Buchanen Nails it... Ryan Must Step Down

Wiggen · May 11, 2016

SHOOTER said:
what planet do you live on man,RONALD REAGAN would not be conservative enough for today's right wing of the republican party ,so you are for throwing out over ten million voter's votes,man i am a vet and i support the constitution,you might want to get over it,the republican party will be TRUMP's hell it is now.
from one vet to another ,the only moron here is you man.

run don run[/QUOTE

Nobody who is a vet could possibly support this draft dodging son of a bitch.

jimbo · May 11, 2016

Chomsky said:
Well, if Mr. Trump's policy represents the wishes of the controlling voter interest in the party, who's policy does the establishment represent and why?

There own. The reasons are obvious.

The same goes for the Democrat rank and file. They're also fed up with the self serving. Hence the popularity of Sanders.

Chomsky · May 11, 2016

jimbo said:
There own. The reasons are obvious.

The same goes for the Democrat rank and file. They're also fed up with the self serving. Hence the popularity of Sanders.

It was a rhetorical question, but yes it seems we very much agree. On Sanders, too.

jimbo · May 11, 2016

cpwill said:
[emoji38] Paul Ryan is Speaker of the House, third in line for the Presidency, and the most powerful Republican holding office. But you keep trying .

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Power changes. 6 months ago Boehnor was the third most powerful person in the country. Where is he now? 8 months from now, Ryan will most likely not be speaker.

Dragonfly · May 12, 2016

jimbo said:
Power changes. 6 months ago Boehnor was the third most powerful person in the country. Where is he now? 8 months from now, Ryan will most likely not be speaker.

Will that be due to the majority of "The House" shifting back to Democrats, or even if The House remains Rep dominant? IYHO

tres borrachos · May 12, 2016

zimmer said:
Nice try... And you're proving yourself to be dim.

1. Illegal invaders... Most being Mexican.

2. Muslims are responsible for a massive number of terrorist acts in Western countries. We don't get them properly vetted, and we're letting masses in.

Isn't job #1 the protection of the citizens against enemies foreign and domestic?

Shouldn't we find out who is here?

With 94 million unemployed... Shouldn't we take care of our own first? Or do you find it OK that we are funding this illegal invasion?

Proving myself to be "dim" because I'm too smart to support a liar who pretends to be a conservative and has conned the unknowing into believing it too?

tres borrachos · May 12, 2016

SHOOTER said:
what planet do you live on man,RONALD REAGAN would not be conservative enough for today's right wing of the republican party ,so you are for throwing out over ten million voter's votes,man i am a vet and i support the constitution,you might want to get over it,the republican party will be TRUMP's hell it is now.
from one vet to another ,the only moron here is you man.

run don run

If you really supported the Constitution, you wouldn't be a Trump supporter.

SHOOTER · May 12, 2016

cpwill said:
If you supported the Constitution, then Trump would be as anathema to you as any other Democrat. The GOP is bigger than any man or woman - Trumps fan base may be built on a personality cult, but the rest of us meant it when we said we believed that ****.

This isn't about a status as a vet, but if that's how you approach things, I'd like to know what you think of this draft dodger mocking POW's. You know that empty table in every chow hall? He thinks they're losers. How do you feel about him collecting money "for the vets", but then keeping it himself? How do you feel supporting a man who implied on stage that you lacked the moral courage not to murder women and children if he told you to do it? When I signed up, we called people who did **** like that "terrorists", and we killed them.

As a vet, the rush to proto-fascism I've seen in this cycle is the first thing to ever make me think that maybe this country isn't worth the sacrifices we made for her. That's how I see the Trump movement "as a vet". Trump himself? I had my beefs with McCain, but when he was calling to up the Surge, his son was a LCpl infantryman in Iraq. I don't recall hearing about any of the effite, orange-faced, trust-fund-baby's kids ever serving. He's a childish bully, a whiny narcissist, who would have gotten the **** kicked out of him in the Fleet, and then left to stand interior guard the whole deployment.

