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Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’'of NJ Muslims celebrated 9/11 [W:329]

Re: Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated 9/11

And those who judged at the Salem witch trials had eyewitness testimony from several people, too...and probably every single one of the eyewitnesses absolutely believed what they claimed they saw.

Again, you're trying to make simple what can never be made simple...and you're refusing to ask yourself why there's precisely zero physical evidence despite the accounts in your 'evidence' that it was reported on mainstream news. You're refusing to challenge your own memory in light of this utter lack of physical evidence even though by now you MUST know that (almost) no one's memory is perfect.

And you say that you heard this from police officers, too. There's your opportunity right there! Get them together, let them speak to a reporter as a group...and since they'd suddenly have the love of a multibillionaire, he'd almost certainly protect them and pay any legal expenses they might have...and once this reporter breaks the story, voila! Congressional investigation by a Republican congress into celebrations by Muslims in Jersey City on 9/11...not to mention the fact that this would be HUGEly advantageous to Trump when it comes to the election.

So there's your opportunity! Get them all together! Go for it! Hell, if you're a patriotic American, would this not be your DUTY to America?

Betcha you won't. Oh, you'll claim this or that excuse why not, but you know down deep in your gut that you dare not do so...not because of any danger to you or yours or them, but because you know your claims are so weak that even Fox News wouldn't accept them.




I stopped reading at "salem witch trials", sorry, not sorry.
 
Re: Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated 9/11

And those who judged at the Salem witch trials had eyewitness testimony from several people, too...and probably every single one of the eyewitnesses absolutely believed what they claimed they saw.

Again, you're trying to make simple what can never be made simple...and you're refusing to ask yourself why there's precisely zero physical evidence despite the accounts in your 'evidence' that it was reported on mainstream news. You're refusing to challenge your own memory in light of this utter lack of physical evidence even though by now you MUST know that (almost) no one's memory is perfect.

And you say that you heard this from police officers, too. There's your opportunity right there! Get them together, let them speak to a reporter as a group...and since they'd suddenly have the love of a multibillionaire, he'd almost certainly protect them and pay any legal expenses they might have...and once this reporter breaks the story, voila! Congressional investigation by a Republican congress into celebrations by Muslims in Jersey City on 9/11...not to mention the fact that this would be HUGEly advantageous to Trump when it comes to the election.

So there's your opportunity! Get them all together! Go for it! Hell, if you're a patriotic American, would this not be your DUTY to America?

Betcha you won't. Oh, you'll claim this or that excuse why not, but you know down deep in your gut that you dare not do so...not because of any danger to you or yours or them, but because you know your claims are so weak that even Fox News wouldn't accept them.

HH: How do you expect me to pay attention with all these squirrels!!!

There's another!
 
Re: Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated 9/11

OK, so this wasn't actually accurate:

sure it was if you read it in context of what I posted. I witnessed the broadcast like so many others around here did.

But at least you provided the second hand account from your wife.

yes, and I provided accounts from hundreds of people via those links.


And the reason it matters is 3 celebrating is different in every meaningful way than "thousands and thousands" celebrating. The former is a small group of extremists, the latter is a community. Seems obvious.

I never supported the "thousands and thousands" I was pointing out there were indeed cases of it.

1 is too many.


Aka "lying" but OK.

sure, why do you think I would care?


The links attest to "people" celebrating, which could be a 2, a handful, 50, or the streets full of people supposedly celebrating.


50-100 at crooks ave alone. that's what my wife can attest to. I would say conservatively another 50 shown by the local news. I dunno, it was more than enough especially at that time, during that attack, here, among me and mines.

you think we'd remember.


So it seems the upper limit on what Trump saw on video no one can find anymore is "a small crowd" of no more than 10s of people, not "thousands and thousands." Close enough I guess for Trump.


yes trump indeed lies, I have no love for the guy. I do notice however lies seem more important to out than if it was say hillary. why do we seem to only care about the other side?





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Re: Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated 9/11

But you said YOU witnessed it.

It appears you lied. By your own words.



It appears you can't read.

I witnessed the tv broadcast of the incidents on mains st in paterson like many of us did.


I much prefer intellectual discourse over puerile "gotcha" discourse. will you endeavor to up your game?
 
Re: Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated 9/11

It appears you can't read.

I witnessed the tv broadcast of the incidents on mains st in paterson like many of us did.
...

"Source, me. I witnessed it." - HH

So what you witnesses was a video of a TV broadcast no one can produce.

