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Kerry slams Trump's wall, tells grads to prepare for 'borderless world'

MickeyW said:
That works for me!
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I disagree with Trump's domestic policy vehemently, but his foreign policy (besides attacking family members of ISIL) is pretty sound. We need to get out of NATO. We need to stop interventionism and power-projection.

Hillary Clinton would essentially be the next Bush.
 
Without a national border and respect and enforcement of that border, there is no sovereign nation.

I'm not willing to give up the sovereign nation of the USA.
 
eohrnberger said:
Without a national border and respect and enforcement of that border, there is no sovereign nation.

I'm not willing to give up the sovereign nation of the USA.
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Agreed, but nationalism is not an effective answer to the issue of globalism; internationalism is.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Agreed, but nationalism is not an effective answer to the issue of globalism; internationalism is.
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Having a border that's respected and enforced impacts internationalism? I didn't think so. My initial impression is that both can co-exist. What are your impressions?
 
VanceMack said:
Does your home have doors? Do you have locks on your doors? Do you allow anyone that wants to access your home free entry?

Oh...but thats different...right? Your home is like...your home and stuff. There are laws to protect your home.
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Their are laws to protect our borders too but so much for laws.. Guess we don't need them either..
 
RabidAlpaca said:
No, he just pointed out that a physical wall is completely pointless when essentially any person on earth can jump on a plane and enter the US on a tourist visa, or in the case of Mexico just drive through border control.

Do you honestly believe that a physical wall fixes all of our problems and will stop terrorists from entering the US? If not, you agree with him.
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Then why do the Mexicans come across the border in remote areas then? Why don't they just hop a plane or whatever you said? Sounds much easier..
 
Tigerace117 said:
But people got through. People kept getting through. The point of the wall is to keep people from getting through. The walls were unable to keep people from getting through.

There's also this brand new invention called a tunnel.
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Maybe it doesn't stop ALL but it will stop A LOT of them..

Besides who cares? Mexico is paying for it not me..
 
eohrnberger said:
Having a border that's respected and enforced impacts internationalism? I didn't think so. My initial impression is that both can co-exist. What are your impressions?
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That globalism and nationalism should cooperate and form an internationalist world economy, that simultaneously respects national sovereignty but fights against racism, xenophobia, interventionism, and militarism/imperialism.

If you have too much globalism, borders are erased and a tiny elite essentially rules the entire planet.
If you have too much nationalism/regionalism, the world plunges into warfare, chaos, xenophobia, racism, militarism, imperialism, interventionism, authoritarianism, terrorism and genocide.
 
Orly? said:
Maybe it doesn't stop ALL but it will stop A LOT of them..

Besides who cares? Mexico is paying for it not me..
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No, Mexico isn't paying for it. Nobody's paying for it. It's not getting built.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
That globalism and nationalism should cooperate and form an internationalist world economy, that simultaneously respects national sovereignty but fights against racism, xenophobia, interventionism, and militarism/imperialism.

If you have too much globalism, borders are erased and a tiny elite essentially rules the entire planet.
If you have too much nationalism/regionalism, the world plunges into warfare, chaos, xenophobia, racism, militarism, imperialism, interventionism, authoritarianism, terrorism and genocide.
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Fair enough. A balance as seems to be always the case. Too bad that so few realize that a balance in so many things are what's best for all concerned, and instead drive things to the extremes as dictated by their ideology.
 
Orly? said:
Every single last one of them are criminals.. EVERY
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True. Every illegal alien within the borders of a nation has violated federal criminal laws against illegal immigration.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
You know whom else were criminals once upon a time?

Jews.
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Really? I thought no Jew ever broke a single law anywhere in the history of ever.. Hmm...

Or are you not talking about America?
 
eohrnberger said:
Fair enough. A balance as seems to be always the case. Too bad that so few realize that a balance in so many things are what's best for all concerned, and instead drive things to the extremes as dictated by their ideology.
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Trump and his rabid supporters do worry me to a considerable degree (not as much as the Clinton cult, mind you), considering the fact they are championing a worryingly-authoritarian ethno-nationalist who is seizing upon public dissatisfaction and hatred toward minorities and certain political factions (just like Hitler did with Communists and Jews), to elevate himself in the polls. His proposition of hunting down and eliminating terrorists' families is also disconcerting.

