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America IS shifting farther Left - Seems to be a permanent shift

The evidence that our economy has done better under Democrats is undeniable. From GDP growth to jobs and even income growth Democrat ic Administrations have done so much better than Republicans it is embarrassing. I think most voters are finally getting the hint. Republican = Recession or worse.

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that is based on the myth that what an administration does is immediately visible in the economy
 
that is based on the myth that what an administration does is immediately visible in the economy

That's true, also for Congress, but the discussion started when a couple of folks said electing democrats just led to (paraphrased) 'gloom, despair, and agony on me, deep, dark depression, excessive misery..." and there is no evidence for that assertion, and what little evidence there is runs the other way.
 
I'm not one who thinks we are EVER "due" for a recession or that recessions are needed or ever desirable. Lately they have been exclusively created by bubbles which I don't think anyone thinks are good things.
Interesting viewpoint which I had never considered. We have always had recessions but perhaps they are avoidable. On the other hand, I have lived through 7 of them as an adult and none of them were more than minor inconveniences, IMHO. Not like a depression. The worse one in my adult life was the 1981-2 one when unemployment reached 10.8% which you probably want to blame Reagan but most people would blame international oil issues that started before he took office.
 
Interesting viewpoint which I had never considered. We have always had recessions but perhaps they are avoidable. On the other hand, I have lived through 7 of them as an adult and none of them were more than minor inconveniences, IMHO. Not like a depression. The worse one in my adult life was the 1981-2 one when unemployment reached 10.8% which you probably want to blame Reagan but most people would blame international oil issues that started before he took office.

Actually that recession was caused by the Fed. When oil tripled in price the costs of everything went up accordingly mimicking inflation. The Fed went crazy trying to stop this faux inflation by raising interest rates through the roof. CD rates were 10% in the early '80's and mortgages were 15%. It is easy to see what that would do. Spending took a nose dive and prices continued to go up anyway since expensive oil was the cause, not demand. It was called "stagflation" and led to Carter's demise more than anything else. Ending that recession was an easy job compared to 2008. All that was needed was to drop those ridiculously high interest rates, spend some money and sit back and reap the praise. Since the last recession involved a collapse of the financial sector and interest rates were already low, it was much tougher to get going again. Ask the Europeans.
 
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I don't think we can really understand or push towards what the future might hold without understanding broad historical trends. Most notably in my opinion:

Social inclusiveness > progressing from limits to the supposed divine right of kings (eg. the Magna Carta); to the institution of republics and constitutional/parliamentary monarchy; to the abolition of formal slavery; to women's suffrage; to black/minority suffrage and non-discrimation; to abortion rights; to gay rights. Whether or not those are considered good things (and at least one member on the forum does not consider democracy good), there's a clear trend there, whose momentum doesn't seem to be slowing. Gay rights are approaching a done deal, and now transgender rights are rising on the horizon.

Globalisation > progressing from primitive loyalty to family or tribe; to loyalty for city-states or small nations; to vast nations and hegemonies: Now we're in a world of free trade agreements, global communications and travel, and at least the pretense of international cooperation on a range of issues which affect the planet and species as a whole such as ozone depletion, management of fisheries, climate change and so on. Multinational corporations are now at the point of threatening national democracy itself, suing countries like Australia over public health measures such as plain packaging for cigarettes; and all domestic economy policies are judged by the yardstick of how they'll fare in the international arena. Again like it or not, the trend seems to point in the direction of increasing emphasis on the international/global scale and decreasing importance for the nation-state.

Technology and automation > progressing from figuring out how to tame animals to reduce our workload and get more done; to harnessing fossil fuel power; to computers and robotics. We're fast entering an era in which fast food workers, cashiers, truck and aeroplane drivers, accountants, lawyers, doctors and many others will soon have far less work available, in some cases none at all, and it's highly unlikely that there'll be enough new, un-automatable jobs opening up to employ them all.



Conservative or right-wing positions seem to oppose or deny trends such as these in most cases: Would it be any surprise if in fact they are losing out?

> What are the conservative policies intended to prepare for a likely halving of the need for human employment in the next few decades?
> When we're colonising other planets and other star systems, 100 and 200 years from now, will we still be squabbling over loyalties determined by historical and geographic accidents on planet Earth?
> With heavy labour and high risk occupations becoming increasingly obsolete, overpopulation being more of a concern than too few babies, and gender differentiations increasingly trivial, how will conservatives cope with increasing numbers who don't want to be forced into traditional roles and identities?

I'd say that right-wing policies still very much have the upper hand as far as international trade relations go. There is no strong global/international democratic body or movement, meaning both that stronger countries are well able to dominate in exchanges with the weak (dumping masses of heavily-subsidized agricultural products on third world markets for example, jeopardizing the livelihoods of majority-employment sectors there), and that fear of other countries' competition could potentially produce a race to the bottom in areas like labour and environmental standards (fortunately less so in practice than might be expected from theory).

But in terms of domestic social policies, preparations for largely post-labour economies, and progress towards an international environment of competition rather than opposition and containment - hopefully with active cooperation on issues of global concern - it would seem that at their best progressive policies are precisely that: Forward-thinking and progressive.

If you want to summarize all of those together, it could be said that we've been seeing a growing monolithization. From the high Middle Ages onward we've seen authority become more and more monolithic, liberalism of course drives this (fewer authorities are better than many to left-liberals), though it's been going since before liberalism came around. The modern fantasies of artificial intelligence can be seen in this light, as a desire to finally be able to escape human authority.
 
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