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Berkeley Touts $15 Minimum Wage and Then Fires Hundreds of Workers After It Passes

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Deuce said:
An ipad with a wifi connection can perform the task. That's a gap the market will fill, with or without minimum wage hikes.
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Your missing about 90% of the needed technology to run this kind of a thing.

In the picture, they showed multiple screens. In the real set up of this kind of a thing, there has to be at least one "Master" unit and the rest can slave to it. The slaves, I think, would be the unit you're talking about.
 
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code1211 said:
Or, there are just better ways to do things that have nothing to do with hiring more people.

The problem for the pencil necks in government is that they are always assuming static conditions. The folks in the Make-a-Profit end of the world always look for ways to shake things up and improve the outcome.

In any business performing any function for profit, the outcome most examined is the profitability.

Our government is a wonderful construct. Put in place by themselves, it grinds on doing nothing but aggrandizing those that yearn for power and have no experience. They are overpaid, underperforming, know very little demigods who love to demonstrate that they are superior. In the meantime, those they like to control are so far ahead of them in experience and knowledge that the rules they enact are obsoleted in moments after they are enacted.

Can't make desirable foods using automated methods? Ever had a Snickers?

Dear Striking Fast-Food Workers: Meet The Machine That Just Put You Out Of A Job | Zero Hedge

Finally, for those complaining that there will be no "human touch" left to take the orders, robots have that covered too:


The robot is shown below. It occupies 24 square feet, and is much smaller and efficient than most assembly-line fast-food operations. It provides "gourmet cooking methods never before used in a fast food restaurant" and will deposit the completed burger into a bag. It does all of this without a trace of attitude.
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No attitude and no trying to figure out what the counter person is mumbling in a heavy Asian accent. "Yawantamealnfries"?
 
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Socrates1 said:
what kind of perverted logic is that ? :lamo
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the liberal left it is the liberal left.
 
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ludin said:
no servers make minimum wage or more.
that is the law. they don't make less than minimum wage.
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No servers make minimum wage or more, but they don't make less than minimum wage? Not sure what you're saying here.....

But as far as their hourly pay, its way way below minimum wage. Most of their pay is tips, the vast majority in fact. One could argue they make over minimum wage when tips are factored in, but they only get something like 3$ an hour from their employer. So the idea that employers (would) replace waiters/waitresses with machines to save on payroll is false. I would also point out though that fast food workers are not part of this group, but I believe this started with a comment about Olive Garden (not fast food).
 
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shagg said:
No servers make minimum wage or more, but they don't make less than minimum wage? Not sure what you're saying here.....

But as far as their hourly pay, its way way below minimum wage. Most of their pay is tips, the vast majority in fact. One could argue they make over minimum wage when tips are factored in, but they only get something like 3$ an hour from their employer. So the idea that employers (would) replace waiters/waitresses with machines to save on payroll is false. I would also point out though that fast food workers are not part of this group, but I believe this started with a comment about Olive Garden (not fast food).
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:doh

people really need to understand how systems work before they start spouting stuff off.

1. by law every worker has to make minimum wage.
2. if you are a waiter that makes tips then your job can pay you 2.14 an hour + tips.

at the end of the pay period your salary + tips has to equal what the minimum wage would be if you were working at 7.25 an hour.
if it isn't or doesn't then the restaurant has to make up the difference.

so if you are working 40 hours a week at 7.25 that is 290.
at the end of the week as a waiter if you work 40 hours you pay has to be 290 or
higher.

if you make 250 then the restaurant has to pay your the extra 40 dollars.
 
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On a whole other note,, I never have seem this discussed:

The reason for a 15$ minimum wage? To force companies to pay a living wage to those that can't/Don't want to better themselves through education or just plain hard work.

What happens when all of a sudden fast food restaurants require a college degree of some sort in order to work for them. I mean 15$ is not going to make you rich by no means, but to a college graduate that may be having trouble
getting a job fresh out of school, that money looks pretty good.

Also recent retiree's that may want to supplement their retirement by working. I bet they make better employees than most of those that I see holding the preotest signs that demand that 15$ per hour.

