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Black Lies Matter

I have been trying to explain that to Gimmesometruth, but he can only see the skin color issue.

That's a problem with liberals. They cannot see any of their "protected" groups as ever being responsible for their own failures. It's always racism or sexism or some other kind of oppression keeping everyone down. They view everyone as victims, never as people responsible for fixing their own problems.
 
I have been trying to explain that to Gimmesometruth, but he can only see the skin color issue.
No, you are like clam, ignoring the argument I have made on this forum for years, an argument based on correlation between crime and economics, the level of crime is proportional to poverty, the worse the poverty the higher the crime levels are and they are independent of ethnicity. The problem is that no other ethnic group has the same depth of poverty that black communities face. Krivo and Peterson have shown this multiple times.
 
No, you are like clam, ignoring the argument I have made on this forum for years, an argument based on correlation between crime and economics, the level of crime is proportional to poverty, the worse the poverty the higher the crime levels are and they are independent of ethnicity. The problem is that no other ethnic group has the same depth of poverty that black communities face. Krivo and Peterson have shown this multiple times.

I grew up on the streets. You haven't a clue as to what you are talking about. The Irish, Italians, Asians, and Jews all came into the country poor as hell and worked their asses off to obtain middle class status. Why aren't some blacks not doing the same thing?
 
The issues in Ferguson are not unique to it, they are repeated in many communities throughout the US. Crime levels are proportionate to the level of economic distress, independent of the ethnic demography. The problem always has been that blacks face the greatest levels of economic distress, and that is the result of long standing and continuing discrimination.

Economic distress is sometimes the result of not taking care of what is around you. Businesses, or the lack thereof, reflect as much. Going through a neglected neighborhood reflects as much. Inviting businesses by showing some pride goes a long way. Cleaning up your front yard doesn't take a lot of money.
It starts with number one. Blaming comes easy. Doing something positive can take a bit of energy.
Communities must come together, for communities are made up of many who seek something better. If those who do unite, they have the power to push out those who don't. But if one lonely person does something positive, that one person most likely will be overlooked.
Long standing discrimination, that is an excuse. We should look to those who overcame it with hard work and determination. We shouldn't look at those who sit idle and come up with one excuse after another.
Nothing worthwhile is easy. Poor people come in all colors, and they don't just live in Ferguson and Baltimore.
 
I grew up on the streets. You haven't a clue as to what you are talking about. The Irish, Italians, Asians, and Jews all came into the country poor as hell and worked their asses off to obtain middle class status. Why aren't some blacks not doing the same thing?
All of the groups you describe have not faced the same levels of discrimination in the US as blacks, and to argue otherwise is to ignore US history....and to ignore modern socioeconomic analysis of this very issue.
 
Economic distress is sometimes the result of not taking care of what is around you. Businesses, or the lack thereof, reflect as much. Going through a neglected neighborhood reflects as much. Inviting businesses by showing some pride goes a long way. Cleaning up your front yard doesn't take a lot of money.
It starts with number one. Blaming comes easy. Doing something positive can take a bit of energy.
Communities must come together, for communities are made up of many who seek something better. If those who do unite, they have the power to push out those who don't. But if one lonely person does something positive, that one person most likely will be overlooked.
Long standing discrimination, that is an excuse. We should look to those who overcame it with hard work and determination. We shouldn't look at those who sit idle and come up with one excuse after another.
Nothing worthwhile is easy. Poor people come in all colors, and they don't just live in Ferguson and Baltimore.
Yes yes, that is the problem, black people are not cleaning up their yards. If inner-city black people would just trim their shrubs, why then it would end the wage disparity between them and their white cohorts!
 
All of the groups you describe have not faced the same levels of discrimination in the US as blacks, and to argue otherwise is to ignore US history....and to ignore modern socioeconomic analysis of this very issue.

44 years of EO and the same old problem. What gives? You explain it!

Asians are doing fine! Hispanics are doing almost as well.
 
The gist of his argument was that this black lives matter crap has created animosity between the community and the only people who can possibly save them--the police. The lie that the police is out to get them has created a dangerous environment for those cops. Hence, fewer are going into the community. And, the idea of them walking a beat, in areas where now they may end up ambushed and shot at by a sniper or attacked by a lunatic, is off the table. Cops now just go into those areas when called and crimes have already been committed.

This black life matters movement was created by a set of actions by a minority of law enforcement and the reactions by a minority of the black community. The truth of the matter is that there has always been to some extent significant distrust, fear and prejudice among both law enforcement and minorities. Some of our elected officials and minority leaders have also incited some of the prejudice, anger and outright hostility toward law enforcement. A recent example of this is remarks by Clinton and Sanders related to law enforcement and the criminal justice system in the last debate.