Honestly, in my honest opinion, best case scenario he turns out to be an extremist version of Teddy Roosevelt. But considering how activist he wants his government to be (including cataloging all Muslim citizens, using Bush's neo-fascist PATRIOT Act to do so, and using the NSA to spy on people - the libertarian in me abhors everything Donald Trump stands for).

The fact that I still think he would be a better pick than Hillary Clinton should illuminate the implications of her becoming President, and how utterly ****ing antagonistic the US government has become towards its citizenry.

They are practically at war with us.
 
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Orly? said:
Just you wait and see..
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With the experience and disappointment of previous elections, I offer the advice to avoid too deeply emotionally investing in any candidate or party.

Should it turn out that your candidate or party loses, you avoid the emotional turmoil of those results.

Take solace in the belief that even should your party or candidate lose, the US, and it's constitution will survive it.

It's generally emotionally safer to view all of this with a cynical eye, and as a bunch of ****ups bungling about.
 
eohrnberger said:
With the experience and disappointment of previous elections, I offer the advice to avoid too deeply emotionally investing in any candidate or party.

Should it turn out that your candidate or party loses, you avoid the emotional turmoil of those results.

Take solace in the belief that even should your party or candidate lose, the US, and it's constitution will survive it.

It's generally emotionally safer to view all of this with a cynical eye, and as a bunch of ****ups bungling about.
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Yeah.. It's not like I'm going to move to Canada if hillary wins or something..

But I think the Trumpster may be able to pull it off.. He has a chance..
 
Orly? said:
Really? I thought no Jew ever broke a single law anywhere in the history of ever.. Hmm...

Or are you not talking about America?
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...They broke the law by being Jewish in Nazi Germany.
 
Deuce said:
I don't embrace "open borders" but nobody is suggesting "open borders" So, I'll stop running and hiding when you stop making up straw men. I wont hold my breath.
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How do you enforce border security when you KNOW that you have people streaming into your country by the millions, literally?
 
Orly? said:
Their are laws to protect our borders too but so much for laws.. Guess we don't need them either..
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In order for laws to protect them they must be enforced. Those that hate Trumps concept of a wall are usually those working very hard to defend open borders and oppose restrictions on immigration. Or some are people like Deuce that are lost in their own rhetoric.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
...They broke the law by being Jewish in Nazi Germany.
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Hu.. I don't remember nazi Germany ever being America..



You know whom else were criminals once upon a time are ALL criminals every last one right now?

Christians.

Not in America though..
 
Orly? said:
Hu.. I don't remember nazi Germany ever being America..



You know whom else were criminals once upon a time are ALL criminals every last one right now?

Christians.

Not in America though..
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..........................................................................................................................................................Wat?

Do you have a legitimate source to back this claim up?
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Trump and his rabid supporters do worry me to a considerable degree (not as much as the Clinton cult, mind you), considering the fact they are championing a worryingly-authoritarian ethno-nationalist who is seizing upon public dissatisfaction and hatred toward minorities and certain political factions (just like Hitler did with Communists and Jews), to elevate himself in the polls. His proposition of hunting down and eliminating terrorists' families is also disconcerting.
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I've found it hard to discern when Trump is pettifogging and demagoguing, blustering, vs when he's serious. Perhaps he's not been serious yet, but he's going to have to, if he wants to be taken seriously and if he wants to get elected.

Abbazorkzog said:
Honestly, in my honest opinion, best case scenario he turns out to be an extremist version of Teddy Roosevelt. But considering how activist he wants his government to be (including cataloging all Muslim citizens, using Bush's neo-fascist PATRIOT Act to do so, and using the NSA to spy on people - the libertarian in me abhors everything Donald Trump stands for).

The fact that I still think he would be a better pick than Hillary Clinton should illuminate the implications of her becoming President, and how utterly ****ing antagonistic the US government has become towards its citizenry.

They are practically at war with us.
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Yeah, the federal government needs to have it's wings clipped, it's gotten far too big for it's britches, far more than the role it should resign itself to.
 
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