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The Left's Betrayal of Liberalism In the Name of Islam

Tigerace117 said:
So by the same reasoning, you'd be ok with people saying the same things about Christianity. After all, many Christians also don't treat gay people well and mistreat women and those trying to practice other religions.

You see what I'm saying?

There's a double standard which many people apply when it comes to Islam.
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We do say the same things about Christians who mistreat women and gays.

Is the behavior of the crazies in the Westboro Baptist Church being defended by leftists like Islam is? Are those criticizing the nuts out West in the FLDS having slash and burn articles written about them like we see written about those criticizing Islam? Are those people banned from speaking at University like what happened to Hirsi Ali?
 
Henrin said:
You're old enough to remember large breasted Lara Croft?
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It wasn't too long ago that the size of Lara Croft's tits was a big feminist issue.
Even Anita Sarkeesian complained about her tits when they were pixilated.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yes, yes it does. But one thing I've noticed is that other religions get the benefit of the doubt, so to speak, while Islam does not.
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Not true at all. Criticize Islam and the "but what about Christians?" deflection is inevitable. I never see that automatic deflection with any other religion. Islam has far more self appointed defenders than any other religion here (IMO).
 
Let's cut it to the chase: Islam a totalitarian political movement and not much different than fascism. The religious aspect of it is used by these fascists in two ways: (1) to soften the target country with claims of being religious bigots if it resists, (2) to control their frightened populations, just as it was or is done in all religions - from Christianity to Scientology to Global Warming - where dissent is not tolerated, and, if possible, punished.

The proof that Islam is a political movement is that it always seek political power where they have enough mindless followers. The proof that it is totalitarian: when it succeeds, it's forever. Just as with communism and fascism. The only way to take the power they seized from them is to kill them. Just as was the case with fascism.

The reason why they play nice, sweet and cuddly in the U.S. is because they don't have the numbers. Yet.
 
MrPeanut said:
I think it's completely valid to say that there are multiple passages in the Quran that encourage violence in the name of Allah, but it is lazy to assume that Islam is the only real factor when it comes to terrorism. There are plenty of Muslims that don't support terrorism but still follow their interpretation of the Quran. In my opinion, the left is trying to avoid labeling an entire religious group as terrorists so that they can actually look at the strongest causes of these problems without just demonizing Islam completely.
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It's possible, but I believe there is a deeper issue at play here. The Left considers the Right (the Christian White Right) a bigger threat than Islam. And, therein lies the alliance.
 
Normal person - "Hey that guy shot up all those people at Ft Hood in the name of Allah and Islam"

Terrorist apologist - "Yeah, but crusades"

X Factor said:
Not true at all. Criticize Islam and the "but what about Christians?" deflection is inevitable. I never see that automatic deflection with any other religion. Islam has far more self appointed defenders than any other religion here (IMO).
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DamnYankee said:
Leftists hate America, Christians, and anything about America and it's founding. Islam and leftists make natural allies and given that leftists kiss muslim a$$, there's no denying they deeply desire to see America destroyed.
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Hogwash. Liberals view a "better" America in a way that's different than my own - in some cases it's far different - but that is not a desire to see "America destroyed".
 
Bingo.

calamity said:
It's possible, but I believe there is a deeper issue at play here. The Left considers the Right (the Christian White Right) a bigger threat than Islam. And, therein lies the alliance.
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MrPeanut said:
I think it's completely valid to say that there are multiple passages in the Quran that encourage violence in the name of Allah, but it is lazy to assume that Islam is the only real factor when it comes to terrorism. There are plenty of Muslims that don't support terrorism but still follow their interpretation of the Quran. In my opinion, the left is trying to avoid labeling an entire religious group as terrorists so that they can actually look at the strongest causes of these problems without just demonizing Islam completely.
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Of course, this is 100% true, but the people who look at politics and religion with the emotional and intellectual depth of your average third-grader will insist it's because "the left" Hates Christians and Hates America.
 
legalimmigrant said:
Let's cut it to the chase: Islam a totalitarian political movement and not much different than fascism. The religious aspect of it is used by these fascists in two ways: (1) to soften the target country with claims of being religious bigots if it resists, (2) to control their frightened populations, just as it was or is done in all religions - from Christianity to Scientology to Global Warming - where dissent is not tolerated, and, if possible, punished.

The proof that Islam is a political movement is that it always seek political power where they have enough mindless followers. The proof that it is totalitarian: when it succeeds, it's forever. Just as with communism and fascism. The only way to take the power they seized from them is to kill them. Just as was the case with fascism.

The reason why they play nice, sweet and cuddly in the U.S. is because they don't have the numbers. Yet.
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Well, one thing is for sure. There are more examples of this being the case than not.
 
Tigerace117 said:
So by the same reasoning, you'd be ok with people saying the same things about Christianity. After all, many Christians also don't treat gay people well and mistreat women and those trying to practice other religions.

You see what I'm saying?

There's a double standard which many people apply when it comes to Islam.
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....and there's the inevitable deflection I mentioned. :lol:
 
Kobie said:
Of course, this is 100% true, but the people who look at politics and religion with the emotional and intellectual depth of your average third-grader will insist it's because "the left" Hates Christians and Hates America.
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The Left is more fearful of and has more disdain for the Christian White Right than Islamic fundamentalism. And, that is a problem.
 
calamity said:
The Left is more fearful of and has more disdain for the Christian White Right than Islamic fundamentalism. And, that is a problem.
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Despite public anxiety about extremists inspired by Al Qaeda and the Islamic State, the number of violent plots by such individuals has remained very low. Since 9/11, an average of nine American Muslims per year have been involved in an average of six terrorism-related plots against targets in the United States. Most were disrupted, but the 20 plots that were carried out accounted for 50 fatalities over the past 13 and a half years.
In contrast, right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities, according to a study by Arie Perliger, a professor at the United States Military Academy’s Combating Terrorism Center. The toll has increased since the study was released in 2012.
 
