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Slate: Racism Gave us Trump

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Slate goes there. "It’s not just anger over jobs and immigration. White voters hope Trump will restore the racial hierarchy upended by Barack Obama."

Calling Trump the racial backlash presidential candidate? Basically, the argument goes, he's the much needed antidote to 8 years of Barack O'Black. Maybe it's true.

How Donald Trump happened: Racism against Barack Obama.

...Barack Obama is many things, but conservative rhetoric aside, he’s no radical.

We can’t say the same for Obama as a political symbol, however. In a nation shaped and defined by a rigid racial hierarchy, his election was very much a radical event, in which a man from one of the nation’s lowest castes ascended to the summit of its political landscape. And he did so with heavy support from minorities...

For millions of white Americans who weren’t attuned to growing diversity and cosmopolitanism, however, Obama was a shock, a figure who appeared out of nowhere to dominate the country’s political life. And with talk of an “emerging Democratic majority,” he presaged a time when their votes—which had elected George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush, and Ronald Reagan—would no longer matter. More than simply “change,” Obama’s election felt like an inversion.
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Slate.
 
Sounds possible, but i'm skeptical if it's plausible.
 
calamity said:
Slate goes there. "It’s not just anger over jobs and immigration. White voters hope Trump will restore the racial hierarchy upended by Barack Obama."

Calling Trump the racial backlash presidential candidate? Basically, the argument goes, he's the much needed antidote to 8 years of Barack O'Black. Maybe it's true.

How Donald Trump happened: Racism against Barack Obama.
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Because nothing upended the racial hierarchy like Barack Obama's 12.5% unemployment rate among African Americans. :roll:

Barack O'Black. With sophisticated lines like that I can't grab the next slate article...if I ever run out of toilet paper.
 
reinoe said:
Because nothing upended the racial hierarchy like Barack Obama's 12.5% unemployment rate among African Americans. :roll:

Barack O'Black. With sophisticated lines like that I can't grab the next slate article...if I ever run out of toilet paper.
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Barack O'Black is mine. Wipe away. :)

My first thought while reading the article was pragmatic. How would this have played out if our first Black president was a Republican, say a Carson or Steele? Of course that opened up a series of other questions.

Primary among them is this. If our first Black president was someone most Blacks disliked and voted against, someone like Thomas, would all the flipped out Whites--think Tea Party nutjobs with their patriot hats---who overstate the threat Obama posed to the US have stayed quiet? I'm thinking yes. So, that means that the threat is less a black president, than it is a president who represents Blacks.
 
Trump’s campaign can best be understood not as an outlier but as the latest manifestation of the Southern Strategy,
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Somebody forgot to tell the writer about Hillary's wins in: South Carolina, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Texas, and Louisiana. She's also expected to win in North Carolina. She has won all these states by a comically huge margin against Bernie Sanders despite him fighting for civil rights his entire political career.
 
calamity said:
Slate goes there. "It’s not just anger over jobs and immigration. White voters hope Trump will restore the racial hierarchy upended by Barack Obama."

Calling Trump the racial backlash presidential candidate? Basically, the argument goes, he's the much needed antidote to 8 years of Barack O'Black. Maybe it's true.

How Donald Trump happened: Racism against Barack Obama.
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Personally I think it has nothing to do with racism. Nobody's race comes to mind to me when I think Trump or anybody on the GOP ticket. Race relations are simply not on my radar when it comes to this election and I'm guessing that is true for the vast majority of Trump supporters. I'm sick of an out of control, bloated, ineffective, inefficient, incompetent, and increasingly expensive and overreaching government. I fear for our liberties and our Constitution if one more radical leftist goes on the Supreme Court. I would like to see the young ones coming out of high school and college having a choice of good jobs to go to. I am sick of rich old guys sending our best and brightest to stupid wars where nothing is accomplished.
 
Absentglare said:
Sounds possible, but i'm skeptical if it's plausible.
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If this data is true, and I have no reason to doubt that it is, it does render the author's argument persuasive.