Who would you hire? A person that could hardly fill out the employment application? May or may not have graduated high school. or a well educated person that probably has a descent work ethic? Or an older worker ( again with probably a descent work ethic)

It just sounds like (to me) that all of these protestors are just digging themselves deeper and deeper.

djl
 
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KevinKohler said:
So, they either have less work to be done, or, magically, the workers who are left, are suddenly capable of doing more work.
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Services will get cut. Restrooms will be cleaned twice a week instead of daily. Halls will be swept weekly and mopped monthly instead of swept daily and mopped weekly. This is what happens when you increase costs without increasing income.
 
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The funny thing about increasing the MW is that the people who will end up losing their jobs will be heavily on the Dem. side of the fence. Maybe this will turn out OK in the end if a lot of those folks get pissed off about losing their jobs and start voting for conservative candidates...
 
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ludin said:
no servers make minimum wage or more.
that is the law. they don't make less than minimum wage.
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In defense of his statement, in some states they allow servers to be paid less than MW by including tips in their income. The employer has to make sure that tips + wages is at least MW, so in a way the statement is correct, but only if you leave out the tips.

The reason this is done is to get servers to pay taxes on their tips. Unless the tips are declared on your 1040, they aren't taxed and forcing the servers to report their tips also means that they are reported for tax purposes as well.
 
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ludin said:
:doh

people really need to understand how systems work before they start spouting stuff off.

1. by law every worker has to make minimum wage.
2. if you are a waiter that makes tips then your job can pay you 2.14 an hour + tips.

at the end of the pay period your salary + tips has to equal what the minimum wage would be if you were working at 7.25 an hour.
if it isn't or doesn't then the restaurant has to make up the difference.

so if you are working 40 hours a week at 7.25 that is 290.
at the end of the week as a waiter if you work 40 hours you pay has to be 290 or
higher.

if you make 250 then the restaurant has to pay your the extra 40 dollars.
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We should end the tipping culture in America.
 
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Ikari said:
We should end the tipping culture in America.
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some places are doing it and charging 20% extra on your bill.
to pay for the additional wages.
 
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ludin said:
some places are doing it and charging 20% extra on your bill.
to pay for the additional wages.
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yeah, in the end it's the same price. Though I think that if a restaurant had to pay the full MW and there was no tipping, that they wouldn't actually need to raise the cost of things by 20%.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
No attitude and no trying to figure out what the counter person is mumbling in a heavy Asian accent. "Yawantamealnfries"?
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There's that, but also the automated robo-phone-Hell attendant. "Push 1 for English." "What best describes the reason for your call?" "I'm sorry, call back later".
 
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Ikari said:
yeah, in the end it's the same price. Though I think that if a restaurant had to pay the full MW and there was no tipping, that they wouldn't actually need to raise the cost of things by 20%.
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that was for places that raised their minimum wage to 15 dollars.

other places would see little or no impact as they have to pay minimum wage now.
 
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ludin said:
that was for places that raised their minimum wage to 15 dollars.

other places would see little or no impact as they have to pay minimum wage now.
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Restaurants don't have to pay their servers minimum wage, they get to pay them below minimum wage. If, for some reason, a server doesn't make minimum wage with tips, the restaurant has to cover the difference, not the full thing. But most servers make above the minimum wage when tips are counted, so the restaurant doesn't have to worry about that.

So taking away tipping and having the restaurant pay full minimum wage wouldn't need a 20% raise in prices to cover the increase in spending, not even for a 15/hr min wage. A business that increases 20% is just doing so because most of us already inflate our cost by 20% for a tip, and thus wouldn't really notice any real change in what we're spending even though under such a system more money would go to the restaurant than the server.
 
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Ikari said:
Restaurants don't have to pay their servers minimum wage, they get to pay them below minimum wage. If, for some reason, a server doesn't make minimum wage with tips, the restaurant has to cover the difference, not the full thing. But most servers make above the minimum wage when tips are counted, so the restaurant doesn't have to worry about that.
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this is what we call a nit pick fallacy. the fact is that all wokers have to make minimum wage for the hours they work.
it doesn't matter if it is straight minimum wage or if it is wage + tips. it all has to equal minimum wage for the hours work.
you act like you have a point and you don't so stop.

restaurants have to pay their employee's minimum wage period.