You might really want to look into that Lexis Nexus subscription. Then again, it'd be a waste of money, as tons of journalists have looked into it, and can find zero evidence of your bullcrappery claim.
 
Re: Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated 9/11

But you said YOU witnessed it.

It appears you lied. By your own words.


/facepalm


Your lack of comprehension skills is not my problem.
 
Re: Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated 9/11

"Source, me. I witnessed it." - HH

So what you witnesses was a video of a TV broadcast no one can produce.

You might really want to look into that Lexis Nexus subscription. Then again, it'd be a waste of money, as tons of journalists have looked into it, and can find zero evidence of your bullcrappery claim.



I shall sleep well, even knowing you doubt the veracity of my testimony.
 
Re: Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated 9/11

Too cheap to pay for it yourself?




More than half of the 70,000 people at Fatima in 1917 are absolutely certain they saw the sun dance too.

Hundreds of people called in eyewitness reports of seeing “the flames of battle” or could smell the deadly gas or actually witnessed martians landing when Orson Wells gigged up his War of the Worlds radio show.

Millions of people remember hearing Sarah Palin say "I can see Russia from my front porch"
 
Re: Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated 9/11

You appear to be correct in this case. I've reviewed the thread twice, reviewed all the responses directly to me, and other than "some" and a bogus number "42" there is not a scrap of detail other than something about a road block on Crooks Ave. which isn't actually evidence of any claim we're discussing, but is evidence of a road block for some unknown reason.

It's kind of weird, like we're in alternate universes where he replied to something with specifics but it doesn't appear on the thread or in the replies to me that I can see.... :doh

Bottom line is I'm just trying to find out some specifics about what actually happened in Paterson - not what some number of people heard third or fourth hand, but saw with their own eyes. We have a supposed eye witness who is curiously hesitant to provide those details on a thread where the entire controversy is what people actually SAW.

He told me he posted police reports. The lies are multiplying.
 
Re: Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated 9/11

But you said YOU witnessed it.

It appears you lied. By your own words.

Of course he lied.

1) he said he saw it and now it's his wife who saw it

2) He says he saw a video of it but he has also argued that it wasn't videotaped because this was before YouTube and before cell phones had cameras
 
Re: Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated 9/11

sure it was if you read it in context of what I posted. I witnessed the broadcast like so many others around here did.

yes, and I provided accounts from hundreds of people via those links.

The accounts were as vague as you've been until these past few that now put the number per your recollection in the 10s.

1 is too many.

Of course, but again there is a massive and fundamental difference if an entire community is supposedly seen celebrating versus a handful of that community, with the rest of the community in shock, in prayer, etc. Trump deliberately slurred really the entire Muslim community in Jersey City with his made up story. Sorry, but IMO that matters a great deal, and not just for his campaign but for what kind of country we are and how we treat the Muslim community in this country.

sure, why do you think I would care?

Days in this thread with dozens of posts?

you think we'd remember.

And you'd think there would be evidence of these broadcasts somewhere.

yes trump indeed lies, I have no love for the guy. I do notice however lies seem more important to out than if it was say hillary. why do we seem to only care about the other side?

I haven't seen anyone defending Hillary's lies in this thread. I never have. It depresses me it appears we'll get to choose between Hillary and some nutjob in the GOP, Trump at this point.

But related to the topic of this thread, the same week he lied about seeing the video of "thousands and thousands" of Muslims celebrating the deaths of Americans on 9/11, he's retweeting fictional stats put out by an admitted Hitler admirer and white supremacist about black on white crime. No surprise that feed was full of idiots defending that bit of racist propaganda. IMO, he's tapping into a pretty ugly side of America and doing it to win a political office, and seems OK with that. It's pretty alarming to me, for many reasons.
 
Re: Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated 9/11

So with Trump it's exaggerations? But when Obama did it when he was running it was called lies and it fueled more and more hatred. I know all politicians lies, both sides. But please put them all on the same playing filed. If Obama's lies make him the most disgusting person on the planet, then call Trump a liar(NOT exaggerations) and call him disgusting too.

BTW I'm not just pointing you out. You are right, Trump is doing it for attention, and exploitation. But call him what he is, a liar. Not an 'exaggerator'.