Other research points to the degree to which Obama’s election seems to have exacerbated racial animus among white voters. In a paper titled “The Impact of Anti-Black Racism on Approval of Barack Obama’s Job Performance and on Voting in the 2012 Presidential Election,” a trio of researchers found a substantial increase in the number of voters with anti-black attitudes, which rose from 47.6 percent in 2008 to 50.9 percent in 2012. “The proportion of people expressing anti-Black attitudes,” they write, “was 32 percent among Democrats, 48 percent among independents, and 79 percent among Republicans.”
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reinoe said:
Somebody forgot to tell the writer about Hillary's wins in: South Carolina, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Texas, and Louisiana. She's also expected to win in North Carolina. She has won all these states by a comically huge margin against Bernie Sanders despite him fighting for civil rights his entire political career.
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Maybe the dems in the South are voting for a candidate they think can win in the general, and not someone who too radical for a more traditional South.

Ahhh unlike the Trumpers... ;)
 
AlbqOwl said:
Personally I think it has nothing to do with racism. Nobody's race comes to mind to me when I think Trump or anybody on the GOP ticket. Race relations are simply not on my radar when it comes to this election and I'm guessing that is true for the vast majority of Trump supporters. I'm sick of an out of control, bloated, ineffective, inefficient, incompetent, and increasingly expensive and overreaching government. I fear for our liberties and our Constitution if one more radical leftist goes on the Supreme Court. I would like to see the young ones coming out of high school and college having a choice of good jobs to go to. I am sick of rich old guys sending our best and brightest to stupid wars where nothing is accomplished.
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But, Obama hasn't appointed radicals to the Supreme Court. He appointed two somewhat Left leaning judges, just like George W placed two Right leaning judges on the bench during his term. And...in a way, this false sense that Obama is a radical making radical moves is the gist of the author's argument.

Why is Obama perceived as not only a Radical, but also as a Muslim and a foreign born illegitimate president (which is what Trump supporters believe in high numbers: 62% and 61% respectively)?

But, if you want to say it's more a Left-Right thing than a Black-White thing...I'll entertain that argument.
 
reinoe said:
Somebody forgot to tell the writer about Hillary's wins in: South Carolina, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Texas, and Louisiana. She's also expected to win in North Carolina. She has won all these states by a comically huge margin against Bernie Sanders despite him fighting for civil rights his entire political career.
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She's winning those in the D primary. We all know she will never win those states in a general election...except maybe NC. And, I seriously doubt she can win that state.
 
The Slate article talks about Trump's prominent advocacy of the "birther" conspiracy theory, and takes this as evidence that Trump is a new and special type of Republican politician who embodies an anti-black racist backlash against Obama, involving pathologies like "status threat" and "white fragility." This seems pretty weak to me for a couple of reasons.

First, it puts all the emphasis on anti-black racism, when Trump's emphasis is on Latinos and Muslims.

Second, Trump's anti-black racism is not new. The birther stuff is coded racism, just like Willie Horton and welfare queens were coded racism.

What's new about Trump is (1) his intense bigotry against Muslims and Latinos, which is overt and not coded; and (2) specific actions that he advocates against Muslims and Latinos, such as closing down mosques and threatening nuclear war against Mexico. (No, I'm not making that up.)
 
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Maybe the dems in the South are voting for a candidate they think can win in the general, and not someone who too radical for a more traditional South.

Ahhh unlike the Trumpers... ;)
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Speaking of the South. I never knew of this statistical correlation.

...researchers have found a direct and robust connection between a given county’s proportion of enslaved people before emancipation and its present-day Republican vote share. The more slaves held in a given area, the more Republican votes.
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If true, then we have a direct link between the GOP and overt racism.
 
Ben Crowell said:
The Slate article talks about Trump's prominent advocacy of the "birther" conspiracy theory, and takes this as evidence that Trump is a new and special type of Republican politician who embodies an anti-black racist backlash against Obama, involving pathologies like "status threat" and "white fragility." This seems pretty weak to me for a couple of reasons.