So taking away tipping and having the restaurant pay full minimum wage wouldn't need a 20% raise in prices to cover the increase in spending, not even for a 15/hr min wage. A business that increases 20% is just doing so because most of us already inflate our cost by 20% for a tip, and thus wouldn't really notice any real change in what we're spending even though under such a system more money would go to the restaurant than the server.
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no they are doing so because instead of paying the person 7.25 an hour they have to pay them 15 an
hour with no tip. so they are sticking the 100% pay increase on you.

that is in addition to the increased prices that they are not charging you.
that is what happens when you raise the minimum wage 100% of where it should be.

for those that are still at 7.25 an hour or whatever the state minimum wage is no tipp wouldn't be an issue
since they are already paying it.
 
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ludin said:
the liberal left it is the liberal left.
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Your correct , they never make sense ! :lamo
 
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ludin said:
this is what we call a nit pick fallacy. the fact is that all wokers have to make minimum wage for the hours they work.
it doesn't matter if it is straight minimum wage or if it is wage + tips. it all has to equal minimum wage for the hours work.
you act like you have a point and you don't so stop.

restaurants have to pay their employee's minimum wage period.
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Workers need to be paid minimum wage. For servers, the restaurant doesn't pay the full of that wage, it's supplemented through tips. The restaurant doesn't pay the fill thing. It's not called "nit pick fallacy", it's called math.

ludin said:
no they are doing so because instead of paying the person 7.25 an hour they have to pay them 15 an
hour with no tip. so they are sticking the 100% pay increase on you.

that is in addition to the increased prices that they are not charging you.
that is what happens when you raise the minimum wage 100% of where it should be.

for those that are still at 7.25 an hour or whatever the state minimum wage is no tipp wouldn't be an issue
since they are already paying it.
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The customer pays it anyway. It's just is it part of a tip or part of the nominal bill.

Let's say you're right here (you're not, but we're going to overlook that) and that the 20% increase for no tip in states with 15/hr min wage is legitimate rise in price to offset labor costs. It's not, it's an excuse, but we're looking over that. So what? I'm already paying +20% for tip, so instead of tip, I'm paying the same amount be it 15 bucks/hour with no tip or standard with tip.

Math...it works
 
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Ikari said:
Workers need to be paid minimum wage. For servers, the restaurant doesn't pay the full of that wage, it's supplemented through tips. The restaurant doesn't pay the fill thing. It's not called "nit pick fallacy", it's called math.
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you absolutely are 100% wrong.
if you work as a waiter 40 hours a week. at the end of the week the government expects that you will
make 290 dollars. that is 7.25 x40.

as a waiter you get paid 2.13+ tips. so your salaries in hours is 85.20 dollars.
the government expects you will earn 204.80 in tips over the course of the week.
if you do not then the restuartan is required by law to pay you the amount that you didn't get.

so if your salary + tips is 250 they have to pay you the 40 dollars. this is federal wage law.
to say otherwise shows you don't know what you are talking about.

elaws - employment laws assistance for workers and small businesses
If an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the Federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference.

The customer pays it anyway. It's just is it part of a tip or part of the nominal bill.

Let's say you're right here (you're not, but we're going to overlook that) and that the 20% increase for no tip in states with 15/hr min wage is legitimate rise in price to offset labor costs. It's not, it's an excuse, but we're looking over that. So what? I'm already paying +20% for tip, so instead of tip, I'm paying the same amount be it 15 bucks/hour with no tip or standard with tip.
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No I am right and have been so far. you on the other hand need to educate yourself a bit more about
what is going on. who are you to determine if it is a legitimate increase or not?

no one. so you start off with a faulty argument already.
do you know their business needs? do you know their cash flow and expenses?
no you don't so you seriously should check your own arguments before
telling anyone else anything.

you only forget that they raised menu prices as well.
yes math it works. just not the way you want it to.
Math...it works
 
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So as I said, the Restaurant does not pay the full minimum wage for the server. Thanks for proving I'm right. They pay some base amount, 2.13. The rest is covered by tips. If the tips do not cover the amount of minimum wage, the restaurant makes up the DIFFERENCE. They don't pay the full minimum wage, the only way a restaurant pays full minimum wage to a server is if the server got zero tips. That doesn't really happen. In fact, servers tend to make well more than minimum wage when tips are factored in.

