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IF Trump gets the GOP nom. and wins the general....

roughdraft274 said:
So it's kind of hard to run an "anti-Obama" campaign when anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass can clearly see that they are better off than they were 8 years ago.
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Not sure I would have used that wording...but you certainly hit the nail squarely on its head!
 
roughdraft274 said:
Well, let's actually use logic. I'll try to go slow.

In 2008 we had an incredibly unpopular president with two very unpopular wars and an economy that sucked dick for crack. It was at rock bottom. Therefor it was very reasonable to assume that there were large swaths of people that were going to come out and vote simply to make sure that our next president wasn't like the sorry ****er that just tanked our economy and our standing in the world. But all in all, Obama won because Obama ran a great campaign, not because of Bush. If Hillary had beat Obama, she would have won, because Bush had sucked the wind out of all Republican enthusiasm. Period.

In 2016 we have a president with decent popularity, an economy on the upswing, and even though the middle east is still a quagmire like always, we aren't losing thousands of our boys in the mean time. So it's kind of hard to run an "anti-Obama" campaign when anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass can clearly see that they are better off than they were 8 years ago.

My entire comment had to do with "Trump has nothing to do with Obama" and it's true. And bush didn't give us Obama either. What Bush gave us was a scenario where any democratic candidate that ran even a mediocre campaign would have won the election. But it wouldn't matter if that candidate was Obama, Hillary or one of the others.

Does that help you out?
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You'll "try to go slow"? Oh....I see what you did there. That was special. :roll:

Let's see...
In 2016 we have unprecedented debt. (approaching $20 Trillion) the highest in US history and more than ALL US Presidents before Obama combined. Also, 1 in 7 people on some form of welfare. We also have 2 Dem. candidates still in the race - neither of whom are running on the supposed "success" of the past 7+ years. Hmmm....
Let me be clear...I was never a big fan of GW Bush...he's a lib...like you. So....'nuff said.
 
GunFora said:
We also have 2 Dem. candidates still in the race - neither of whom are running on the supposed "success" of the past 7+ years.
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Hillary Clinton?s strategy shift: Why she?s wise to run for a ?third Obama term? - Salon.com
After Thursday’s debate it’s clear what Hillary Clinton’s closing message is: “Vote for me if you want a third Obama term.” Clinton mentioned Obama 21 times during the debate, and almost every time it was to imply that she’s a stronger supporter of the president and, more important, better prepared to continue his legacy.
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To say that Hillary Clinton hasn't been running as someone who would take up right where Obama left off is just plain dumb. No other term for it. She's specifically allied herself with Obama every chance she got. She might have pointed out differences, but Clinton is in every way shape and form running a campaign based on Obama's legacy.

GunFora said:
Let me be clear...
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Oh trust me, you are very clear. Completely transparent and see through. :lol:
 
DamnYankee said:
ROTFLMAO, now that's real knee slapper right there!!
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The only people to whom Obama is far left are people on the far right. He's certainly left, more left than I want, but he isn't ridiculously left by any means.
 
GunFora said:
In fact, he is very far left. There is nothing moderate or conservative about him.
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It's all relative. Compared to you he is far left. Compared to me he far right. Compared to the average American he is pretty center of the road, like most of our Presidents have been.
 
Obama ended up not being as leftist as he could have been. That's not why people think he's the worst president ever.

1) His "most transparent administration" very quickly became the "least transparent," and quite possibly "shady."
2) Obamacare is screwing lots of people over.
3) His "apology tour" really ticked a lot of people off.
4) His wife is the 2nd coming of Imelda Marcos, and her out-of-touch school lunch mandate made a lot of people hate her.
5) Over $100 million taxpayer dollars have been spent on Obama vacations.
 
Velvet Elvis said:
Obama ended up not being as leftist as he could have been. That's not why people think he's the worst president ever.

1) His "most transparent administration" very quickly became the "least transparent," and quite possibly "shady."
2) Obamacare is screwing lots of people over.
3) His "apology tour" really ticked a lot of people off.
4) His wife is the 2nd coming of Imelda Marcos, and her out-of-touch school lunch mandate made a lot of people hate her.
5) Over $100 million taxpayer dollars have been spent on Obama vacations.
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The guy has been a fine president...and managed to accomplish things despite the incredible obstructionism of the Republican Party in the congress.

I really happy we are going to have what amount to a continuation of his administration when Hillary Clinton takes over.
 
Gaius46 said:
No he isn't. He's relatively moderate as those on left go. But then considering that you call yourself very conservative anyone left of Reagan is probably a communist by your measure.
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BO is a radical leftist among a whole gaggle of the worthless pukes in Washington.
 
Redress said:
You know, I do not think I have ever before heard the idea that not preparing is somehow a virtue...
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It apparently works for Kanye West, who one day will likely be a candidate for the Democrat nomination - so we'll see if it's a right wing phenomenon, or as I believe, an American one.
 
GunFora said:
I agree with the entitled part....hence...Obama. Hence, Bernie and Hillary supporters. The self-entitled loons you refer to are lefties who believe the government owes them stuff....MY stuff.
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"Lefties", unfortunately, aren't the only ones who believe that government owes them stuff - "righties" just believe they're owed different stuff. Being owed stuff is a generational phenomenon and not just in America. If you think Trump isn't promising "stuff" to his supporters, you haven't been paying attention.
 
