanity, not modesty and through modesty lust. Lewis of course was illustrating his own take on the biblical Eden story, in which nakedness is innocence and clothing is associated the understanding of sin.

An obsessive modesty regarding sexual organs and segregating the two sexes from each other cannot help but draw attention to sex, turning it into a forbidden fruit full of temptation, something that'll show how grown-up you are. Sex is normal and natural of course, and teens are going to be interested and start experimenting in anything short of a fully-fledged puritan society. A matter-of-fact approach to it - educating but not obsessing - is probably a more productive approach than making it mysterious and alluring, and living in denial about what (many/most) kids actually get up to.
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You went from talking about 5-6 year olds to teens. There's a big difference.

Most kids have seen their parents or siblings naked more times than not it wasn't gratuitous But, that's not the point. Where that evolves into actual sex or sexual contact is the real issue and predators know it.

I'll ask you also...do you have daughters?
 
WCH said:
You went from talking about 5-6 year olds to teens. There's a big difference.

Most kids have seen their parents or siblings naked more times than not it wasn't gratuitous But, that's not the point. Where that evolves into actual sex or sexual contact is the real issue and predators know it.

I'll ask you also...do you have daughters?
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Most teenagers were once even younger kids, and were shaped by their upbringing. If they're brought up to view their own and others' bodies as somehow taboo... well really, folk generally turn out fine anyway I guess. But unisex or choose-your-own-gender bathrooms aren't going to hurt anyone either; certainly not as much as the Democrats' and Republicans' rabid politicizing of the issue will. Shared changing rooms potentially could be an issue, but only because social nudity otherwise is such a big taboo for now.

I don't have any daughters.
 
Mithrae said:
Most teenagers were once even younger kids, and were shaped by their upbringing. If they're brought up to view their own and others' bodies as somehow taboo... well really, folk generally turn out fine anyway I guess. But unisex or choose-your-own-gender bathrooms aren't going to hurt anyone either; certainly not as much as the Democrats' and Republicans' rabid politicizing of the issue will. Shared changing rooms potentially could be an issue, but only because social nudity otherwise is such a big taboo for now.

I don't have any daughters.
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You didn't really address my point but, if you one day have a daughter your opinion about what is moral and proper will llkely be different.
 
WCH said:
Where the freedom of privacy here? and no we don't share at home.
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Freedom of privacy from only one gender of person? And we have this thing called doors. They work well to give people privacy in the restrooms.

You segregate your restrooms at home to guys and gals? That's odd from my experience. We use whichever is closest and unoccupied.
 
WCH said:
You didn't really address my point but, if you one day have a daughter your opinion about what is moral and proper will llkely be different.
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Why do you need a daughter to feel a certain way? And my mother has a few daughters and is the person who taught me that the body is just a body. It's only sexual when someone makes it that way. Just being naked isn't sexual unless the person making the observation wants to apply sexual perceptions to it.
 
WCH said:
Where they are not sexualized at a young age by a perverted society bent on their objectification.

Do you have daughters, Pete? If not, I'm less than agreeable with your opinion on the matter.
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Sexualization happens when you teach kids that nakedness is equivalent to sex or some sort of sexual meaning.
 
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