First, it puts all the emphasis on anti-black racism, when Trump's emphasis is on Latinos and Muslims.

Second, Trump's anti-black racism is not new. The birther stuff is coded racism, just like Willie Horton and welfare queens were coded racism.

What's new about Trump is (1) his intense bigotry against Muslims and Latinos, which is overt and not coded; and (2) specific actions that he advocates against Muslims and Latinos, such as closing down mosques and threatening nuclear war against Mexico. (No, I'm not making that up.)
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I guess it could be said that Trump is pulling all the bigots in under one big hate-filled tent.
 
calamity said:
She's winning those in the D primary. We all know she will never win those states in a general election...except maybe NC. And, I seriously doubt she can win that state.
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I'm glad those states don't matter
 
calamity said:
If this data is true, and I have no reason to doubt that it is, it does render the author's argument persuasive.
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Oh, i don't doubt that race is a factor for some republicans, i just doubt that it's an important factor for the average Trump supporter.
 
Absentglare said:
Oh, i don't doubt that race is a factor for some republicans, i just doubt that it's an important factor for the average Trump supporter.
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Blacks, Mexicans, Muslims...call it the Archie Bunker coalition. There's a good chance that at least 30% of his supporters fit that mold.
 
More brain dead insults from the left.

GReat for trump, not good for journalism, or the coastal elite.
 
calamity said:
I guess it could be said that Trump is pulling all the bigots in under one big hate-filled tent.
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You can say anything you want. Does not mean that it is true. And you are wrong here.
 
calamity said:
But, Obama hasn't appointed radicals to the Supreme Court. He appointed two somewhat Left leaning judges, just like George W placed two Right leaning judges on the bench during his term. And...in a way, this false sense that Obama is a radical making radical moves is the gist of the author's argument.

Why is Obama perceived as not only a Radical, but also as a Muslim and a foreign born illegitimate president (which is what Trump supporters believe in high numbers: 62% and 61% respectively)?

But, if you want to say it's more a Left-Right thing than a Black-White thing...I'll entertain that argument.
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Obama does not say " I want the best person I can get for the job", he says " I want someone who will follow my will, and they better not be a white guy".

THAT is the problem.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
You can say anything you want. Does not mean that it is true. And you are wrong here.
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I don't have to say it. The numbers speak for themselves.

Poll Proves Trump?s Supporters Really ARE Racist, Uneducated, Hateful Buffoons

Nearly half of GOP-leaning respondents in the poll — 47 percent — both support the deportation of undocumented immigrants and oppose accepting refugees from Syria and other Mideast conflicts. If a GOP-leaning voter supports deportation, there is a 79 percent chance she or he also opposes Syrian refugees, compared with 54 percent if they oppose deportation.

Trump has captured the support of 51 percent of those overlapping voters, compared with 16 percent among all other Republican voters. Put another way, pro-deportation/anti-refugee voters account for almost three-quarters of Trump’s support. (He’s polling at 32 percent overall in the Post-ABC poll.)
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Hawkeye10 said:
Obama does not say " I want the best person I can get for the job", he says " I want someone who will follow my will, and they better not be a white guy".

THAT is the problem.
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Bush appointed two White guys. Where was your outrage then?
 
calamity said:
I don't have to say it. The numbers speak for themselves.

Poll Proves Trump?s Supporters Really ARE Racist, Uneducated, Hateful Buffoons
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That does not mean they are racist, because it could mean only that they are not stupid. The argument must be won,and so far it has not, the path that represents reason and logic can not at this moment be named.

What we have is dim wits who constantly yell that they know, and that we must believe them, forgoing an examination of the facts and the evidence.

No.
 
calamity said:
Bush appointed two White guys. Where was your outrage then?
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Irrelevant, this is not about me and two wrongs dont make a right.

Dude, generally you are on the ball, but dang, you need to do a rethink here cause you are way wrong in defending Obama's fidelity to genetic prejudice.
 
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