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Palin & Trump ?????

joG said:
She was certainly one reason McCain lost.
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It was a combination of things - she certainly helped originally, since the Republican ticket with her on it was a half dozen points ahead of Obama/Biden after the convention. But then the media went to work to save their creation and Palin wasn't up to the task.
 
clownboy said:
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He's going to be the GOP candidate. Trump is brilliant at knowing and leveraging his political universe. If he thinks a Palin endorsement in Iowa will benefit his candidacy, it probably will.
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I've seen the stories in the news today, but my opinion is that Trump is pulling Palin in to help him in Iowa since it looks like Cruz may be gaining ground on him. A Palin endorsement in Iowa may help him stay on top of Cruz. IMHO that is.
 
Beaudreaux said:
I've seen the stories in the news today, but my opinion is that Trump is pulling Palin in to help him in Iowa since it looks like Cruz may be gaining ground on him. A Palin endorsement in Iowa may help him stay on top of Cruz. IMHO that is.
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Sure, but this "huge announcement " cant be just the Palin get, there has to be something more, like a new policy announcement. I am hoping that it is not saying that she is going to be his Sec Energy like she wants.
 
There is a must read piece on why Trump is right with how he is running...on how he is pummeling the elite so successfully, why the elite can throw everything they have at him and get nowhere. Trump excels in sizing up people and situations, and this Run at POTUS is going to I think go down as his masterstroke :

ooner or later, as the globalist elites seek to drag the country into conflicts and global commitments, preside over the economic pastoralization of the United States, manage the delegitimization of our own culture, and the dispossession of our people, and disregard or diminish our national interests and national sovereignty, a nationalist reaction is almost inevitable and will probably assume populist form when it arrives. The sooner it comes, the better… [Samuel Francis in Chronicles
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Imagine giving this advice to a Republican presidential candidate: What if you stopped calling yourself a conservative and instead just promised to make America great again?

What if you dropped all this leftover 19th-century piety about the free market and promised to fight the elites who were selling out American jobs? What if you just stopped talking about reforming Medicare and Social Security and instead said that the elites were failing to deliver better health care at a reasonable price? What if, instead of vainly talking about restoring the place of religion in society — something that appeals only to a narrow slice of Middle America — you simply promised to restore the Middle American core — the economic and cultural losers of globalization — to their rightful place in America? What if you said you would restore them as the chief clients of the American state under your watch, being mindful of their interests when regulating the economy or negotiating trade deals?
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But the response of the predominantly-white class that Francis was writing about has mostly been one of personal despair. And thus we see them dying in middle age of drug overdose, alcoholism, or obesity at rates that now outpace those of even poorer blacks and Hispanics. Their rate of suicide is sky high too. Living in Washington D.C., however, with an endless two decade real-estate boom, and a free-lunch economy paid for by special interests, most of the people in the conservative movement hardly know that some Americans think America needs to be made great again.

In speeches, Trump mostly implies that the ruling class conducts trade deals or the business of government stupidly and weakly, not villainously or out of personal pecuniary motives. But the message of his campaign is that America's interests have been betrayed by fools.

The huge infrastructure of the conservative movement in Washington D.C. is aghast at Trump, and calls him an economic illiterate for threatening China with tariffs. They can't understand that this is not primarily an economic measure, but a nationalist one. It's a signal to voters that one man is here to fight for them, not to school-marmishly tell them that capitalism is helping them when in fact it manifestly helps others a lot more. Trump has attracted his coalition of supporters among those who are the most-weakly attached to the Republican Party as an institution.

Plenty of others have noticed the parallels between Pat Buchanan and Donald Trump. Some have seen that Trump is attracting the "radical middle" social base and taking on the Caesarist, almost Latin American-style populism that Francis recommended. Buchanan was recently asked about why Trump was having all the success that he did not enjoy, when he is running on so many of the issues Buchanan did 20 years ago. Buchanan said that it was because the returns are in on the policies he criticized 20 years ago. All of this is true.
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How an obscure adviser to Pat Buchanan predicted the wild Trump campaign in 1996

Even if you hate Trump do yourself the favor of reading this piece.
 
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haymarket said:
When will it finally sink it with you that lots of Trump haters really want him to win the GOP nomination? :doh Probably never because admitting that would cause you to then wonder why. :roll:
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Oh I understand the "don't throw me in the briar patch" crowd. And there is no wonder they try that tactic, groups of folks routinely try that one during every one of our presidential elections. It has never worked, nor is it a significant factor. It's just a silly thing that people like to say, like "nuke em all!" or "I'll never vote for so and so if they make him/her the candidate".

Your mistake is supposing that's any sort of majority of his support.
 
clownboy said:
Oh I understand the "don't throw me in the briar patch" crowd. And there is no wonder they try that tactic, groups of folks routinely try that one during every one of our presidential elections. It has never worked, nor is it a significant factor. It's just a silly thing that people like to say, like "nuke em all!" or "I'll never vote for so and so if they make him/her the candidate".

