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Republicans Turn God Upside Down with Their Twisted Version of Religious Liberty

My point wasnt ad hominem. I was showing that the founders were perfectly fine with religious based laws at the state and local level while opposing them at the federal level.

Regardless of what anyone in the eighteenth century said or did, we have a choice and a duty to evolve into something better today. If the need for church state separation is not obvious to everyone, that can only be that they are in a place with no newspapers or TV coverage. Everywhere religion dominates, from Israel to Saudi Arabia to much of the African continent, dysfunction and violence are the result. Religious differences define much of the war and senseless slaughter that happens on this planet and even where overt religiosity is avoided, war seems to invite a spiritual connection to excuse the brutality that is its reality. They are two sides of a coin.

How is it, do you think, that so much religious violence does so little to discourage religion? Religion is the cause AND the cure.
 
Efforts to keep traditional values as part of our society are not exclusively Christian.
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So instead of just admitting you are blatantly wrong, you try to tell me that Tennessee passing legislation to make the Bible the state book is not exclusively Christian.

This is why us Christians have a bad name, because people say the stupidest things possible to avoid how awful Christians have been over history. I find it hilariously ironic that so many Christians are so quick to point out Muslims who use their faith in negative ways are also so quick to excuse their own sins.

It's really simple. While I know you likely will refuse to acknowledge it, Christians are trying to force their beliefs onto others. Allowing gay people the right to marry is not forcing gay beliefs onto you (no one is making YOU be gay married), but banning gay marriage because homosexuality is supposedly a sin IS forcing your beliefs onto others. As is trying to create a federal department to spread Christianity, making the Bible an official state book, banning the teaching of evolution in favor of creationism (as happened decades ago), denying contraception to employees who desire it, etc.

Why don't you take on American Muslims on this point?
Because this thread is about Republicans and Christianity. For goodness sake, pay attention to what the hell is being discussed. You've already committed the logical fallacy of a strawman and now a red herring...do you think you might try just discussing this honestly instead?

Nice try, but you're still on the hook
I'm not on the hook because you said something really stupid. That's on you, not me. You asked how Christians were pushing their beliefs on others and I told you. You tried to bring up a baker, which had nothing to do with anything I said and thus was a strawman.

It was your comment that was stupid, I'm not on the hook for anything.
for being in favor of dismissing Christian concerns out of hand
As I said, you are obviously one of those surrounding the cross in the picture. You think that granting freedom from religion is taking rights away from Christians, which is downright ridiculous.

Yes, they are. It's the only set of concerns they think should count.
I cannot believe anyone would actually believe this nonsense. No one is telling you you have to be gay. They are simply saying you do not get to decide whether or not being gay should grant a person the same legal status as everyone else. Christians telling gay people they cannot be married is forcing religion onto gay people. Gay people saying they should be afforded the same rights under the law as everyone else, regardless of religious doctrine, is not pushing beliefs onto anyone.

It's amazing how completely screwed up the mentality of some Christians in this country has become and, as a Christian myself, it makes me downright embarrassed that so many Christians want to discriminate against others.
If you have a law that prohibits people from conducting their private business as they see fit then, yes, there are rights being infringed upon.
A) I've long said that priests/pastors/ministers/etc should not be required to perform a gay wedding and that when you get into the case of a business serving a homosexual, it becomes a tough situation. But pay attention to what I say next:
B) You don't have a right to a business. A business is a privilege granted to you by the government. And if you wish to own a business, then you must follow the law. Whether it violates your morals can be a valid argument, but it does not violate your rights.

Of course, Christian business owners tend not to worry about their religion when it comes to adulters, thieves, those who are terrible children to their parents, etc (you know, those things in the 10 commandments)....just so long as they aren't getting gay married. In other words, I question sometimes just how concerned with their religious faith they really are when pursuing a profit.
 
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