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The Left and Feminism

No, but a lot of people didn't like it because the main character seems to be a retread of Rey from the last one. But you're right, the outright waves of hatred were entirely different for Ghostbusters. Some of it is nostalgia, granted, people don't want their cherished childhood memories raped, but honestly, that trailer was just awful, I even did a YouTube review on it and I never do that, but I had to talk about how mind-blowing horrible the whole thing was and it had nothing to do with women, it had nothing to do with nostalgia, it was entirely quality and that trailer had none.

And the international trailer that came out afterwards was arguably worse, if you can believe it.

And I agree with you. At least M. Night Shyamalan can make his trailers seem like the movie will be good.

But wait. You did a YouTube review? You have a YouTube channel?
 
I'm not sure if I lean left or right, it really depends on if I get something caught in one of my shoes before I leave the house.
I have had some weird feminist encounters though over the past several years.

The last job I worked before now, was a Government job (a port authority job) not that that has a lot to do with the story. During this time as a Safety Manager, I had no less than five people I reported to (politics, revolving door, etc.)
The last boss I had there seemed Ok at first. But the longer she was there, the weirder it got with her.
One day she brought in a pamphlet from WWII (maybe WWI but I thought it was WWII) which had details on how to "deal with women employees in the workplace".
Now. I don't mind learning about woman suffrage, women's rights and the movements that have been taken up for them. I do think it should be up to me when and where I learn about this stuff (unless there is a required class or a general discussion at work among a department, not one on one in my office with her looking over my shoulder waiting for me to read this). It was uncomfortable and not because I feel some kind of misogyny guilt, not because I was making more money or working a position instead of a woman working it (said boss was making more than me I am pretty sure and if not, that had nothing to do with me). It was a discomfort at being trapped in a room with someone and kind of being forcibly taught a lesson to for unknown reasons. I thanked her for sharing and handed the pamphlet back and to this day have no idea why that had transpired.

On another site there was a strange movement against fantasy book covers from the earlier days of the genre (most agreed that modern artists try to be more respectful and don't have scantly clad women on their covers so much as they used to). The movement was strange because it suggested things like boycotting libraries until they drove for the covers to be changed on these books or the books removed. A lot of these novels aren't being reprinted so the idea that anyone will go back and change all the covers...it was just maddening.
This branched off into foreign art, comic book art, and even drawing guides which have too many "traditionally sexy nude poses" or some such. I couldn't bare reading it all (pun intended).
One funny bit though: If male superheroes posed like Wonder Woman...
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Interesting example of the sexism card being played in Seattle:



Seattle councilwomen's vote against NBA plan inspires sexist rage - LA Times

So these 5 misguided women make a very unpopular decision and they receive a ton of blacklash. The majority of the criticism is substantive yet they cry sexism over some extreme vulgar comments made by a fringe minority. I'm not surprised.

Instead of arguing over the merits of their decision they make this into a social issue regarding women's rights:



Seattle women: Don’t let hateful voices intimidate you into silence or inaction | The Seattle Times

The irony is that these 5 liberal female city council members (1 of which is an actual Socialist) want to silence those that disagree with them.

How are these 5 liberal females trying to "silence" anybody?
 
Well there's is in fact a argument for it to exist in other places for it around the world, but not in the West, at least not the recent incarnation of feminism.
If the feminist crazies focused their energy on equal rights for women in other parts of the world, they would actually be making a positive difference in the world.
 
How are these 5 liberal females trying to "silence" anybody?

They are trying to silence " misogyny and hateful rhetoric." A clear disregard for the first amendment and freedom of speech.
 
They are trying to silence " misogyny and hateful rhetoric." A clear disregard for the first amendment and freedom of speech.

You didn't answer the question.

Why do you insist on insisting that criticism is an attempt to silence. See my sig, since you clearly have no idea what freedom of speech means.
 
You didn't answer the question.

Why do you insist on insisting that criticism is an attempt to silence. See my sig, since you clearly have no idea what freedom of speech means.

