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Beyond Sustaining Failed Obama Policy & Gender Pandering, what does Hillary Offer?

Re: Beyond Sustaining Failed Obama Policy & Gender Pandering, what does Hillary Offer

Please give three examples of Progressive Agenda Items that Hillary has not openly stated that she supports?

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1. Her war voting record.

2. Was inclined to support then conveniently opposed keystone pipeline.

3. No sign of campaign finance reform in her world, she is probably raking in millions from big business, which I don't find progressive at all.
 
Re: Beyond Sustaining Failed Obama Policy & Gender Pandering, what does Hillary Offer

The Republocrat status quo is not for the People. It's for the 0.1% and their corporations.

I am reminded of the saying that two galaxies billions of light years apart, look really close to each other when viewed from way far off.
 
Re: Beyond Sustaining Failed Obama Policy & Gender Pandering, what does Hillary Offer

Do you believe Trump's gonna do that?

Maybe, not sure what Trump will do. He may simple be revealed as a Republocat Status Quo...

But this thread is focused, and is not about Trump.

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Re: Beyond Sustaining Failed Obama Policy & Gender Pandering, what does Hillary Offer

3. No sign of campaign finance reform in her world, she is probably raking in millions from big business, which I don't find progressive at all.

Apparently, Hillary's taken more corporate donations more so than any other candidate running (or was running) this election cycle.
 
Re: Beyond Sustaining Failed Obama Policy & Gender Pandering, what does Hillary Offer

1. Her war voting record.

2. Was inclined to support then conveniently opposed keystone pipeline.

3. No sign of campaign finance reform in her world, she is probably raking in millions from big business, which I don't find progressive at all.

Is the number of items which Hillary has in common with the Progressive Agenda really out weighed by the number of items which she is opposed to?

Will the differences between Hillary's Agenda and the Progressive Agenda result in "bringing a massive numbers of jobs and middle class prosperity back to America?"

I see the 2016 election, as a common Working-American, emergency, survival level, economic decision.

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Re: Beyond Sustaining Failed Obama Policy & Gender Pandering, what does Hillary Offer

I am reminded of the saying that two galaxies billions of light years apart, look really close to each other when viewed from way far off.

And when focused too closely, things that are close together can appear well separated. Corporate politicians strive for the same ends.
 
Re: Beyond Sustaining Failed Obama Policy & Gender Pandering, what does Hillary Offer

And when focused too closely, things that are close together can appear well separated. Corporate politicians strive for the same ends.

So maybe we should meet in the middle?
 
Re: Beyond Sustaining Failed Obama Policy & Gender Pandering, what does Hillary Offer

Trump states he wants to eliminate a number of Government Agencies and reduce regulations... It is a start.

Many of the Industries which have gone to Korea or China, have done so to avoid tax and regulation costs.

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Yes! We need to get rid of the DEP!
 
Re: Beyond Sustaining Failed Obama Policy & Gender Pandering, what does Hillary Offer

Is the number of items which Hillary has in common with the Progressive Agenda really out weighed by the number of items which she is opposed to?

Will the differences between Hillary's Agenda and the Progressive Agenda result in "bringing a massive numbers of jobs and middle class prosperity back to America?"

I see the 2016 election, as a common Working-American, emergency, survival level, economic decision.

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I have no idea, because I don't know what her actual positions are. She's flip-flopped on so may issues over the years that it's become impossible for me to tell what positions she actually stands for. But I do know she has been pretty consistent on gun control, so I guess that's one of her actual positions.
 
Re: Beyond Sustaining Failed Obama Policy & Gender Pandering, what does Hillary Offer

It is a simple question...

What does Hillary bring to her campaign agenda, other than continuance of proven bad Obama / Progressive Policy, and new Gender Preferences?

Is she anything beyond Progressive-Establishment, and Gender-Victimhood?

Is there any substance at all to the Hillary Campaign?

Are the policies of the Progressive-Establishment and Gender Pandering going to bring massive numbers of jobs and middle class prosperity back to America?

No? Well, then WHY would common, working people vote for her?

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She will keep the SCOTUS from being a vehicle for Social Conservatism.
She, also, is not Donald Trump.

