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Right Wing Spin Machine Created Trump

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It's pretty obvious to me where all the anger driving the Trump supporters came from. I've said it before. Drag red meat through a trailer park, without feeding anyone, don't be shocked when the inhabitants begin turning on you.

For years, all we heard was how terrible Obama is. And, for years, all those people who believed it the most saw the ones saying it do absolutely nothing to stop him. First they came for Cantor. Then they came for Boehner. Then Rubio...and, now the entire GOP itself is in their sights.

Is anyone actually surprised?

Remember, Rubio is the candidate who says President Barack Obama is "undermining this country" as "part of a plan to weaken America on the global stage." Rubio says of Obama that "all this damage that he's done to America is deliberate." He attacked the president's choice to speak at a mosque as an example of his "constant pitting people against each other," which is "hurting our country badly."

Last month, when CNN asked Rubio's spokesman Alex Conant whether the senator believes Obama is "intentionally trying to destroy the country," Conant said "absolutely."

So who, exactly, is feeding into the narrative of bitterness, anger, and frustration?

This is an aspect of Trumpism that establishment Republicans like Rubio have failed to reckon with. They have spent seven years running around the country, accusing the president of being a fifth columnist hell bent on destroying our country. If Obama's America were as bad as people like Rubio say it is, the civil unrest fomented by Trump would be justified.

Marco Rubio paved the way for Donald Trump - Business Insider
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Lemme get some popcorn. I'll be right back.
 
poor GOP gewbs look in the mirror and don't like what they see. their only other choice is to get more progressive.

RIP
 
"Right Wing Spin Machine Created Trump"

I think it is safe to say that Trump's parents created him. But to respond to the OP, his popularity results from peoples' dissatisfaction with federal government and their thought that Trump might go to Washington and blow the place up. I'm not sure that would result but there is no doubt in my mind that blowing it up is necessary.
 
fmw said:
"Right Wing Spin Machine Created Trump"

I think it is safe to say that Trump's parents created him. But to respond to the OP, his popularity results from peoples' dissatisfaction with federal government and their thought that Trump might go to Washington and blow the place up. I'm not sure that would result but there is no doubt in my mind that blowing it up is necessary.
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I probably won't disagree with that. I spent a few hours listening to his speeches, from Dayton to KC, last night, and he talks a good game. His plan to rewrite trade deals, so that we get the better end of them, resonates here in Ohio, that's for sure.

We have all seen thousands of factories and millions of jobs leave the US for places like Mexico and China. We all see illegal immigrants filling the barrios, live 10 to a house in many neighborhoods, commit violent crimes, drive on our highways and take millions of jobs that used to pay fairly well: meatpacking, housecleaning, drywall, roofing, framing, landscaping, etc. And, of course, we all know damned well what radical Muslims can do if they are not watched with the eyes of a hawk.

So, I get it. But, what people in the GOP aren't getting is that the rhetoric they spewed for years has finally caught up with them. The lions have turned on the tamers.
 
Militant_Vegan_ said:
poor GOP gewbs look in the mirror and don't like what they see. their only other choice is to get more progressive.

RIP
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It reminds me of a kid playing with matches in the closet suddenly being surprised that the house burned down.
 
If satisfaction with Obama, and his loyal follower (heir apparent?) Hillary, was reality (the message from the left wing spin machine) then why is Sanders so popular and yet demorat primary voter turnout so low?

Both major parties are (finally?) seeing the voters doubting their wisdom of "staying the course". What is making voters turn to alternative candidates is driven by the real decline in wages. Obama was elected (largely?) based on his promise to "fundamentally transform America" - the fact that establishment candidates are not being accepted has little to do with media spin and a lot to do with economic (and foreign policy) reality.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
If satisfaction with Obama, and his loyal follower (heir apparent?) Hillary, was reality (the message from the left wing spin machine) then why is Sanders so popular and yet demorat primary voter turnout so low?

Both major parties are (finally?) seeing the voters doubting their wisdom of "staying the course". What is making voters turn to alternative candidates is driven by the real decline in wages. Obama was elected (largely?) based on his promise to "fundamentally transform America" - the fact that establishment candidates are not being accepted has little to do with media spin and a lot to do with economic (and foreign policy) reality.
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Obama won because his opponents were buffoons
 
I think the ideological right wing, those same folk now pissed off about Trump, created him.

By demanding ideological purity and making it out to seem that any compromise with Democrats was an evil act and by extension the right wing media that parroted that sentiment, Congress became paralyzed, both McCain and Romney were pushed so far right by the primaries they could no longer appeal as much to moderates and independents and completely annihilated some of the inroads the Bush campaigns had made in the Hispanic community.

They lost both presidential races AND they couldn't pass hardly anything they wanted through congress because... Of course they couldn't, they wanted all or nothing with no compromise.