CanadaJohn said:
It apparently works for Kanye West, who one day will likely be a candidate for the Democrat nomination - so we'll see if it's a right wing phenomenon, or as I believe, an American one.
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That is about as likely as Edmonton winning another stanley cup...
 
GunFora said:
you can thank the entire 8-year Obama administration for their divisive, socialist agenda. The People are tired of it all. We are sick of the far-left wing cronies. Sick of the GOP establishment who are nothing more than left wing cronies in disguise. Don't get me wrong...I am NOT a fan of Trump. I'm a Ted Cruz guy.
Any thoughts on why Trump is doing as well as he is?

Remember....Carter gave us Reagan.
Does your Obama '12 bumper sticker make you feel stupid yet?
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Trump is doing well because he got the reality TV vote. This 2009 music video, which even references Trump shows the demographic he has tapped into.

 
CanadaJohn said:
"Lefties", unfortunately, aren't the only ones who believe that government owes them stuff - "righties" just believe they're owed different stuff. Being owed stuff is a generational phenomenon and not just in America. If you think Trump isn't promising "stuff" to his supporters, you haven't been paying attention.
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The difference between the right and left here is that the left wants the government to give them 'stuff' personally. The right wants government to fix itself and run efficiently and effectively and support conditions that allow people to live their lives as they choose and have opportunity to earn their own stuff. If you see that as just 'different stuff', I would respectfully disagree.
 
Frank Apisa said:
The guy has been a fine president...and managed to accomplish things despite the incredible obstructionism of the Republican Party in the congress.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. He has STILL been one of the worst presidents of all time (secretly, he wishes he were a King). Just because y'all democrats worship him like teenage girls worship Justin Bieber, doesn't make him a fine president (or Bieber a fine individual). He's spent the last seven years driving our foreign policy in reverse. Making enemies of our allies, and showing cowardice to our enemies. He's been full of empty promises. He's been shady and secretive. His administration distorts unemployment stats to hoodwink you suckers into thinking everything's hunky dory. ...and we have to deal with his megalomaniac wife.

I really happy we are going to have what amount to a continuation of his administration when Hillary Clinton takes over.
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Well, just remember that my vote will cancel yours out.
 
Thread: IF Trump gets the GOP nom. and wins the general....
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We get kicked out of NATO, first off.
Trump's NATO Policy Would Shoot the U.S. in the Foot

Donald Trump, the front-runner for the GOP presidential nomination, is no fan of NATO. In recent weeks, he’s suggested that U.S. involvement in the alliance may need to be reduced. “NATO is costing us a fortune,” Trump said in an interview with the Washington Post, “and yes, we’re protecting Europe with NATO, but we’re spending a lot of money.”
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I'm no fan of NATO, but what better way to finish-off the U.S. in the eyes of the world than having us cold-turkey ****ing Nato. ****ing NATO.

It wouldn't be long before his cozy relationship with Herr Putin is all over the news, U.S. nukes overseas go missing, and next thing you know - someone bombs Tyndall, Colorado Springs and Airbase McChord and shuts down NORAD. After President Trump is overthrown, and after the U.S. is shattered into any number of warring factions, it wouldn't be hard to justify a multilateral invasion of the United States by Russia and NATO, the latter spearheaded by (VERY ****ING TERRIFYING) Norwegian Marinejegerkommandoen leading the Visegrad and Nordic Battlegroups backed up by any number of friendly national forces, and that would be the least of our problems with the Russians launching an invasion of isolated Alaska, Hawaii and California.

So, yeah, the fallout after overthrowing a Trump regime would result in the US becoming Balkanized and sandwiched between two warring factions fighting for control over the new Middle-East. It would literally be World War America and America loses every post-President Trump scenario.
 
Velvet Elvis said:
Whoa, whoa, whoa. He has STILL been one of the worst presidents of all time (secretly, he wishes he were a King). Just because y'all democrats worship him like teenage girls worship Justin Bieber, doesn't make him a fine president (or Bieber a fine individual). He's spent the last seven years driving our foreign policy in reverse. Making enemies of our allies, and showing cowardice to our enemies. He's been full of empty promises. He's been shady and secretive. His administration distorts unemployment stats to hoodwink you suckers into thinking everything's hunky dory. ...and we have to deal with his megalomaniac wife.
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He has been a fine president...better than any president the Republicans have put into office since Eisenhower, in my opinion.

Not sure what that "megalomaniac wife" comment was all about, but I think your train has run off the tracks.


Well, just remember that my vote will cancel yours out.
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I doubt that...unless you live in "midwest" New Jersey.
 
CanadaJohn said:
"Lefties", unfortunately, aren't the only ones who believe that government owes them stuff - "righties" just believe they're owed different stuff. Being owed stuff is a generational phenomenon and not just in America. If you think Trump isn't promising "stuff" to his supporters, you haven't been paying attention.
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Trump is a LIB....would you expect anything more?
 
tres borrachos said:
Nothing I guess. They're actually moderate. Maybe far left. Most religious people who want to bring their religious beliefs into their governing are far left.
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I'd have to disagree that Cruz is a moderate. He's the most truly conservative candidate we've seen since RR.
 
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