Thats all I got, really. And it's just enough. I genuinely do sympathize with gun owners though, it doesn't look pretty in that regard.
 
Re: Beyond Sustaining Failed Obama Policy & Gender Pandering, what does Hillary Offer

So maybe we should meet in the middle?

I'd rather meet at the truth. Hillary is about as corporate as they come. The things she may do differently will pale in comparison to what she does the same. She won't get big money out of politics, she won't reduce corporate influence in government, she won't end things like the Patriot Act, TSA, HLS, government spying, etc. She won't get us out of the wars either. Pretty much everything that we're doing wrong, she will continue.

So what is so different? There are some things, but most of that is just going to come down to stump speeches and catch phrases. What is she going to dontjays so different?

I admit that globally she'd be less embarrassing than Trump, but to the Republic just as damaging.
 
Re: Beyond Sustaining Failed Obama Policy & Gender Pandering, what does Hillary Offer

It is a simple question...

What does Hillary bring to her campaign agenda, other than continuance of proven bad Obama / Progressive Policy, and new Gender Preferences?

Is she anything beyond Progressive-Establishment, and Gender-Victimhood?

Is there any substance at all to the Hillary Campaign?

Are the policies of the Progressive-Establishment and Gender Pandering going to bring massive numbers of jobs and middle class prosperity back to America?

No? Well, then WHY would common, working people vote for her?

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Hillary presents continuity and stability as we know it, while Trump guarantees chaos. I'm not necessarily the biggest fan of "as we know it," but I like chaos a lot less.
 
Re: Beyond Sustaining Failed Obama Policy & Gender Pandering, what does Hillary Offer

It is a simple question...

What does Hillary bring to her campaign agenda, other than continuance of proven bad Obama / Progressive Policy, and new Gender Preferences?

Is she anything beyond Progressive-Establishment, and Gender-Victimhood?

Is there any substance at all to the Hillary Campaign?

Are the policies of the Progressive-Establishment and Gender Pandering going to bring massive numbers of jobs and middle class prosperity back to America?

No? Well, then WHY would common, working people vote for her?

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Well, seeing as how the oh-so-bad Obama Policy has given us positive private-sector job growth every single month since September 2010 - by far the longest such stretch in all American history -

AND he's gotten unemployment down to 5% -

AND he's gotten us out of two wars, and has (mostly) kept us out of yet more foreign conflicts so a lot fewer of our parents have to bury their children -

AND under Obama we have more Americans covered by health insurance than ever before in all American history -

AND he's cut the deficit by nearly three-quarters -

AND he's done all that even against the greatest level of political opposition faced by any president since the Civil War...

...if Hillary can continue that, that's a great thing indeed! But of course y'all on the Right cannot allow yourselves to give President Obama credit for anything positive, because the moment you do so, you have to go turn in your "conservative card" and suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous idiocy from your former comrades on the Right...all the while never realizing that all you need to do is to take up the arms of common sense and true objectivity and, by opposing, end their attacks on you.
 
Re: Beyond Sustaining Failed Obama Policy & Gender Pandering, what does Hillary Offer

Maybe, not sure what Trump will do. He may simple be revealed as a Republocat Status Quo...

But this thread is focused, and is not about Trump.

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Yes it is since trump would be the alternative. Still waiting for you to show proof of how conservative trump has been............................
 
Re: Beyond Sustaining Failed Obama Policy & Gender Pandering, what does Hillary Offer

I'd rather meet at the truth. Hillary is about as corporate as they come. The things she may do differently will pale in comparison to what she does the same. She won't get big money out of politics, she won't reduce corporate influence in government, she won't end things like the Patriot Act, TSA, HLS, government spying, etc. She won't get us out of the wars either. Pretty much everything that we're doing wrong, she will continue.

So what is so different? There are some things, but most of that is just going to come down to stump speeches and catch phrases. What is she going to dontjays so different?

I admit that globally she'd be less embarrassing than Trump, but to the Republic just as damaging.