Jesus, this is not tough. So now that I've proven I didn't start with a faulty argument, the rest of the tripe you wrote to dismissing is in and of itself dismissed.

You seriously should check your own arguments before telling anyone else anything.
 
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faithful_servant said:
The funny thing about increasing the MW is that the people who will end up losing their jobs will be heavily on the Dem. side of the fence. Maybe this will turn out OK in the end if a lot of those folks get pissed off about losing their jobs and start voting for conservative candidates...
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They'll just go on welfare.
 
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LowDown said:
From the annals of instant karma, because you know all those minimum wage workers were supporting the increase. Five hundred of them lost their jobs.

UC Berkeley Touts $15 Wage Law, Then Fires Hundreds After It Passe | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD



Except, of course, in liberalandia, where good intentions are all anyone needs. Berkeley was already in financial trouble. It simply could not go further into debt to keep those people employed. Eventually you run out of other people's money.
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IBD: UC-Berkeley Touts $15 Minimum Wage, Fires Hundreds
University of California at Berkeley’s plan to fire 500 workers a week after the state voted to raise the minimum wage is an unlikely coincidence, says Investor’s Business Daily.

“The school was already in financial trouble — it ran a $109 million deficit last year and is projecting a deficit of $150 million this year,” the financial newspaper says in an editorial. “But number crunchers at the school had to have factored in the higher mandated wages when making their layoff decisions.”

California Gov. Jerry Brown on April 4 signed into law a 50 percent increase in the minimum pay rate to $15 an hour by 2022, saying, “Morally and socially and politically, they (minimum wages) make every sense because it binds the community together and makes sure that parents can take care of their kids in a much more satisfactory way,”according to the Sacramento Bee.

A week after the wage hike was signed into law, Nicholas Dirks, chancellor of the flagship of liberal academia, sent a memo to UC Berkeley employees announcing that 500 jobs were getting cut over the next two years.
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Berkeley has a work force of 30,000 people:
http://hrweb.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/attachments/WorkforceCensus_2015-10-31.pdf

The layoff are quite probably part-time student workers.
 
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ludin said:
they will get more done in order to not be the next fired.
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Perhaps, but there are only so many hours in the day, and I would guess, like any bureaucracy, the work load was designed to make everyone look busy.
 
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ocean515 said:
Perhaps, but there are only so many hours in the day, and I would guess, like any bureaucracy, the work load was designed to make everyone look busy.
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depends. when I was a student worker at my college I was extremely busy. I was in the computer services department.
so I was fixing PC's repairing them. at one point they were re-wiring the entire college campus with cat 5 and I was on that
project.
 
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Ikari said:
So as I said, the Restaurant does not pay the full minimum wage for the server. Thanks for proving I'm right. They pay some base amount, 2.13. The rest is covered by tips. If the tips do not cover the amount of minimum wage, the restaurant makes up the DIFFERENCE. They don't pay the full minimum wage, the only way a restaurant pays full minimum wage to a server is if the server got zero tips. That doesn't really happen. In fact, servers tend to make well more than minimum wage when tips are factored in.

Jesus, this is not tough. So now that I've proven I didn't start with a faulty argument, the rest of the tripe you wrote to dismissing is in and of itself dismissed.

You seriously should check your own arguments before telling anyone else anything.
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Yes you should check your own argument as you just conceded what I have been saying.

all worker make minimum wage. it doesn't matter if they area server or not. every worker makes at least minimum wage.
it took me having to go to the government website to prove what you said wrong.

next time read and understand what people are saying instead of making stuff up.

some servers do other servers don't it depends on the restaurant and how busy it is.
 
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