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New Study Shows Mass Surveillance Breeds Meekness, Fear and Self-Censorship

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The consequences of mass surveillance... This should come as a surprise to almost no one. The surveillance state is detrimental and needs to be undone as soon as possible. [/FONT][/COLOR]

You mean there's an issue that you and I agree on? You incorrigible right-winger, you.

Re: Political correctness
No. I dont.

The result of political correctness in corporate America is to create a culture where no one has an opinion. It also creates a passive-aggressive mindset where nobody explains their actions.
 
Why? You do not consider the observation of the effect of the politically correct movement as causing the fear and self-censorship?

I'm not sure what you mean.
 
"There was of course no way of knowing whether
you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system,
the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was
even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate
they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live — did
live, from habit that became instinct — in the assumption that every sound you
made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized."
1984 by George Orwell

How was Solzhenitsyn's behavior before the glaring eyes of the Stalinist state?

I always thought the unpleasantness was less due to being watched than to concern of misuse of the collected information. As a matter of fact, I have always found it rather comforting that phone calls are taped in trading rooms. That way you can later see how misunderstandings occurred.
 
I'm not sure what you mean.

It's pretty obvious that that people who utter non-PC compliant ideas or opinions are punished for these transgressions, hence the fear to voice those ideas and opinions, lest those that utter them be shouted down by the excessively PC activists.

We see this at in action at many a college campus when any conservative speaker is trying to deliver their presentation.

Other conservative speakers are shouted down any many other public venues. It'd probably be better if those that don't agree with the presenter do present their positions, opinions and objections via signs rather than shouting down the speakers and ruining the event for everyone. But that would require the protesters to have a modicum of maturity.
 
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Read more @: New Study Shows Mass Surveillance Breeds Meekness, Fear and Self-Censorship

The consequences of mass surveillance... This should come as a surprise to almost no one. The surveillance state is detrimental and needs to be undone as soon as possible. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Well yeah - isn't that the point behind mass surveillance? To dissuade and discourage participation just by 'being there'.

I read an article years ago about authors whom have stopped using the Internet for research for fear that they'd be spied on somehow, trip some sort of censorship flag, and bring scrutiny unnecessarily. Which means that more authors are going to be less prone to go deep content wise.

A few weeks ago I ended up sitting down with two teens in the college library to help them with research on 'child pornography' for a research paper they and to write (course related studies). They were fearful of looking into such a thing and their research being misinterpreted as actually looking for pornographic material. And more so - they were afraid they'd stumble into said pornographic material.
 
It's pretty obvious that that people who utter non-PC compliant ideas or opinions are punished for these transgressions, hence the fear to voice those ideas and opinions, lest those that utter them be shouted down by the excessively PC activists.

We see this at in action at many a college campus when any conservative speaker is trying to deliver their presentation.

Other conservative speakers are shouted down any many other public venues. It'd probably be better if those that don't agree with the presenter do present their positions, opinions and objections via signs rather than shouting down the speakers and ruining the event for everyone. But that would require the protesters to have a modicum of maturity.

You can't bring up kids the way many now seem to be and realistically expect them to be well brought up.
 
Evidence? What evidence?

Oh come on now. You are claiming blindness to it?

Yeah, political correctness in small doses is probably OK as it promotes consideration for your fellow man, but the current political correctness culture have over shot the mark by far, by very, very far.

Rather than even taking a chance to be subject to the wrath of the excessively politically correct storm troopers, best to not say anything, or so it seems. There are those who forge ahead regardless.


These claims that the university is all about an honest exchange of different views seems only apply to leftist views, so it's a total line of bull****. Conservative speakers and conservative ideas need not apply.

I'm sure that are a lot of conservative speakers who have just stopped trying, stopped presenting on campus anymore, so self-censorship.

In addition, private individuals are surely unable to escape this same oppression and coercion. It's far more likely that the same is happening in everyday life to everyday people, and frankly, it's rather tyrannical of the leftists and the excessive PC activists to force others to comply with their ideology. Where have all the 'need my safe zone' idiots on campus come from? This same stupidity of political correctness. What happened to 'I disagree with you but will fight for you to have the right to say that'? Now it's I'll fight you to have the right to say anything I disagree with.

Between the two, government mass surveillance and excessive politically correctness, I'd say that the excessive PC is far more dangerous to society in general and individual liberties and freedom in particular.

Are you still of the position that none of this exists?
 
Oh come on now. You are claiming blindness to it?

Yeah, political correctness in small doses is probably OK as it promotes consideration for your fellow man, but the current political correctness culture have over shot the mark by far, by very, very far.

Rather than even taking a chance to be subject to the wrath of the excessively politically correct storm troopers, best to not say anything, or so it seems. There are those who forge ahead regardless.


These claims that the university is all about an honest exchange of different views seems only apply to leftist views, so it's a total line of bull****. Conservative speakers and conservative ideas need not apply.

I'm sure that are a lot of conservative speakers who have just stopped trying, stopped presenting on campus anymore, so self-censorship.

