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Why do liberal radio and tv shows do so poorly?

Fletch said:
That's fine. But then you shouldn't pass yourself off as someone who knows what happens on conservative talk shows then--which was my point. If there is a thread about the View, you wont see me comment since I have never watched it. As for talk radio, the universe is far larger than Limbaugh--who is actually nowhere near the best or most informative. He does tend to say things in a manner that will get him noticed but he is anything but an intellectual heavyweight despite the fact that his scale may say otherwise lol
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I have listened to conservative talk radio enough to know what goes on though, more than any other political talk show in fact (with the possible exception of the shows on Comedy Central, with John Stewart and Stephen Colbert). It takes half an hour to get to work from my house. That's a lot of talking about issues from a conservative viewpoint. If those other guys are conservative hosts they aren't at the top of the list. The ones I have listened to are and are angry people who generally confirm what their listeners want to hear.
 
disneydude said:
Considering that most radio programs are on during the day when most people are at work...I think it is pretty obvious. The average age of the audience of the drug addicted gas bag is probably around 75.
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In other words, you have no evidence. Got it.

People don't listen to the radio at work?
 
code1211 said:
The quality of talk radio is interesting.

I think that sports talk radio is demonstrative of the Genre in that it has the time and freedom to really drill into any topic. Talking about the relative value of one college QB in the Draft over another is perfect for radio. TV? not so much.

In Conservative talk radio, they seem to drill into a topic and beat it to death. However, the drilling is into topics with the personalities of the opposition being secondary.

Liberal talk radio seems to be more concerned with attacking the people and the topics are secondary.

Both are completely biased and the personality of the host seems to be what drives the popularity, but the approach seems to be at the basis of the relative popularity of the examples. Pretty much just like the popular sports talk shows.

When the topic is the event or the idea, then the show seems to prosper. When the topic is the hated other person, the show seems to fail.
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Except you are wrong. The top conservative talk shows are very much about attacking other groups. Some of the ones lower down might not do this, but the top ones do.
 
countryboy said:
In other words, you have no evidence. Got it.

People don't listen to the radio at work?
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Probably a few do. I don't think the majority of people do. I don't know anyone under the age of 70 that listens to right-wing radio.
 
roguenuke said:
Those conservatives are trying to change things to the past. They want to maintain the past, their past beliefs as laws, like they used to have. The fight is maintaining the victories that have been gained. Abortion is a fight that is generally going to keep going on for a while.

You act as if those on the right are young. The majority of the leadership are older than Bernie. The Presidential candidates are a joke this year, on all sides.
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The candidates are a joke every year. The saying that we have a choice between the "Evil of Two Lessers" was around when I was much, much younger.

I feel like all of these social issue arguments are just so much posturing to get our money. My thing is the expenses involved.

I really don't care what anyone does as long is no harm is done to others. I just don't want to have to pay for their stupidity and mistakes.

Upon further review, I see, you realize that the two sides are merely trying to maintain what they want to maintain. Give even more review and you'll find that the view points of the two parties change to suit the current cash flow.

I don't recall the exact issue right now, but at the time, it was quite amusing. Clinton proposed some idea that would have resulted in reduced Federal Spending. The Republicans were enraged by his proposal.

About three years later, Bush proposed it and the Dems were apoplectic over it. Some of the punctuation was moved around a little.

It not the right and wrong- it's the dollars and cents.
 
TurtleDude said:
Don't listen to limbaugh

99% of the time-when Limbaugh is mentioned on this board over the last 11 years-its been by a liberal
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Yeah....he's pretty irrelevant any more. His audience is dying out.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
I never said it was 100%, 1 way or the other. Nothing ever is. I know cons who haven't been in a church in decades. But they still quote the Bible when they talk about gays.
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I am a Conservative and therefore unaffilliated with any party.

I support the right of all people to seek happiness in any way that does not harm others.

As it happens, I am not wired to seek or appreciate the favors of another of my gender. I don't think I could be reformed. I don't think Gays could be reformed either.

As far as a religious justification, if God made them that way, then that's the way He made them. Got a problem with that? Take it to Him.
 
code1211 said:
That's not what I am doing.

You said that the Conservatives are trying to maintain what is and Liberals are trying to change things.

Exactly the opposite is true.

You say this in your response, but apparently have no clue what you said. It's okay to recognize what is real. It's hard to be a Liberal and do so, but it is okay.
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That is exactly what you are doing. You're blaming the Libs for still fighting the abortion and civil rights battle, but excusing the Republicans who are the reason we are still fighting those battles.

Anyway. We beat this to death. Have a nice day.
 
disneydude said:
Yeah....he's pretty irrelevant any more. His audience is dying out.
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Sure, if 13+ million listeners per week is considered "dying out". :roll: He is so "irrelevant" in fact, he still has the largest audience of any radio talk show host.
 
Jack Hays said:
Because mainstream media are fundamentally liberal, liberals have no need to seek ideologically specific media. Conservatives, on the other hand, can only get a conservative viewpoint via explicitly conservative broadcasters. Thus, conservatives support conservative programming in a way that liberals do not support liberal programming -- or need to.
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A story that reviews the outrage over the injustice a video of a policeman shooting a youth is easy to present.