And now in frustration many turn to a madman... Well, ideological purists... You only have yourself to blame.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I think the ideological right wing, those same folk now pissed off about Trump, created him.

By demanding ideological purity and making it out to seem that any compromise with Democrats was an evil act and by extension the right wing media that parroted that sentiment, Congress became paralyzed, both McCain and Romney were pushed so far right by the primaries they could no longer appeal as much to moderates and independents and completely annihilated some of the inroads the Bush campaigns had made in the Hispanic community.

They lost both presidential races AND they couldn't pass hardly anything they wanted through congress because... Of course they couldn't, they wanted all or nothing with no compromise.

And now in frustration many turn to a madman... Well, ideological purists... You only have yourself to blame.
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Yep. When you paint the opposition as the second coming of Lenin, Trotsky, Marx, et al., you have to expect the worst when the people fooled into believing that nonsense see that those they elected fail to stop the "radicals." In their minds, the representatives they elected do nothing while Obama burns the country to the ground.

The writing was on the wall when they ousted Boehner. John is a dyed in the wool conservative. When you start calling him a RINO, you know you've lost your grip on reality.

Meet the Right-Wing Rebels Who Overthrew John Boehner | Rolling Stone
 
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and folks like Rush Limbaugh who influenced all these fools laugh all the way to the bank
 
calamity said:
It's pretty obvious to me where all the anger driving the Trump supporters came from. I've said it before. Drag red meat through a trailer park, without feeding anyone, don't be shocked when the inhabitants begin turning on you.

For years, all we heard was how terrible Obama is. And, for years, all those people who believed it the most saw the ones saying it do absolutely nothing to stop him. First they came for Cantor. Then they came for Boehner. Then Rubio...and, now the entire GOP itself is in their sights.

Is anyone actually surprised?
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With a lot of help from the MSM. Hell, the so-called "liberal" MSNBC is practically Trump live network. All the free air time any candidate would dream of. His candidacy would've been dead from the start if these "news" networks weren't so inseparable from Trump.
 
poweRob said:
With a lot of help from the MSM. Hell, the so-called "liberal" MSNBC is practically Trump live network. All the free air time any candidate would dream of.
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And most of the political junkies, like moi, are watching it. It is good theater, even though it is disgusting politics.
 
Frank Apisa said:
And most of the political junkies, like moi, are watching it. It is good theater, even though it is disgusting politics.
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It's gotten really sad. He's basically admitting that the more outrageous you act in politics the more he promises to cover and promote you for his own personal gain.

CBS CEO on Trump Campaign: It ‘May Not be Good for America, but It’s Damn Good for CBS’

The “good thing,” he pointed out, was not necessarily Trump’s campaign stance, but the ad revenue that was driven up by the increased viewership drawn in by the back-and-forth between Trump and other candidates. He has said similar things about Trump and the election season in the past.

He observed, “They’re not discussing issues, they’re throwing bombs at each other.” Moonves has been outspoken in the past about the important role played by partisanship in journalism now, so his comments are not all too surprising.

In fact, he’s used almost identical wording before. In 2013, he said, “Super PACs may be bad for America, but they’re good for CBS!” It looks like this time, he just eliminated the middle man and went straight for the self-funding mogul.​
 
poweRob said:
With a lot of help from the MSM. Hell, the so-called "liberal" MSNBC is practically Trump live network. All the free air time any candidate would dream of. His candidacy would've been dead from the start if these "news" networks weren't so inseparable from Trump.
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How can they not cover it?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
If satisfaction with Obama, and his loyal follower (heir apparent?) Hillary, was reality (the message from the left wing spin machine) then why is Sanders so popular and yet demorat primary voter turnout so low?

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Not sure, but maybe....just maybe ... Democrats switched parties for the primary only ...just to throw the election to Trump ,
Thinking that would garentee a Democrate in the White House for the next 4 years.
 
minnie616 said:
Not sure, but maybe....just maybe ... Democrats switched parties for the primary only ...just to throw the election to Trump ,
Thinking that would garentee a Democrate in the White House for the next 4 years.
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That would explain the low turnout on the D side. My wife and I were discussing this the other night. Basically, the thought process was: are all those people voting for Trump in the primary really going to vote for him in November?
 
The GOP and especially the tea party where very clear when during the elections of 2010 and 2012. They wanted change - and not the hopey changey change that obama peddled. When even those they elected sold out to the staus quo - with a few wxceptions like Cruz, they turned on the establishment. This is why you have Trump and Cruz leading the primaries and all establishment candidates gone.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I think the ideological right wing, those same folk now pissed off about Trump, created him.

By demanding ideological purity and making it out to seem that any compromise with Democrats was an evil act and by extension the right wing media that parroted that sentiment, Congress became paralyzed, both McCain and Romney were pushed so far right by the primaries they could no longer appeal as much to moderates and independents and completely annihilated some of the inroads the Bush campaigns had made in the Hispanic community.

