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Withdrawing social participation due to opposiing political views - B Springsteen etc

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The difference here is you have the federal, as well as some state and local governments, involved in boycotting NC. That's quote a bit more influence than a church or environmental group refusing to buy a good or service from a business.
 
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NoLeftNoRight said:
Numerous liberal, Progressive or otherwise Left Leaning businesses and entertainers have decided not to participate in states where legislative actions have been enacted to protect the rights of the majority over perceived intrusions of common sense, historical traditions. Traditions such as men using the men's restroom and women using a woman's bathroom.
While these concepts seem, on the surface, solidly best practice as common sense can afford, the minority insists that it gets it's way or they will not participate financially or in the case of some "artists", performing in such areas.

Others who have used this leverage include Disney, PayPal and many others.

Is such withdrawal a good idea? Does it benefit society at large or just a small, but very vocal and menacing minority?

And if so, why aren't Conservatives and the Right, in general, boycotting the Left in a similar fashion? Why is it that only the left plays this game?
If it's effective, and drives modern social, political and economic policy, is the Right missing out and submitting to the whim of the Left?

Should the right be vigorously boycotting the NFL, Disney, PayPal, Hollywood etc?
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Really? The Right doesn't boycott companies that don't toe the conservative line? Better tell these guys, then:

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notquiteright said:
Ever been to North Carolina in the summer??? :(

Branson Missouri is the 'Christian' Holiday spot and I don't think they will surrender that Thorn of Crowns easily... :peace
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I've been there in the spring and fall - I like it - but I don't travel south in the summer because it's beautiful here in Toronto.

I was just thinking they'd visit, on principle, to support the legislation.
 
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Maybe your favorite pop icon is boycotting to foster a political belief. Maybe you should just get a different favorite pop icon. That's your boycott.
 
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The entirety of Mississippi is being hurt because of the views of some bigots. If the people of Mississippi should be angry with anyone it should be their government, who apparently hates gays and jobs.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
I've been there in the spring and fall - I like it - but I don't travel south in the summer because it's beautiful here in Toronto. I was just thinking they'd visit, on principle, to support the legislation.
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Given the success of most of their boycotts of late I don't know if most of us will notice, but hey will be interesting to see if they can Chik-fil-a this...
 
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NoLeftNoRight said:
And if so, why aren't Conservatives and the Right, in general, boycotting the Left in a similar fashion? Why is it that only the left plays this game?
If it's effective, and drives modern social, political and economic policy, is the Right missing out and submitting to the whim of the Left?

Should the right be vigorously boycotting the NFL, Disney, PayPal, Hollywood etc?
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I agree that "the right" should show its real stripes and boycott all businesses who do not want to discriminate against gay people.

But they won't, because the attempt to hide behind "religious freedom" is laughable enough already. Go that direction and they won't be able to keep a straight face when they say it...
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
Quick question - is it Tammerlain? Or Tammer the Lame? (sorry - the old military-history geek/punster couldn't resist)
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It was originally an adaptation of timur for an online game site
 
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Lovebug said:
...or freedom of speech
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Freedom of speech works both ways .
 
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Socrates1 said:
Freedom of speech works both ways .
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Meaning?
 
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NoLeftNoRight said:
Numerous liberal, Progressive or otherwise Left Leaning businesses and entertainers have decided not to participate in states where legislative actions have been enacted to protect the rights of the majority over perceived intrusions of common sense, historical traditions. Traditions such as men using the men's restroom and women using a woman's bathroom.
While these concepts seem, on the surface, solidly best practice as common sense can afford, the minority insists that it gets it's way or they will not participate financially or in the case of some "artists", performing in such areas.

Others who have used this leverage include Disney, PayPal and many others.

Is such withdrawal a good idea? Does it benefit society at large or just a small, but very vocal and menacing minority?

And if so, why aren't Conservatives and the Right, in general, boycotting the Left in a similar fashion? Why is it that only the left plays this game?
If it's effective, and drives modern social, political and economic policy, is the Right missing out and submitting to the whim of the Left?

Should the right be vigorously boycotting the NFL, Disney, PayPal, Hollywood etc?
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This discussion is not a political left versus right disagreement, but rather a equal treatment versus discrimination disagreement. The government and our laws are in place to protect those that cannot protect themselves, the small minority that you speak of in the OP. The majority can defend themselves, and do so at the ballot box and in the legislature as we saw in NC with HB2, sometimes at the expense of the minority (again) as we saw in NC in HB2. The only option available at that point for the minority is to raise their voices, ask for support from those that may influence the majority (like businesses, entertainers, etc.), and if needed, raise their fists. So far, all they have done in this instance is raise their voices and ask for support.

As a lifelong citizen of the Land of the Long Leaf Pine (North Carolina), I have not been happy and have expressed my dismay here on this forum with the hatred, damnation, and financial harm to all citizens of NC in response to HB2. That doesn't mean that I do not understand why they have done so, or that I would fight to stop them. I have asked that they give us time to fix our problems in this state before they try to kill our economy, but I do understand why they do so.

Also, as has been brought up here already, when the religious right felt threatened when Chic-Fil-A was attacked because the owner made anti-gay statements, the religious right came out in droves to support the owner and his company and raised their voice by spending their money - lots of money.