In the meantime, Buchanan can go back to banging his sippy cup and pitching a fit about How Dare Anyone Not Fall Down Before My God King for the enjoyment of the Believers. No one who opposed Trump is going to be convinced by him, and that's not who he speaks to anyway.

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Paul Ryan’s first major legislative achievement is a total and complete sell-out of the American people masquerading as an appropriations bill.
talking about the AMERICANS that have voted for trump like they are a sub species what a guy,over ten million AMERICANS have voted for TRUMP,and you would throw them under the party buss.
the conservative republican party had done nothing about our border,they pay lip service to the voters and yet wages have gone down,they passed obama's budget with out any effort to stop it,because they are scared they would loose both houses if they stopped the money and shut down the gov.
no the conservatives have done nothing,they created DONALD TRUMP, people like romney and graham would like you would disenfranchise tens of millions of American voters in the name of conservatism.

run don run

cpwill · May 12, 2016

jimbo said:
Power changes. 6 months ago Boehnor was the third most powerful person in the country. Where is he now? 8 months from now, Ryan will most likely not be speaker.

John Boehner was leader of the GOP in the House for just shy of a decade, and Ryan was chosen as Speaker because A) he's one of (if not the) best policy minds in the House who B) combines it with erudition and ability to sell and C) is also the only player who was acceptable to all factions. Alaska Barbie thinks he's going to get tossed from his seat - latest polling has him up 78 to 14.

CanadaJohn · May 12, 2016

I like Pat Buchanan, the younger Buchanan more than the current Buchanan, but I have to say his comments here are idiotic and display the inconsistencies of his viewpoints over the years and his lack of consistent conservative principles in his political life.

Mr. Buchanan wasn't satisfied to follow the Republican primary process and bow to the chosen nominee when he ran his many independent campaigns for the Presidency so why should the House Leader bow to the chosen nominee? After all, at this point in time, Paul Ryan is the leader of the Republican Party, not Donald Trump nor Pat Buchanan. In addition, if the majority Republicans in the House want to bend over for Trump let them mount another coup to get rid of this House Leader as they did with John Boehner.

Ryan is saying and doing what every sane Republican and conservative American is saying and doing at this time. An outsider has managed to usurp the leadership of their party and who knows what damage he will do or where he'll take it if he succeeds. Caution is, in my view, the wise and rational position to take at this point in time. Saddling the House Leader with Trump's nonsense will not bode well for Republicans leading up to the election and after the election.

jimbo · May 12, 2016

Dragonfly said:
Will that be due to the majority of "The House" shifting back to Democrats, or even if The House remains Rep dominant? IYHO

Either way, I can't see Ryan, the Boehnor hand picked successor, being allowed to stick around.

It's the Ryans, and those whut brung him there, that are the problem.

cpwill · May 12, 2016

SHOOTER said:
Paul Ryan’s first major legislative achievement is a total and complete sell-out of the American people masquerading as an appropriations bill.

Math is important. Saving the entitlement programs requires restructuring them in order to make them more sustainable. The people "selling out" the American people are the ones telling you that they don't need to change. Every person retiring today is currently scheduled to outlive their benefits. In a decade or so, we're going to be making decisions like Greece, where we have to pick and choose which old people to screw over, because we don't have money for them anymore. We can avoid that future by making far-sighted and needed changes now, which is what Ryan was and is trying to do. The problem with effecting those changes is that they are easily opposed by demagogues who prey on low information voters and people's fears.

talking about the AMERICANS that have voted for trump like they are a sub species. what a guy,over ten million AMERICANS have voted for TRUMP,and you would throw them under the party buss

A sub species? No - they're all too human. But if all you have is hyperbole and exaggeration, go for it. Other people read these threads, and the more you play into stereotypes, the more you confirm them.

In the meantime, more Republicans have voted against Trump than voted for him. I could equally accuse you (and be equally wrong when I did so) of wanting to throw them under the party bus.