They lost both presidential races AND they couldn't pass hardly anything they wanted through congress because... Of course they couldn't, they wanted all or nothing with no compromise.

And now in frustration many turn to a madman... Well, ideological purists... You only have yourself to blame.
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That's false, but a typical liberal view of things. But that is what happens when you guys don't listen to anyone outside of the MSNBC echo chamber. Like a typical big government liberal, you think the anger on the right is based upon government 'paralysis.' The opposite is true. In fact, liberals are so blind to reality that they don't see how Trump and Sanders are striking the exact same chord. Cruz is the product of the Tea Party/ideological right wing, not Trump. Trump, like Sanders, is the product of A general discontent with government policy that clearly pervades both parties. Both men are popular because they are the only two people in the race whose message is economic in nature.

When Trump speaks, liberal hear only bigotry. But that's because that is all liberals are ever trained to hear. And making an argument beyond 'hes a racist' is not something the typical liberal is bright enough to make. Trump is popular for reasons liberals cannot fathom so they condense their pettiness down to empty slogans, smears and now, finally, violent mob behavior.

But to be clear, I am not a fan of Trump and think he would likely make a bad president, but for entirely different reasons than the those put forth by baffled liberals.
 
Fletch said:
That's false, but a typical liberal view of things. But that is what happens when you guys don't listen to anyone outside of the MSNBC echo chamber. Like a typical big government liberal, you think the anger on the right is based upon government 'paralysis.' The opposite is true. In fact, liberals are so blind to reality that they don't see how Trump and Sanders are striking the exact same chord. Cruz is the product of the Tea Party/ideological right wing, not Trump. Trump, like Sanders, is the product of A general discontent with government policy that clearly pervades both parties. Both men are popular because they are the only two people in the race whose message is economic in nature.

When Trump speaks, liberal hear only bigotry. But that's because that is all liberals are ever trained to hear. And making an argument beyond 'hes a racist' is not something the typical liberal is bright enough to make. Trump is popular for reasons liberals cannot fathom so they condense their pettiness down to empty slogans, smears and now, finally, violent mob behavior.

But to be clear, I am not a fan of Trump and think he would likely make a bad president, but for entirely different reasons than the those put forth by baffled liberals.
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It ain't the "baffled liberals" you guys oughta be concerned with. The baffled conservatives are what you have to focus on.

What a circular firing squad this group is.
 
Fletch said:
That's false, but a typical liberal view of things. But that is what happens when you guys don't listen to anyone outside of the MSNBC echo chamber. Like a typical big government liberal, you think the anger on the right is based upon government 'paralysis.' The opposite is true. In fact, liberals are so blind to reality that they don't see how Trump and Sanders are striking the exact same chord. Cruz is the product of the Tea Party/ideological right wing, not Trump. Trump, like Sanders, is the product of A general discontent with government policy that clearly pervades both parties. Both men are popular because they are the only two people in the race whose message is economic in nature.

When Trump speaks, liberal hear only bigotry. But that's because that is all liberals are ever trained to hear. And making an argument beyond 'hes a racist' is not something the typical liberal is bright enough to make. Trump is popular for reasons liberals cannot fathom so they condense their pettiness down to empty slogans, smears and now, finally, violent mob behavior.

But to be clear, I am not a fan of Trump and think he would likely make a bad president, but for entirely different reasons than the those put forth by baffled liberals.
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You want to brush off the fact that Trump has tapped into the darkest side of American populism :shrug:

Bernie is the only candidate who actually wants to address the very inequitable nature of the American economy... I know many on the right are still stuck in 1950 red scare mode but he's nothing like Trump.
 
Jetboogieman said:
You want to brush off the fact that Trump has tapped into the darkest side of American populism :shrug:

Bernie is the only candidate who actually wants to address the very inequitable nature of the American economy... I know many on the right are still stuck in 1950 red scare mode but he's nothing like Trump.
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How does he want to address it? From what I can tell all he wants to do is provide people things at other peoples expense and continue public policies that haven't been shown to work. How is free college going to fix anything? Aren't you just going to have more degrees that are worthless? Aren't people going to continue to have trouble finding work after going to college even with his plan? How does moving the cost of the service to everyone solve any underlining problems?
 
Jetboogieman said:
You want to brush off the fact that Trump has tapped into the darkest side of American populism :shrug:
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Yes, I know. Liberals think that, but it isn't true.

Bernie is the only candidate who actually wants to address the very inequitable nature of the American economy... I know many on the right are still stuck in 1950 red scare mode but he's nothing like Trump.
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Totally false on each count. All you are doing is repeating some crap you heard on TV. Perhaps you might put down an original thought and we can discuss it. I don't hold out much hope though.
 
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