There's no imbalance, although I can understand why it appears to be so - and again, in this particular instance, it isn't a political right/left thing as much as it's a moral and ethical and legal right/wrong issue where the political right is not acting morally, ethically, and legally right.
 
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Henrin said:
If they really want to be effective they need to brainwash children in school on their social agendas and then brag about how the younger generation supports their views years later. The left loves doing this and I have to say it's very effective.
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No you're quite right, I was just discussing this at the last liberal brainwashing meeting and what an excellent job we've done...

Well shucks, yah know if you only had an anarchist brainwashing meeting you might be able to get in on this too :roll:
 
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"Cant we all just get along"

American has become over-run with uptight narcissists. This is not a good thing.
 
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nota bene said:
I have my own little criteria too, and I know my "voting with my wallet" doesn't have an impact--Kraft, for example, appears to be doing just fine without my purchasing their products for over 20 years, but I won't do it. Won't buy the music of wife-beaters or see the films of cheaters (IRS or spouse, LOL), and Scientology will never get a dime from me.
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Staying away from Heinz products has been difficult for me, and I'm sure that my refusal to buy their products has made no impact on them at all.
 
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All this bitching is really rich.

I mean, isn't this exactly how it's supposed to work... If extremist Christians are going to pass laws that march people back into the past, then this will go EXACTLY the way those folks imagined, freedom of association, freedom of religion, very well, your state wants to pass discriminatory laws, we won't associate with you.

Easy.
 
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I'm quickly coming to the thinking of: I don't have kids, I have enough money to be ok no matter the government taxes, so let it all burn. I hate that it's come to this, but issues like this leave me little choice.

I just have to ask the liberals this. You send your young daughter into the bathroom during a basketball game; a 6-4 large man in a dress follows directly behind her into the bathroom. Are you honestly telling me, watching that scene, you will turn away and go get popcorn, not concerned in the LEAST about what your daughter may be seeing and experiencing in that bathroom?!?!?! I just can't believe anyone in good conscious any parent would be ok with that.

but hey, maybe I'm just a bigot like you people say and should be removed from society. It just all leaves me speechless that we are even having the conversation.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
No you're quite right, I was just discussing this at the last liberal brainwashing meeting and what an excellent job we've done...

Well shucks, yah know if you only had an anarchist brainwashing meeting you might be able to get in on this too :roll:
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I love how liberals act like everyone is ignorant of what they use public education for.
 
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Lovebug said:
We can only be responsible for our own action. It is so in a free society.
Much of what we do may not make much of a wave, but at the end of the day, we have to look at the man or woman in the mirror.
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And face ourselves the next morning too. ;)
 
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Jetboogieman said:
All this bitching is really rich.

I mean, isn't this exactly how it's supposed to work... If extremist Christians are going to pass laws that march people back into the past, then this will go EXACTLY the way those folks imagined, freedom of association, freedom of religion, very well, your state wants to pass discriminatory laws, we won't associate with you.

Easy.
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so you'll discriminate against people because they discriminate... and discrimination is bad.:lol:

in any event, I don't care about boycotts and temper tantrums... I guess we'll just a country of toddlers after all, not able to debate ideas on their merits, just throw **** out there, and then watch the ensuing temper tantrums.

it's true both sides boycotts stuff... but i think the american left is better at it... their boycotts seem to have more impact....I don't know if that's because they are reported on by a friendly media/echo chamber, or if they actually have a more substantial impact
 
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Lovebug said:
...or freedom of speech
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Rather freedom of association, the very thing he is protesting when others do it.
 
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JoeTrumps said:
I'm quickly coming to the thinking of: I don't have kids, I have enough money to be ok no matter the government taxes, so let it all burn. I hate that it's come to this, but issues like this leave me little choice.

I just have to ask the liberals this. You send your young daughter into the bathroom during a basketball game; a 6-4 large man in a dress follows directly behind her into the bathroom. Are you honestly telling me, watching that scene, you will turn away and go get popcorn, not concerned in the LEAST about what your daughter may be seeing and experiencing in that bathroom?!?!?! I just can't believe anyone in good conscious any parent would be ok with that.

but hey, maybe I'm just a bigot like you people say and should be removed from society. It just all leaves me speechless that we are even having the conversation.
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Would you like him following your daughter into the bathroom:
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According to bathroom laws he would have to because he was born a woman.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
I fully support liberal elites in the entertainment industry using their perceived importance to push their social agendas. It also helps me in determining how I will expend my entertainment dollars, and I most assuredly do not waste any of my money on those who preach politics from an entertainment pulpit.
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How dare they exercise their freedom of economic activity and expression.

In response, I shall exercise my freedom of economic activity and expression.
 
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Regarding opposite sex persons in the bathrooms, what you don't know don't hurt you. But what activists want to do is to push it into your face. A man with lipstick should be regarded the same rights as a properly dress tranny that no one would suspect unless they have a keen eye.

It's possible some of us have experienced this and didn't even know.

It's about using the bathroom in peace, not performance art.
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
You have to be kidding
Just look up on Google how many christian groups boycott various companies for various issues. To say the right never boycotts is just flat out wrong
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I don't think this is a fair statement. The liberal media is FAR more likely to publicize bad behavior of the right....yet it's rare to hear such things.
You generalize with no specifics.
Recent examples please.
 
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