I think he's intentionally exaggerating. He does it with everything. Does he think all Mexicans illegally entering the country are rapists? Hell no. No rational person does, and Trump is rational. He does this with a host of issues. He pushes the line as far as he can. Is it outright lying? Not quite. Obama, OTOH, clearly stated that the ACA for example, would reduce the health insurance costs of average Americans by $2500. That is an outright lie because he knew at the time that no such thing would happen, along with the keep your doctor crap.

Yes, I agree that such a thing is a very fine line, but Trump is proving that it's possible to walk that line and retain support from certain elements of the voting public. No, I don't endorse it nor the lack of concrete policy to back such things up, but you have to admit it's entertaining, and it is calculated. We'll see how far that gets him. It's still early, and events that might require somewhat more firm policy stances are occurring nearly every day now.
 
Re: Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated 9/11

I think he's intentionally exaggerating. He does it with everything. Does he think all Mexicans illegally entering the country are rapists? Hell no. No rational person does, and Trump is rational. He does this with a host of issues. He pushes the line as far as he can. Is it outright lying? Not quite. Obama, OTOH, clearly stated that the ACA for example, would reduce the health insurance costs of average Americans by $2500. That is an outright lie because he knew at the time that no such thing would happen, along with the keep your doctor crap.

Yes, I agree that such a thing is a very fine line, but Trump is proving that it's possible to walk that line and retain support from certain elements of the voting public. No, I don't endorse it nor the lack of concrete policy to back such things up, but you have to admit it's entertaining, and it is calculated. We'll see how far that gets him. It's still early, and events that might require somewhat more firm policy stances are occurring nearly every day now.

I cant believe conservatives have forgotten what a lie is. It is not a fine line, it is saying something you know is not true.
 
Re: Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated 9/11

I think he's intentionally exaggerating. He does it with everything. Does he think all Mexicans illegally entering the country are rapists? Hell no. No rational person does, and Trump is rational. He does this with a host of issues. He pushes the line as far as he can. Is it outright lying? Not quite. Obama, OTOH, clearly stated that the ACA for example, would reduce the health insurance costs of average Americans by $2500. That is an outright lie because he knew at the time that no such thing would happen, along with the keep your doctor crap.

Yes, I agree that such a thing is a very fine line, but Trump is proving that it's possible to walk that line and retain support from certain elements of the voting public. No, I don't endorse it nor the lack of concrete policy to back such things up, but you have to admit it's entertaining, and it is calculated. We'll see how far that gets him. It's still early, and events that might require somewhat more firm policy stances are occurring nearly every day now.

I cant believe conservatives have forgotten what a lie is. It is not a fine line, it is saying something you know is not true.
 
Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated 9/11

I just went to get a chicken schwarma tonight.

The cooks were laughing in the back.

Clearly they were celebrating the Paris terrorist attacks.

You know it's true because I posted it to Facebook.
 
Re: Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated 9/11

I cant believe conservatives have forgotten what a lie is. It is not a fine line, it is saying something you know is not true.

I haven't forgotten. Trump is the head of nothing but his holdings and empire. He's won nothing yet but some polls, and not all of them.
 
Re: Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated 9/11

I haven't forgotten. Trump is the head of nothing but his holdings and empire. He's won nothing yet but some polls, and not all of them.

And a boat load of Republican supporters.
 
Re: Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated 9/11

And a boat load of Republican supporters.

Meh. They're fickle. I'll be concerned if he wins something significant and doesn't settle down to serious policy. And a couple of primaries doesn't really count. Santorum won a primary, too, and so did Huckabee. Where are they?
 
Re: Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated 9/11

I cant believe conservatives have forgotten what a lie is. It is not a fine line, it is saying something you know is not true.

... that reminds me, have you seen that thread about tailored terrorism intel that happened to comport with Barack Obama's public position?
 
Re: Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated 9/11

Millions of people remember hearing Sarah Palin say "I can see Russia from my front porch"

Yes, indeed. People remember all sorts of things that never happened.
 
Re: Trump’s outrageous claim that ‘thousands’ of New Jersey Muslims celebrated 9/11

I cant believe conservatives have forgotten what a lie is. It is not a fine line, it is saying something you know is not true.
But peeeeeplez posted it to Facebook!


It HAS to be true.
 
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Yup... This is the leading GOP candidate.... Find it ironic that Trump has been calling out Carson for his pathological lying, but Trump himself is a pathological liar as well.
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Man I'm pulling hard for this lying D'bag to wing the GOP nomination. He just might. I never thought he could actually win but every time he says meaner, stupider things the more solidified his base gets around him. What an interesting sociological experiment.
 
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