As a result of this movement and continuing racial rhetoric by individuals in a position of authority, the sentiment and prejudice of law enforcement, and prejudice and hostility by minorities toward police will continue to thrive. The result will be less police services in the communities that need it the most, and an almost insurmountable racial divide in this country.
 
44 years of EO and the same old problem. What gives? You explain it!

Asians are doing fine! Hispanics are doing almost as well.
Sure, they face the same levels of discrimination and poverty as blacks in the US.

Wanna buy a bridge?
 
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You already bought.
Your inability to form a complete sentence proves to me that it would be completely pointless to refer you to a previous debate on this very topic....that I was just in the process of searching for....specifically for you.
 
Your inability to form a complete sentence proves to me that it would be completely pointless to refer you to a previous debate on this very topic....that I was just in the process of searching for....specifically for you.

OMG! Another win for the spelling and grammar police.:lamo
 
Yes yes, that is the problem, black people are not cleaning up their yards. If inner-city black people would just trim their shrubs, why then it would end the wage disparity between them and their white cohorts!

It starts somewhere. It find the assumption that only blacks are discriminated against and poor simply absurd. Go through poverty stricken areas and look around? It is not just blacks who sit on their front porch and wait for things to happen.
What I say is true for many areas in the US, it is just that some get more attention than others. Of course whites in rural areas don't have anyone to blame but themselves for their misery.
Theories are a dime a dozen, and good will looks great on paper. It doesn't do anything for those in need. Practical solutions do.
 
OMG! Another win for the spelling and grammar police.:lamo
I don't consider repeating the same argument I have brought forward by others who know a lot more about this topic that you or I....a "win", it is an existing, valid counter to the thinly veiled racism of "if blacks were just more bootstrapy...".

Has Charles Murray produced any new "argument" for you and your minions lately?
 
I don't buy the assertion that just because there are more arrests of Blacks by the police that the only explanation is violation of their civil rights. We already know that the greatest proportion of murder and violence is black on black.

Occam's razor and common sense would seem to indicate that blacks are committing more crimes, and are getting caught more committing those crimes.

Of course that's not to say that Occam's razor and common sense would eliminate the possibility that blacks civil rights are being violated, but I'd look for a simpler, more direct explanation first.
 
I don't consider repeating the same argument I have brought forward by others who know a lot more about this topic that you or I....a "win", it is an existing, valid counter to the thinly veiled racism of "if blacks were just more bootstrapy...".

Has Charles Murray produced any new "argument" for you and your minions lately?

You keep repeating the same failed argument time after time.

Can you tell me why so many blacks have gone on to very successful lives while some choose to dwell on the government dole? Can you tell me why so many white people who grew up with a silver spoon, have chosen a life of drugs, crime, and welfare?

No...you can't
 
I don't buy the assertion that just because there are more arrests of Blacks by the police that the only explanation is violation of their civil rights. We already know that the greatest proportion of murder and violence is black on black.

Occam's razor and common sense would seem to indicate that blacks are committing more crimes, and are getting caught more committing those crimes.

Of course that's not to say that Occam's razor and common sense would eliminate the possibility that blacks civil rights are being violated, but I'd look for a simpler, more direct explanation first.

But what crimes are the black prison population being locked up for? How many are murderers and violent offenders, and how many are in prison on drug possession?
 
You keep repeating the same failed argument time after time.

Can you tell me why so many blacks have gone on to very successful lives while some choose to dwell on the government dole? Can you tell me why so many white people who grew up with a silver spoon, have chosen a life of drugs, crime, and welfare?

No...you can't
In case you have not learned this, let me enlighten you to the fact that rhetorical questions are not meant to be answered.
 
But what crimes are the black prison population being locked up for? How many are murderers and violent offenders, and how many are in prison on drug possession?

That is the 10,000 dollar question for all inmates. Might be a good Google search.
 
I saw the first season of 'The Wire'. It rang true and was very saddening. The story line about the young guy who was trying to find a way out for himself and his siblings was heart rending.
 
You keep repeating the same failed argument time after time.

Can you tell me why so many blacks have gone on to very successful lives while some choose to dwell on the government dole? Can you tell me why so many white people who grew up with a silver spoon, have chosen a life of drugs, crime, and welfare?

No...you can't

There is no simple answer.

Yes, every individual has a choice of how he can live his life, but the number of choices that are available and observable are in flux because of many outside factors. These factors include input from society and environmental conditions (wealth, education, health, etc.) and some of these factors are beyond the persons control. The issue of race prejudice is one of those factors.
 
You keep promoting the same ole shtick. You keep getting slammed.

Move on.
As if.

The whole point to countering an argument.....is to counter it. These empty claims of your countering it, is just imaginary. Asking "Why both some blacks and whites are successful, some fail" isn't an argument.....and it certainly does not even address the real issue in communities like Ferguson.

try a little hurrdurr.
 
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