TAVIS SMILEY: Black America could get on Trump train...

Mason66 said:

If you believe Trump will do what he can to create more jobs, then blacks would benefit as well as anybody else.

What could Hillary possibly offer to do for them?

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Hey now, whatta ya mean, there? Hillary can speak in a black mammy's voice. Who on the Republican side can do that, huh? Nobody.

OrphanSlug said:

There are a couple of points the article makes, such as only needing a small percentage of the minority vote in a close race, we can evaluate and discuss. But, overall I think the article misses a much bigger point about the lesser of two evils in politics.

Hillary very well may not be the best representation of liberal values and she may not be the best representation of minority wants, but she represents far less headaches than any Republican no matter how anti-Establishment that candidate may be. Hillary could end up very Wall Street and end up running the nation center to center-left and still be less of a problem for minority wants than Trump. Just from a campaign point of view on appealing to minorities, I do not see very much in Trump's campaign rhetoric that even tries.

It is going to be tough to take this article as really meaningful unless Trump himself start to try to appeal to a few demographics out there other than older, angry, white men who think that Obama, liberals, and minorities took the nation away from them.

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They didn't take the nation away from us, they are just killing it for everyone involved!
The USA has been on a downhill slide since FDR....with a few Republicans elevating it here and there....

NoLeftNoRight said:

Purely your opinion. Historically it has been Democrats that put Blacks on the bottom. George Wallace, Bull Conner and so forth.
Republicans historically have elevated the Black position....Abraham Lincoln etc.
How the Democrats have managed to fool blacks is the "black magic". It takes a LOT of ignorance to convince those you abuse to give loyalty in return.

Democrats typically get a majority of the ignorant black vote....but the Clintons have a record of doing exactly what Democrats do....talk a good, convincing game, then do the opposite....

Huffington Post
Here's Why Black People Should Think Twice Before Voting For Hillary Clinton
Michelle Alexander, the author Of "The New Jim Crow," outlines the presidential candidate's support for some questionable policies.

Here's Why Black People Should Think Twice Before Voting For Hillary Clinton

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Excellent post! :thumbs::thumbs:

cabse5 said:

Women don't make the same, on average, as men. The GOP says they have to earn that income, and childbearing/ being away from work is a detriment to higher wages. That women (or men) shouldn't automatically earn the same. Isn't that a big slogan of Hillary's speeches?

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That's not what you said. You said:

current day dem statistical 'fairness'/success philosophy where everyone must have the same percentage of success (or failure) irregardless of circumstances and effort to be successful.

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That is not in any way the same thing as saying "women should get the same pay for the same work".

Show me where the party has ever expressed that "everyone must have the same percentage of success (or failure) irregardless of circumstances and effort to be successful"

roughdraft274 said:

That's not what you said. You said:



That is not in any way the same thing as saying "women should get the same pay for the same work".

Show me where the party has ever expressed that "everyone must have the same percentage of success (or failure) irregardless of circumstances and effort to be successful"

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That's what Hillary is saying when campaigning for higher/equal wages for women. That's what most dems are saying as well. Dems are also saying there is a disproportional amount of African-Americans in jail. Some dems have even proposed to turn some crimes classified as felonies into non-felonies in an attempt to reduce the population of African-Americans in jails.

When dems say there is a disproportional number of women who receive an unfair wage, dems DON'T take into consideration the quality of the employee. How much does the company hiring the female employee benefit from the female employee? What would be a proportional percentage of African-American prisoners,then? Don't think dems have ever proposed the correct percentages of African-Americans in jail. Dems just say African-Americans make up 39% of jail populations while they only make up 13% of the total population. What other inference could be made than make prison populations equitable to their national population? No mention of propensity of crime, 'heinousness' of crime, lack of education, or propensity to rebel, etc.

MickeyW said:

Something tells me that if Donald Trump is indeed the Republican nominee, it might be a miscalculation for Democrats to assume that black voters are a lock for their nominee, even with the first black president and Barack Obama both campaigning for her.

Tavis Smiley: Black America could get on Trump train

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If you watched the Super Tuesday results you would realize Blacks are not dumb enough to be conned by the Con Man Trump.

There's a 99.8% chance that neither Hillary, nor Trump, care about black Americans. I didn't say 100% in order to cover the margin of error.

Now, while I like Tavis Smiley, I don't necessarily agree with him here. Most of his argument hinges on the idea that this election hasn't really been what anyone has predicted or was expecting, which is true. However, when one looks historically, black people have generally supported Democrats and currently most black people support Hillary Clinton. The reasons for this we can talk about, but I'd say that that's another conversation for another day. On top of that, a major problem with Trump is that he feeds off of anger, resentment, hatred, insecurity, and fear, most of which is actually directed at minorities, so I'd argue that that alone would stop Trump from making any serious moves in the black community.

With regards to his argument about the black elites remaining silent about Trump, I'd go and say that the opinions and actions of black elites aren't really a reflection of the feelings of the black community as a whole.

NoLeftNoRight said:

Purely your opinion. Historically it has been Democrats that put Blacks on the bottom. George Wallace, Bull Conner and so forth.
Republicans historically have elevated the Black position....Abraham Lincoln etc.
How the Democrats have managed to fool blacks is the "black magic". It takes a LOT of ignorance to convince those you abuse to give loyalty in return.

Democrats typically get a majority of the ignorant black vote....but the Clintons have a record of doing exactly what Democrats do....talk a good, convincing game, then do the opposite....

Huffington Post
Here's Why Black People Should Think Twice Before Voting For Hillary Clinton
Michelle Alexander, the author Of "The New Jim Crow," outlines the presidential candidate's support for some questionable policies.

Here's Why Black People Should Think Twice Before Voting For Hillary Clinton

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If the only evidence you can provide of your party uplifting black folk happened 200 years ago, then you have a serious problem.

DA60 said:

No idea.

Now what does Trump offer them SPECIFICALLY that the Dems don't?

Considering Black Lives Matter people are denouncing him, my guess is not much.

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Hope and change.