TheGoverness said:
It wasn't too long ago that the size of Lara Croft's tits was a big feminist issue.
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It seems like it was forever ago now. :lol:

Even Anita Sarkeesian complained about her tits when they were pixilated.
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I remember her listing a whole bunch of stuff in games that are sexist. Thinking about it now I recall her complaining that women in games sounds like they are in ecstasy and orgasmic bliss when fighting. :lol:
 
calamity said:
Why should there be a "line"? We are talking about a religion, something people follow of their own free will, which mistreats women, gays, and those trying to practice other religions. IMO, there is no "line" when denouncing such barbarism.

Is there a line when denouncing the KKK?
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This is what I don't get. I've had some very anti religious folks (mostly left leaning but not entirely) tell me it's good and right to have my own religious beliefs challenged and even ridiculed and that my religion deserves no respect, but these are often the same folks that get immediately defensive of Islam, even if what's said is objectively true.

By the same token, there are left wingers that are very vocal critics of Islam and those folks are usually very tough to refute.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Despite public anxiety about extremists inspired by Al Qaeda and the Islamic State, the number of violent plots by such individuals has remained very low. Since 9/11, an average of nine American Muslims per year have been involved in an average of six terrorism-related plots against targets in the United States. Most were disrupted, but the 20 plots that were carried out accounted for 50 fatalities over the past 13 and a half years.
In contrast, right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities, according to a study by Arie Perliger, a professor at the United States Military Academy’s Combating Terrorism Center. The toll has increased since the study was released in 2012.
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Limiting it to American Muslims is really being pretty dishonest. Muslims in the Middle East are still Muslims. Besides, downplaying 9/11 like it's no biggie is a non-starter for me.
 
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TobyOne said:
Normal person - "Hey that guy shot up all those people at Ft Hood in the name of Allah and Islam"

Terrorist apologist - "Yeah, but crusades"
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Don't forget the Inquisition.

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Did I call it or what: :D

Tigerace117 said:
Ever heard of the Inquisition?
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No offense intended but this does all get pretty predictable.
 
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X Factor said:
Hogwash. Liberals view a "better" America in a way that's different than my own - in some cases it's far different - but that is not a desire to see "America destroyed".
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Sure it is. Wasn't BO who said he wanted to, "fundamentally change America." HELLO!!! WAKE UP !!! You can't fashion the USA into a socialist sh*thole like Venezuela without first destroying it.
 
TheGoverness said:
Well there's a difference really. Christians against gays and women usually tend to just simply voice their disagreement, usually in the form of a annoying loud protest while standing on the sidewalk. Islamists however, will have no hesitation in stoning both gays and women to death, at least in the ME.
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That's because right now Islam is going though a period of religious revival---similar to the one prior to the Crusades. Of course, during these periods the radicals always do atrocious things. It's part of the nature of them being radicals.
 
In a few hundred years they'll be just fine.



Tigerace117 said:
That's because right now Islam is going though a period of religious revival---similar to the one prior to the Crusades. Of course, during these periods the radicals always do atrocious things. It's part of the nature of them being radicals.
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TobyOne said:
Lol. Are you serious? We're talking about gays literally being thrown off buildings vs. not baking someone a cake. Where do you get your news? Huffington post?
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Ever heard of the Inquisition?

Or certain African terror groups?

Those guys would give ISIS a run for its money.
 
calamity said:
The Left is more fearful of and has more disdain for the Christian White Right than Islamic fundamentalism. And, that is a problem.
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X Factor said:
Limiting it to American Muslims is really being pretty dishonest. Muslims in the Middle East are still Muslims. Besides, downplaying 9/11 like it's no biggie is a non-starter for me.
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Since his context was US liberals, and since most US liberals reside in the US (duh), it would seem to me if a US liberal was worried about being killed, the chances are that a RWer is a greater threat than an Islamist.
 
X Factor said:
Not true at all. Criticize Islam and the "but what about Christians?" deflection is inevitable. I never see that automatic deflection with any other religion. Islam has far more self appointed defenders than any other religion here (IMO).
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Because you've got the psycho "kill every last pig, dog and villager and nuke Saudi Arabia into molten glass while interning every single Muslim in Amercia in detainment camps and blocking all Muslim immigrantion" Waffen SS wannabes.

That's ****ed up **** right there, and you only hear people talking about doing it to Muslims.
 
I've heard of it. But no one really expects it.

After the next terrorist attack I'll be looking forward to your breathless explanation that its just like the inquistion.




Tigerace117 said:
Ever heard of the Inquisition?

Or certain African terror groups?

Those guys would give ISIS a run for its money.
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That sounds very similar to what the Muslims burning american flags are chanting. Just replace Saudi Arabia with America and Christian for Muslim.

Tigerace117 said:
Because you've got the psycho "kill every last pig, dog and villager and nuke Saudi Arabia into molten glass while interning every single Muslim in Amercia in detainment camps and blocking all Muslim immigrantion" Waffen SS wannabes.

That's ****ed up **** right there, and you only hear people talking about doing it to Muslims.
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