During a mundane town hall meeting a citizen was debating the fact and the council women told him to shut up. These women refuse to talk about the actual issue and claim anyone disagreeing with them are sexist.

The funny thing is many of these women are former legal prosecutors yet they are so sensitive to a few e-mails? Give me a break.

Reminds me of another dog running for President of the United States.... "Oh, Bernie is so sexist" "Trump is so sexist," "Vote for me because I'm a women."
 
If the feminist crazies focused their energy on equal rights for women in other parts of the world, they would actually be making a positive difference in the world.

That would require getting off their asses and out from behind their keyboards and they don't want to do that. They want to feel like they're doing something without actually doing anything.
 
That would require getting off their asses and out from behind their keyboards and they don't want to do that. They want to feel like they're doing something without actually doing anything.
I couldn't agree more.
 
One of the most interesting political divisions within the Democratic party is feminism. I am interested to hear left leaning people's opinion on feminism. It seems like about 40% of democrats identify as feminists.

My problem is, although feminism seems to have little basis in reality, most of the other 60% seem somewhat indifferent towards it. If you fall into either category, why so?

Also, for anyone who isn't a feminist, why do you think feminists can get away with promoting myths such as the gender pay gap and campus rape culture? A bit of me dies inside when any otherwise intelligent person tells me they believe these as fact.

Finally, I have never heard an intelligent argument for why feminism is a legitimate cause. Although doubtful, maybe someone will surprise me.

what is your definition of a feminist?
 
and what is that?

I am left I am a feminist so is my guy...we believe women are equal ... that's a feminist...period
To believe in the equality between the sexes.

And you are a feminist that believes in equality. And that's totally fine.

But not all feminists (specifically 3rd-wave feminists) fit that textbook definition.
 
To believe in the equality between the sexes.

And you are a feminist that believes in equality. And that's totally fine.

But not all feminists (specifically 3rd-wave feminists) fit that textbook definition.

I don't even know what a third wave feminist is?

oh well, guess I can live without knowing....onto a more interesting whiny thread.... :lol:
 
Mine is just the textbook definition of a what a feminist is.

There is no textbook definition of what a feminist is. There is a wide range of really crazy definitions that self-professed definitions give that have no basis in reality.
 
and what is that?

I am left I am a feminist so is my guy...we believe women are equal ... that's a feminist...period

Except that is not what modern third and fourth wave feminists think feminism is. They'll say that's what they believe, but what they do and how they act proves otherwise.
 
I don't even know what a third wave feminist is?

oh well, guess I can live without knowing....onto a more interesting whiny thread.... :lol:
God, I should of responded earlier. **** me.

"Third-wave feminism refers to several diverse strains of feminist activity and study, whose exact boundaries in the history of feminism are a subject of debate, but are generally marked as beginning in the early 1990s and continuing to the present."
 
There is no textbook definition of what a feminist is. There is a wide range of really crazy definitions that self-professed definitions give that have no basis in reality.
Well there is a textbook definition, but most feminists (3rd-wave), deviate from that definition.
 
There is no textbook definition of what a feminist is. There is a wide range of really crazy definitions that self-professed definitions give that have no basis in reality.



noun
1.
the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.
2.
(sometimes initial capital letter) an organized movement for the attainment of such rights for women.


Three seconds.
 
Except that is not what modern third and fourth wave feminists think feminism is. They'll say that's what they believe, but what they do and how they act proves otherwise.

That's not even what second wave feminism was/is.
 
noun
1.
the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.
2.
(sometimes initial capital letter) an organized movement for the attainment of such rights for women.


Three seconds.

Definitions found in a dictionary don't always match real world application. Watch some YouTube videos sometime, go on some feminism sites/forums, and then come back and tell me if you believe that definition is correct.
 
noun
1.
the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.
2.
(sometimes initial capital letter) an organized movement for the attainment of such rights for women.


Three seconds.

Yes, but you then go talk to self-proclaimed feminists and find that they do not follow that definition at all.
 
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