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A Second Civil War?

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So I was listening to a Podcast called, "So That Happened," and I strongly encourage you to listen to the weekly podcast from The Huffington Post - particularly if you lean liberal and are a political junky. Anyways, the 3/25 podcast brought on Professor Steve Ross, a professor of history at the University of South California, to discuss the topic of whether Trump is a Fascist (in the historical sense).

The TL;DNL version of his argument is that No, Trump is closer to Jefferson Davis rather than Bernito Moussolini, although Trump is on his way and if Trump starts to bring in guards that are dressed in their own special colored clothing, then all of us should get really, really scared. Moussolini, when he started his campaign, had his own group of black shirts. When Hitler began his Fascist campaign, he established the brown shirts, and the same day, an american started an American Fascist campaign with the creation of silver shirts.

But while he was talking, he argued that Trump represented a potential second civil war. Trump supporters, while not consciously thinking this way perhaps, are copying the preemptive counter revolution of the South during the Civil War. It was preemptive because we know that the South was the first to secede. And why did they secede? There was a clash of two civilizations - one slave and one free - and in 1860, we had a President get elected without a single representative from the slave south. This meant that slave owners, particularly young slave owners, could look to the future where the North and the West could constantly keep electing Presidents, which meant that they could keep appointing new Supreme Court appointees, and that they would eventually abolish slavery. In order to avoid that, the South pulled from the Union.

In the same sense, he argued, we can look to Trump rallies and see massive amounts of white voters - he claims to have never seen a colored trump supporter (which I know is inaccurate, but largely the case demographically) - and thus we have a preemptive white anger (or a certain segment of the white population) who recognize that the future is one where they will be the minority. And this makes them angry. And Trump is the leader - the Jefferson Davis of his own time.

And with Trump suggesting that riots would occur if he is not the GOP nominee and with Trump encouraging violence amongst his supporters and with Trump joking that his followers would support him even if he committed murder, then there is some reason to be concerned.

Do you see any validity to his argument? Are you afraid of a second civil war?
 
MrT said:
Do you see any validity to his argument? Are you afraid of a second civil war?
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Whites are in no way going to be a minority and no this isn't a 2nd civil war brewing.
Could there be violence if he isn't given the nom, even with more delegates, yes probably.

It just seems like this guy is as out of touch as the establishment candidates are.
 
MrT said:
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Not entirely.

If Trump represents anything, it is just people upset for all sorts of reasons. Despite the surface appearance demographics of his supporters pimped by the media, there is an underline attitude about being anti-establishment and the majority of them are both angry and distrustful of present government. Sure, his rhetoric taps into those who really do have various prejudices. But that is not what his support is exclusively about. You take a large enough group of voters who feel alienated, perhaps betrayed in some regard, from our political system and governance and that becomes very powerful when mixed with Trump's own statements. It is neither surprising or unplanned that those voters end up angry enough to be violent themselves. Might be the best example of "us vs. them" mentality we have seen in a political race since Obama's 2008 campaign against all things Republican.

MrT said:
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No. I only concerned about a continued degrade of social and economic interaction leading to increased pockets of conflict and social unrest. The further we go down this road the more that reasonable people are ignored for the rhetoric of division oriented politics.

If I fear anything I fear another round of 1960's and 1970's violence, right down racial lines. More example of the riots in Baltimore and Ferguson.

I doubt it would ever be organized to the point of a second civil war. The context of the period, and the organization of wealth into that type of division was very different then. Hard to even try to apply that to the social and economic climate today.

The ironic part is with the election of this nation's first Black President, we will end up with history recording how far we have not really come in race relations, economic conditions, and social cohesion.
 
MrT said:
So I was listening to a Podcast called, "So That Happened," and I strongly encourage you to listen to the weekly podcast from The Huffington Post - particularly if you lean liberal and are a political junky. Anyways, the 3/25 podcast brought on Professor Steve Ross, a professor of history at the University of South California, to discuss the topic of whether Trump is a Fascist (in the historical sense).

The TL;DNL version of his argument is that No, Trump is closer to Jefferson Davis rather than Bernito Moussolini, although Trump is on his way and if Trump starts to bring in guards that are dressed in their own special colored clothing, then all of us should get really, really scared. Moussolini, when he started his campaign, had his own group of black shirts. When Hitler began his Fascist campaign, he established the brown shirts, and the same day, an american started an American Fascist campaign with the creation of silver shirts.

But while he was talking, he argued that Trump represented a potential second civil war. Trump supporters, while not consciously thinking this way perhaps, are copying the preemptive counter revolution of the South during the Civil War. It was preemptive because we know that the South was the first to secede. And why did they secede? There was a clash of two civilizations - one slave and one free - and in 1860, we had a President get elected without a single representative from the slave south. This meant that slave owners, particularly young slave owners, could look to the future where the North and the West could constantly keep electing Presidents, which meant that they could keep appointing new Supreme Court appointees, and that they would eventually abolish slavery. In order to avoid that, the South pulled from the Union.

In the same sense, he argued, we can look to Trump rallies and see massive amounts of white voters - he claims to have never seen a colored trump supporter (which I know is inaccurate, but largely the case demographically) - and thus we have a preemptive white anger (or a certain segment of the white population) who recognize that the future is one where they will be the minority. And this makes them angry. And Trump is the leader - the Jefferson Davis of his own time.

And with Trump suggesting that riots would occur if he is not the GOP nominee and with Trump encouraging violence amongst his supporters and with Trump joking that his followers would support him even if he committed murder, then there is some reason to be concerned.

Do you see any validity to his argument? Are you afraid of a second civil war?
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There are factions (extreme left and right) that want a civil war. That is because the only way that they could come into power is to eliminate the opposition. That wouldnt be a civil war though. And as divided the country is now, we as a people are not going to stand by and watch someone do that. Look at the Bundy Oregon attempt to start a civil war it died before it even started.

Really talk of civil war is by the ignorant people that believe their own propaganda.
 
To answer the OP question, no. To willingly submit to listening to the guy in the OP story based on the OP's quotes of the guy's babbling BS of connecting unrelated dots to foment the left to hoop and holler? Again, no.
 
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