In both cases, however, Argumentum ad Populum remains a fallacy.

the conservative republican party had done nothing about our border

Because they weren't being Conservative - they were being Liberal Republicans on that issue. Conservatives have been fighting for the border for decades.

they pay lip service to the voters and yet wages have gone down

Wages have gone down recently in the Age of Obama because of the early explosion in economy-dragging measures and the imposition of additional burdens on employers. To blame reduced wages on the conservative movement, however, makes about as much sense as blaming NASCAR.

they passed obama's budget with out any effort to stop it

That is not correct - they passed their own budget, which included enough of the President's priorities that it didn't get vetoed. That's how it works in divided government. If you are upset about that, then your beef is not with the GOP in Congress, but rather with James Madison and our Constitutional system of divided powers.

because they are scared they would loose both houses if they stopped the money and shut down the gov.

Because they would have, because that's not what the people want, so they would have voted against them.

So, on the one hand, you excoriate Republicans for following their principles rather than the Will of the People, and on the other you berate them for following the Will of the People rather than sticking to an absolute pure version of their Principles. Pick one.

no the conservatives have done nothing

That is incorrect. Conservatives in congress have stopped Card Check, stopped massive tax increases, stopped cap-and-trade, stopped sweeping new gun control regulation and a national firearms registry, and halted amnesty from becoming law. They have crippled the long-term fiscal solvency of the Obamacare system by protecting the American people from having to bail out the insurance companies who lobbied for it, and kept Medicaid from being universally expanded.

If your complaint is that they have mostly been limited to stopping the abuses of another branch of government, well, again, that's how it works in divided government under our Constitutional system. One branch can check the other. Your beef isn't with the GOP, it's with James Madison. It's also with the American voters, who returned Barack Obama to the White House (what - are you going to throw them under the bus? There are 66 million of them), granting him the ability to check the Congress.

,they created DONALD TRUMP,

No, the Media created Donald Trump.

They picked our candidate for us because they found him more entertaining (and because he acted in a way that confirmed all their stereotypes about Republicans) - and we were dumb enough to fall for it.

people like romney and graham would like you would disenfranchise tens of millions of American voters in the name of conservatism.

:lol: until you are out there angry about conservatives disenfranchising the 66 million people who voted for Barack Obama, save me your fake outrage that someone who won a plurality (which is another way of saying "minority") of votes in a GOP primary might be opposed.

cpwill · May 12, 2016

CanadaJohn said:
I like Pat Buchanan, the younger Buchanan more than the current Buchanan, but I have to say his comments here are idiotic and display the inconsistencies of his viewpoints over the years and his lack of consistent conservative principles in his political life.

Mr. Buchanan wasn't satisfied to follow the Republican primary process and bow to the chosen nominee when he ran his many independent campaigns for the Presidency so why should the House Leader bow to the chosen nominee?

Bingo. All the caterwauling from those who spent the entire primary system threatening a Trump Third Party run about the importance of Party Unity holds about as much water as the people who spent the last few years insisting on ideological purity who now demand that we all fall down and support big government liberalism because Trump does.

After all, at this point in time, Paul Ryan is the leader of the Republican Party, not Donald Trump nor Pat Buchanan. In addition, if the majority Republicans in the House want to bend over for Trump let them mount another coup to get rid of this House Leader as they did with John Boehner.

Ryan is saying and doing what every sane Republican and conservative American is saying and doing at this time. An outsider has managed to usurp the leadership of their party and who knows what damage he will do or where he'll take it if he succeeds. Caution is, in my view, the wise and rational position to take at this point in time. Saddling the House Leader with Trump's nonsense will not bode well for Republicans leading up to the election and after the election.

He's also (and hopefully continues after today) providing leadership and cover for those down-ticket who need a shield to be able to divest themselves from Trump in their district. In addition to being the right thing to do, Ryan's (current) stance hopefully helps prevent a complete down-ticket massacre.

Dragonfly · May 12, 2016

Bottom line here is simple.

Pat Buchanen influences more people when he farts than when he speaks.

Buchanen Nails it... Ryan Must Step Down

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