Presenting a concise piece on the outrage of out of control federal spending is pretty difficult.

Liberal media is lazy media.
 
code1211 said:
I support the right of all people to seek happiness in any way that does not harm others.

As it happens, I am not wired to seek or appreciate the favors of another of my gender. I don't think I could be reformed. I don't think Gays could be reformed either.

As far as a religious justification, if God made them that way, then that's the way He made them. Got a problem with that? Take it to Him.
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Yep, that we agree on. 4-5% of the human population has been homosexual since we walked the earth. Praying, begging, legislating, electrical shock, whatever, none of that will change that %.

That's why I have such a hard time with the modern GOP and their war on gays. I understand they do it for votes and to rile up the troops. But in the long run it's a losing battle. But I guess when they lose that battle, they'll move onto some other bogeyman.
 
Grand Mal said:
How do you know you're conservative?
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It's my opinion.

I am generally possessed of the idea that actions have consequence, that effort will produce results, that words have meanings, and that if I want something, I should work to get it.

I am further possessed of the idea that Liberals believe that bad consequence is unrelated to previous action, that results are only a matter of luck, that words mean whatever the situation demands and that rewards should go equally to all regardless of effort.

I also believe that absent compelling reasons to depart from this idea, all things purchased should be paid for with no debt.

Does this make me a Liberal or a Conservative by today's understanding of the two labels?
 
roguenuke said:
Abortion has varying viewpoints by liberals, with everything from abortions only up to 2nd trimester or viability to full term abortions, support and opposition for abortions based on race, sex, or deformity of child, funding of abortions, and more.
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Are any Liberals 100% opposed to all abortions all the time for all people?
 
countryboy said:
In other words, you have no evidence. Got it.

People don't listen to the radio at work?
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Most work places don't allow political talk shows to be played at work since such things could cause issues.
 
code1211 said:
It's my opinion.

I am generally possessed of the idea that actions have consequence, that effort will produce results, that words have meanings, and that if I want something, I should work to get it.

I am further possessed of the idea that Liberals believe that bad consequence is unrelated to previous action, that results are only a matter of luck, that words mean whatever the situation demands and that rewards should go equally to all regardless of effort.

I also believe that absent compelling reasons to depart from this idea, all things purchased should be paid for with no debt.

Does this make me a Liberal or a Conservative by today's understanding of the two labels?
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Depends, I guess, who's doing the 'understanding'.
I'm liberal, have been all my life. Learned it from my father. The best government is the one that stays out of my life. Everything should start out legal and there needs to be a damn good reason to pass a law- eg. drugs, prostitution, gay marriage, etc. I'm not law-abiding- I ignore laws I don't like when I'm sure I can get away with it. Not everything that's 'left' is liberal.
I find that some folks just take every social and political evil they can think of, put them all together and call the pile 'liberalism'. They declare themselves to be conservative because, well, just because, and then espouse some very liberal values.
It's almost like we're not all speaking the same language.
 
roguenuke said:
Except you are wrong. The top conservative talk shows are very much about attacking other groups. Some of the ones lower down might not do this, but the top ones do.
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I've listened to Limbaugh on occasion. He seems to attack the Conservatives he doesn't like more than the Liberals he does not like.

There are various hate mongers locally and nationally that attack individuals with a relentless lack of humor. These folks are very difficult to listen to regardless of political affiliation.

Sticking to the topics with humor seems to be the guiding principle in getting ratings. It worked for Will Rogers and seems to be working today.
 
code1211 said:
Are any Liberals 100% opposed to all abortions all the time for all people?
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Any liberals? Pretty sure you can find some. Just as you can find some conservatives who don't oppose abortion or at least allow for exceptions.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
That is exactly what you are doing. You're blaming the Libs for still fighting the abortion and civil rights battle, but excusing the Republicans who are the reason we are still fighting those battles.

Anyway. We beat this to death. Have a nice day.
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I am not attacking either side or defending either side.

I am merely observing the real world as it currently is.
 
Well they both think they are entitled.

Henrin said:
:lamo Liberals are collectivist little turds that have nothing really in common with cats.
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SenorXm/Sirius said:
Yep, that we agree on. 4-5% of the human population has been homosexual since we walked the earth. Praying, begging, legislating, electrical shock, whatever, none of that will change that %.

That's why I have such a hard time with the modern GOP and their war on gays. I understand they do it for votes and to rile up the troops. But in the long run it's a losing battle. But I guess when they lose that battle, they'll move onto some other bogeyman.
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Again, the two parties are using the gays in their little dance for dollars.

I don't really care to see a couple engaged in sex on my front lawn. It doesn't matter to me if they are straight or gay.

However, the fight for the right the "BGLT Community" is just a campaign for funding. It comes down to civil rights and, again, that ship has already sailed.

The posturing prostitutes trying to steal our money will use this and anything else to fill their pockets.
 
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