Your mistake is supposing that's any sort of majority of his support.
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Its just you wanting NOT to be laughed at for your choice and support of a man who would make Goldwater look like a major success story in 64.
 
I was wrong.

I said Trump would wait until Wednesday to throw another bone out to the media...it was Tuesday.

What a master. Who is everyone talking about...Trump, Trump, Trump. Now Trump will dominate the news cycle for the next couple of days.

If he didn't already have the nomination wrapped up....this is it.
 
haymarket said:
Its just you wanting NOT to be laughed at for your choice and support of a man who would make Goldwater look like a major success story in 64.
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:lamo The smiley says it all. Look, outside of this forum, which I remind you is not RL representative, no one, not one single person, has responded to my saying I support Trump with anything other than "hey, I'm voting for Sanders" or "Didn't think I'd say this, but me too".
 
haymarket said:
Lots of rumors on political sites that today Sarah Palin will endorse Donald Trump in Iowa.

Thoughts and reactions?
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It appears Trump has secured the valuable endorsement of..........John Wayne's daughter??!!
Yeah.....that should secure the Donald a win in Iowa.:roll:
On the other hand, Wayne's daughter is just as important politically as Sarah.
Whatever.
 
haymarket said:
Lots of rumors on political sites that today Sarah Palin will endorse Donald Trump in Iowa.

Thoughts and reactions?
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stupid attracts stupid, this is no surprise
 
calamity said:
Definitely good for SNL
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And is definitely good for Trump. More media attention.

Go back and watch Trump and Hillary on SNL a couple months back. Clinton is part of a script...Trump all ad lib live in the moment.
 
radioman said:
It appears Trump has secured the valuable endorsement of..........John Wayne's daughter??!!
Yeah.....that should secure the Donald a win in Iowa.:roll:
On the other hand, Wayne's daughter is just as important politically as Sarah.
Whatever.
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Gee whiz. Demos will have the support of Alan Alda and Bono.
 
Iamjesus said:
And is definitely good for Trump. More media attention.

Go back and watch Trump and Hillary on SNL a couple months back. Clinton is part of a script...Trump all ad lib live in the moment.
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Trump is very good at media. In fact, he is the best I've seen yet run for president....better even than Bill.
 
Iamjesus said:
Gee whiz. Demos will have the support of Alan Alda and Bono.
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Probably true, but will they garner the endorsements of Alda's and Bono's children?
 
Hah! Trump is really, really smart. This isn't just an brilliant Iowa move. Iowa is John Wayne's birthplace and Iowans are still very proud of that, and him. But in case you all didn't know, all of Wayne's wives are Hispanic. As is his daughter of course. As well as being a fairly well known actress that is listed as one of Hollywood's greats.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0915511/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm
 
Iamjesus said:
And is definitely good for Trump. More media attention.

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It is not the attention that matters, it is building his link to the people that does, And Trump knows how to do that. It is knowing where the people are and knowing how to reach them that is what we are seeing here. The getting large numbers minutes of free publicity is a great skill and it is good, and Trump does it better than anyone, but keep your eye on the ball....separate what matters from what does not.

And dont pay too much attention to the Corporate Class Propaganda Machine, there are very few journalists employed by them anymore who know their ass from their elbow, like everything else the elite have run the major media news has been driven into the ground by liars and idiots .
 
clownboy said:
As is his daughter of course. As well as being a fairly well known actress that is listed as one of Hollywood's greats.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0915511/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm
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This may be a bit of an overstatement.
Her career seems to have ended at age 7 after starring(?) in three of her dad's films.
On the plus side, she is now an attorney in LA.
The Repub base loves lawyers, so I predict a Trump landslide in Porkland.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
It is not the attention that matters, it is building his link to the people that does, And Trump knows how to do that. It is knowing where the people are and knowing how to reach them that is what we are seeing here. The getting large numbers minutes of free publicity is a great skill and it is good, and Trump does it better than anyone, but keep your eye on the ball....separate what matters from what does not.

And dont pay too much attention to the Corporate Class Propaganda Machine, there are very few journalists employed by them anymore who know their ass from their elbow, like everything else the elite have run the major media news has been driven into the ground by liars and idiots .
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It is the media attention that matters. Who is not getting attention when Trump monopolizes it? Rubio, Bush, Christie. People are talking about Clinton?
 
radioman said:
This may be a bit of an overstatement.
Her career seems to have ended at age 7 after starring(?) in three of her dad's films.
On the plus side, she is now an attorney in LA.
The Repub base loves lawyers, so I predict a Trump landslide in Porkland.
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The only thing that matters about this Wayne kid is her bloodline. Trump just tied his brand to the John Wayne brand, which is stunning given that just a few years ago Bush was getting reamed for "trying to play cowboy". Trump has iron balls, you have to give him that.