In addition, private individuals are surely unable to escape this same oppression and coercion. It's far more likely that the same is happening in everyday life to everyday people, and frankly, it's rather tyrannical of the leftists and the excessive PC activists to force others to comply with their ideology. Where have all the 'need my safe zone' idiots on campus come from? This same stupidity of political correctness. What happened to 'I disagree with you but will fight for you to have the right to say that'? Now it's I'll fight you to have the right to say anything I disagree with.

Between the two, government mass surveillance and excessive politically correctness, I'd say that the excessive PC is far more dangerous to society in general and individual liberties and freedom in particular.

Are you still of the position that none of this exists?

Someone choosing not to print something because of fear of public scrutiny (aka the public using their first amendment rights) does not equate to someone choosing not to print something because of fear of reprisal from the federal government.
 
Someone choosing not to print something because of fear of public scrutiny (aka the public using their first amendment rights) does not equate to someone choosing not to print something because of fear of reprisal from the federal government.

True, different, far more scrutiny as to what the government does in these cases than the subtle tyranny of the excessive PC activists.
 
Oh come on now. You are claiming blindness to it?



  • By my rough count all but two of your links are specifically about college campuses, and your very first link hits on what is one of, if not the major issue likely in play here:
    "Because universities increasingly see fee-paying students as customers, they do not dare to stand up to the “small but vocal minority” of student activists who want to ban everything from the Sun newspaper to the historian David Starkey."​

    It's also worth noting that the "My taxes (or in this case student fees) should not be used to support X, Y or Z" is a type of rhetoric which in the past has been associated far more with conservative views.
 
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By my rough count all but two of your links are specifically about college campuses, and your very first link hits on what is one of, if not the major issue likely in play here:
"Because universities increasingly see fee-paying students as customers, they do not dare to stand up to the “small but vocal minority” of student activists who want to ban everything from the Sun newspaper to the historian David Starkey."​

It's also worth noting that the "My taxes (or in this case student fees) should not be used to support X, Y or Z" is a type of rhetoric which in the past has been associated far more with conservative views.

Seems that the higher education institutions have forsaken their noble goals of educating the youth present in earlier years and have lowered themselves to the same monetary greed as the bankersters who where at the heart of the mortgage bubble.

All hail, the chase after the all mighty dollar, by any means necessary.

Far better for society and everyone to have some sort of moral boundaries instilled in the people, but alas, the people are turning away from religion in favor atheism and a secular society.
 
Far better for society and everyone to have some sort of moral boundaries instilled in the people, but alas, the people are turning away from religion in favor atheism and a secular society.

The issue you highlighted - stifling contrary or heterodox views rather than valuing a free exchange of ideas - looks in part like some form of hyper-moralism and a dearth of secular values, at least as far as the students are concerned.

It's also worth noting that (again from that first article) atheists are claimed to be one of the groups subjected to such exclusionary tactics.
"Writing in The Telegraph, the academics, led by Frank Furedi, professor of sociology at the University of Canterbury, and Joanna Williams, education editor, Spiked, say it is part of a “long and growing” list of people and objects banned from British campuses, including pop songs, sombreros and atheists. . . .

"In recent months, students at British universities have banned, cancelled or challenged a host of speakers and objects because some found them offensive. Maryam Namazie, a prominent human rights campaigner who is one of the signatories to the letter, was initially banned from speaking at Warwick University because she is an atheist who, it was feared, could incite hatred on campus. She spoke at Warwick in the end. "​

But if you're suggesting that even higher education shouldn't be left entirely to private, profit-driven enterprise, I'd tend to agree.
 
The issue you highlighted - stifling contrary or heterodox views rather than valuing a free exchange of ideas - looks in part like some form of hyper-moralism and a dearth of secular values, at least as far as the students are concerned.

It's also worth noting that (again from that first article) atheists are claimed to be one of the groups subjected to such exclusionary tactics.
"Writing in The Telegraph, the academics, led by Frank Furedi, professor of sociology at the University of Canterbury, and Joanna Williams, education editor, Spiked, say it is part of a “long and growing” list of people and objects banned from British campuses, including pop songs, sombreros and atheists. . . .

"In recent months, students at British universities have banned, cancelled or challenged a host of speakers and objects because some found them offensive. Maryam Namazie, a prominent human rights campaigner who is one of the signatories to the letter, was initially banned from speaking at Warwick University because she is an atheist who, it was feared, could incite hatred on campus. She spoke at Warwick in the end. "​

But if you're suggesting that even higher education shouldn't be left entirely to private, profit-driven enterprise, I'd tend to agree.

Two points.
1). Higher education shouldn't be geared around being or becoming a for profit enterprise, such as it seems to have become. It's the same corruption of a sound principal as the banksters corrupting the mortgage industry creating the housing bubble. We are experiencing an 'education bubble' of sorts, the first symptom of whihc appear to be the ridiculous levels of student debt for ridiculous classes and degrees that can't earn a decent living.

2). Historically, the people in these leadership positions, mortgage industry and higher education, and in fact in the general population as well, have religious reenforced morals which more often than not guided them to make the 'right' decisions. With the waning of this influence, we can see the degradation of morals and it's impact.
 
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