So...what, exactly, would she be doing differently from Obama? Remember, she's already tying herself to his policies, and his policies have given us by far the longest stretch of positive private-sector job growth in American history, unemployment's at 5%, the deficit's been cut by three-quarters, and the percentage of Americans not covered by health insurance is lower than at any point in American history. If she continues along the same vein, how exactly is that a bad thing? She can be a hawk, but whether she will actually be anywhere near as hawkish as the Right wants remains to be seen.
 
Re: Beyond Sustaining Failed Obama Policy & Gender Pandering, what does Hillary Offer

Hillary presents continuity and stability as we know it, while Trump guarantees chaos. I'm not necessarily the biggest fan of "as we know it," but I like chaos a lot less.

Bingo, and you are among the majority. It may be that we are truly being offered two evils but trump takes that low to an entirely new level and as such should be rejected by those that care more for the Nation than some political gain. If shared ideals are not a requirement of candidates representing for office then what is the point of having them as a platform to stand on.
 
Re: Beyond Sustaining Failed Obama Policy & Gender Pandering, what does Hillary Offer

Bingo, and you are among the majority. It may be that we are truly being offered two evils but trump takes that low to an entirely new level and as such should be rejected by those that care more for the Nation than some political gain. If shared ideals are not a requirement of candidates representing for office then what is the point of having them as a platform to stand on.

Nearly every action and statement he has put out into the media has been specifically tailored to horrify people in order to make them talk about him. It's too consistent to be accidental. Anybody who thinks that kind of person should be in charge simply must hate their country.
 
Re: Beyond Sustaining Failed Obama Policy & Gender Pandering, what does Hillary Offer

So...what, exactly, would she be doing differently from Obama? Remember, she's already tying herself to his policies, and his policies have given us by far the longest stretch of positive private-sector job growth in American history, unemployment's at 5%, the deficit's been cut by three-quarters, and the percentage of Americans not covered by health insurance is lower than at any point in American history. If she continues along the same vein, how exactly is that a bad thing? She can be a hawk, but whether she will actually be anywhere near as hawkish as the Right wants remains to be seen.

And what did Obama really do that is different from Bush? Obamacare is a sham, it just forced everyone to buy insurance. Job growth had to happen eventually, the economy was broken, what did Obama do to speed that along? Nothing, just waited for the problem to fix itself. Meanwhile funneling more money to his corporate friends.

How is spending power tracking? Economic mobility? Wealth disparity? Yeah....thought so.

So a whole lot of nothing plus Infinity wars and big brother tactics. Go go status quo!!!
 
Re: Beyond Sustaining Failed Obama Policy & Gender Pandering, what does Hillary Offer

Nearly every action and statement he has put out into the media has been specifically tailored to horrify people in order to make them talk about him. It's too consistent to be accidental. Anybody who thinks that kind of person should be in charge simply must hate their country.

100% dead on accurate once again. You are on a roll, now if his fan club would open their eyes for just a second, asking too much I guess.
 
Re: Beyond Sustaining Failed Obama Policy & Gender Pandering, what does Hillary Offer

I'd rather meet at the truth. Hillary is about as corporate as they come. The things she may do differently will pale in comparison to what she does the same. She won't get big money out of politics, she won't reduce corporate influence in government, she won't end things like the Patriot Act, TSA, HLS, government spying, etc. She won't get us out of the wars either. Pretty much everything that we're doing wrong, she will continue.

So what is so different? There are some things, but most of that is just going to come down to stump speeches and catch phrases. What is she going to dontjays so different?

I admit that globally she'd be less embarrassing than Trump, but to the Republic just as damaging.

You can't handle the truth!

Sorry, had to be done...:2razz:
 
Re: Beyond Sustaining Failed Obama Policy & Gender Pandering, what does Hillary Offer

And what did Obama really do that is different from Bush? Obamacare is a sham, it just forced everyone to buy insurance. Job growth had to happen eventually, the economy was broken, what did Obama do to speed that along? Nothing, just waited for the problem to fix itself. Meanwhile funneling more money to his corporate friends.

How is spending power tracking? Economic mobility? Wealth disparity? Yeah....thought so.

So a whole lot of nothing plus Infinity wars and big brother tactics. Go go status quo!!!

What did Obama do differently from Bush? Really? Have you truly paid so little attention?