At that event something else amazing happened:

Winterset, Iowa, at the John Wayne Birthplace Museum. Donald Trump spoke, and during the Q&A, an unidentified reporter said, "Mr. Trump! Mr. Trump! Rush Limbaugh and Senator Cruz have warned voters that you may not be a real conservative. What do you say to this?"

TRUMP: Well, I am a real conservative, and Rush has been terrific to me and Rush has really been amazing to me, and I actually read what he said, and he's still amazing to me. So I appreciate everything Rush has done for me a hundred percent.

RUSH: And we'll be back.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: I think we have time to squeeze this in. This is unique in that most people asked about me do not even acknowledge having heard what I said that they're being asked about. Trump... Well, here, listen to it again.

TRUMP: Well, I am a real conservative, and Rush has been terrific to me and Rush has really been amazing to me, and I actually read what he said, and he's -- he's still amazing to me. So I appreciate everything Rush has done for me a hundred percent.

Snerdley said, "Wow! That just doesn't happen. These people are asked about you and they say, 'I haven't heard what Rush Limbaugh said. I didn't hear what Rush said.' They're afraid to critical. But very seldom somebody as boldly as that! 'Oh, yeah, yeah! I have no a problem with it. Everything's cool. Back off, media!'"
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Trump's Unique Response to Me - The Rush Limbaugh Show
 
Iamjesus said:
It is the media attention that matters. Who is not getting attention when Trump monopolizes it? Rubio, Bush, Christie. People are talking about Clinton?
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In the age of social media not that much. We no longer need the gate keepers of information...Sure Trump is brilliant and practical so will use them when he can and he can since they need him more than he needs them. He has the power, it is always the person who needs/wants the relationship the least who has the power. But make no mistake, if they blacked him out he would go around them, and use their animosity as a new giant feather in his cap.

EDIT: this is the guy who at rallies points to the media covering the event and says " they suck, they are some really horrible people". H does this constantly, has for months. This is the guy who can mock a crippled journalist and get NO blowback from it from the people who matter, the little people.
 
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radioman said:
This may be a bit of an overstatement.
Her career seems to have ended at age 7 after starring(?) in three of her dad's films.
On the plus side, she is now an attorney in LA.
The Repub base loves lawyers, so I predict a Trump landslide in Porkland.
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The Party of the Lawyer Candidates vs. The Party of the Non-Lawyer Candidates:

John Peralta counts Democratic and Republican Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates since 1980, and sees how many lawyers there were:

[Democratic] Attorneys (10 out of 12 total – 83%)
Obama
Biden
Kerry
Edwards
Lieberman
Clinton
Dukakis
Bentsen
Mondale
Ferarro
[Possibly Gore, who never graduated — if he’s included, the percentage is 92%]
Carter was the only non-lawyer, non-law school attendee.

[Republican] Attorneys (2 out of 9 total – 22%)
Dole
Quayle

Non-lawyers – McCain, Palin, Bush 43, Cheney, Kemp, Bush 41 and Reagan
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Lawyer presidents - Overlawyered
 
joG said:
She was certainly one reason McCain lost.
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

until he selected caribou barbie as his running mate, mccain literally could not generate any interest in his campaign while doing a meet & greet in a grocery store
it was laughable ... in a sad sort of way
but the hockey mom became an immediate attraction. someone the public wanted to see and hear
and the republican ticket surged ahead of Obama-Biden in the polls

until the economy began its melt-down
and mccain was quoted as insisting "the fundamentals of the economy are sound"
when everyone and their brother could look around and see that they were not
and THEN the wheels came off of his campaign

was palin a laughing stock to the left? absolutely
but she was THE attractive lightening rod to the right
in no way was she the reason for the loss of the election
she was the only reason mccain ever had a chance
 
justabubba said:
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

until he selected caribou barbie as his running mate, mccain literally could not generate any interest in his campaign while doing a meet & greet in a grocery store
it was laughable ... in a sad sort of way
but the hockey mom became an immediate attraction. someone the public wanted to see and hear
and the republican ticket surged ahead of Obama-Biden in the polls

until the economy began its melt-down
and mccain was quoted as insisting "the fundamentals of the economy are sound"
when everyone and their brother could look around and see that they were not
and THEN the wheels came off of his campaign

was palin a laughing stock to the left? absolutely
but she was THE attractive lightening rod to the right
in no reason was she the reason for the loss of the election
she was the only reason mccain ever had a chance
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nothign like rewriting history LMAO

"attraction" yes
"could rally troops" yes
"got attention: yes
capable of bringing in VOTES on election day? NOPE

she MOST certainly was one of the reasons McCain lost and she squandered his real chances, and support she brought at the actual voting polls was lost twice as much. Many republics liked the life she generated but admit they wanted her no where near the whites house. Saying "in no reason was she the reason for the loss of the election and she was the only reason mccain ever had a chance" is pure fantasy
 
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