If Obamacare's a sham, WHY is it working? WHY are health insurance companies forced to use at least 80% of their revenue on little things like, you know, paying for actual health care? WHY do they now have to cover preexisting conditions, when they didn't have to before? WHY do they have to accept everyone, when before they could pick and choose who they wanted to cover?

I'll agree that "job growth had to happen eventually"...BUT never before in all American history has it happened for even close to as long as it has happened now. It's disingenuous to ignore that fact, to pretend that the one in charge deserves zero credit for it.

At least you agree that the economy was broken...and we've since had the most robust recovery of any of the first-world nations that were hard-hit by the Great Recession. But again, you are determined to not give credit to the one in charge, who took charge when our economy was melting down and losing 800K jobs per month.

What did Obama do to speed that along? There was this thing called the "stimulus" - you may have heard of it. Look at the "bikini graph" below, and see what happened starting in March 2009, the month that the oh-so-hated stimulus was passed:

Bikini-Graph-Overall-Feb-2016.jpg

The stimulus was passed in March 2009...and what happened beginning about then? Did the job situation get worse, as the Right was warning all of America would happen? Or did it start getting better?

What's more, remember the bailouts of GM and Chrysler? Yes, Chrysler got sold to Fiat...but they're still operating, still providing hundreds of thousands of good American jobs. And GM? The bailout that took place on June 1st, 2009 wound up costing the taxpayers $11B...but it saved 1.2M jobs at GM...AND it saved all the other jobs that depended upon money spent by GM employees, from restaurants to grocery stores to local housing markets. And remember what the Right wanted to do? They wanted to let it all burn down. Obama didn't let them have their way...and now GM's not only been making record profits, but their biggest market is now CHINA...which means we're getting money back from there, too!

And this is all without discussing getting us out of Iraq and Afghanistan. That SEAL that just died - he was the third American servicemember to die in Iraq...in the past two years. Are you going to claim that's no different from how it was under Bush? And then there's the tectonic social changes when it comes to LGBT rights. And record numbers of illegal immigrants deported. The list goes on and on...but only if you've got guts enough to actually look at information that you personally don't want to believe.

Has everything been perfect under Obama? Of course not. But you really need to learn to be truly objective, to admit that yeah, he DID do a heck of a lot to save this nation's economy. And mark my words that as the decades pass, and as historians look back with the objectivity that the intervening decades will bring, and without the heat of political passion forcing them to decide otherwise, President Obama will be seen as one of our nation's finest presidents. You might not like that...but that will happen.
 
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Re: Beyond Sustaining Failed Obama Policy & Gender Pandering, what does Hillary Offer

Obamacare isn't "working". Well OK, it was a gift to the insurance companies in order to ensure full consumership of their product, but it's done nothing for our system. We still pay more for and have less access to healthcare. Plus there have been many negative fallouts related to insurance and full time/part time positions that bring it into conflict with other support programs. It's not a solution, it was a corporate give away

And what did he do to encourage jobs growth? Corporate bailouts and then just sat around till things got better. With how broken the system was driven to, it was only a matter of time for it to correct. Yes, they could have done something to speed that recovery up, but what? Besides funneling taxpayer money to corporations? :roll: So we paid off rich people and when things finally started to turn around, we claim victory? As if. Years the People suffered, jobless rates climbed, the government tried to play games with numbers to make it look not as bad, but it was bad. Sat around throwing money at rich people and let time take its course.

Got us out of Iraq and Afghanistan? And into every other place imaginable it seems. Is there anyone who likes drone bombing as much as Obama? Maybe the next corporate guy. Big war is big money for government buddies. He has done nothing to get us out of war, it's expanding and continuing. The next guy will likely keep that up too. Those government contractors got to get paid.

We still have the Patriot Act, we still have the NSA sticking its nose into everything it can, we still have the TSA sticking it's hand up our butts as often as possible, HLS, War in Terror and every other government propaganda war ever, still have failing education systems, a crumbling infrastructure, Corporate Capitalism, a shrinking middle class, growing wealth disparity, etc.

So what has he done that's different than Bush? A few things here and there, but the big stuff always remains constant. Big government, big brother, big war, big corporation, big debt politician just like Bush, and Hillary so be no different. She's a Corporate Politician. Bought and paid for.
 
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