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The Left is Losing Control of the Monster They Created

Mycroft said:
It wasn't the Secret Service who roped off the media at her events.
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It wasn't the Secret Service that kidnapped the Lindburgh baby either.
 
Kobie said:
/sigh

Please explain in greater detail.
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Liberal ideas tend to advocate the needs of the many over the needs of the few or the one and conservatives just the opposite, this is all I'm saying. It is a hive mentality. We over I.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Obama has been interrupted numerous time by various liberal and progressive groups over the course of his presidency. He get's pissy every time, LOL.

They aren't being attacked by "their own" groups. They're being attacked by a different group that exists along the same side of the political spectrum. The problem is that you view the left side of the political spectrum as a collective, when it's actually a loosely affiliated population that shares similar political principles.

If you the OP is correct, :shrug:
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I said...at this level. The hecklers Obama has had to deal with don't rise to the level of the Black Lives Matters tactics.

The Democratic Party really doesn't want to have much to do with this group...except that they don't want to lose the votes. So they are paying insincere lip-service that isn't being accepted. That's why the Democrats are losing control of this group.
 
blaxshep said:
Liberal ideas tend to advocate the needs of the many over the needs of the few or the one and conservatives just the opposite, this is all I'm saying. It is a hive mentality. We over I.
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Even if that were necessarily true (and I don't think that's universal in any way), there are numerous differences regarding the best methods to ensure equality of opportunity, as well as the degree to do so.
 
Mycroft said:
I said...at this level. The hecklers Obama has had to deal with don't rise to the level of the Black Lives Matters tactics.

The Democratic Party really doesn't want to have much to do with this group...except that they don't want to lose the votes. So they are paying insincere lip-service that isn't being accepted. That's why the Democrats are losing control of this group.
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Obama hecklers don't rise to this level because Obama has Secret Service who will shoot them on sight if they tried to take over the stage Obama was on. You're looking for the explanations that confirm your bias rather than for the truth.

You can't lose control of a group you never had control over.
 
Mycroft said:
I said...at this level. The hecklers Obama has had to deal with don't rise to the level of the Black Lives Matters tactics.

The Democratic Party really doesn't want to have much to do with this group...except that they don't want to lose the votes. So they are paying insincere lip-service that isn't being accepted. That's why the Democrats are losing control of this group.
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Again, to claim that the Democrats are "losing control of this group" means they had "control" over it at one time.
 
Kobie said:
Again, to claim that the Democrats are "losing control of this group" means they had "control" over it at one time.
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This group has been around for a year and only now are they engaging in these disruptions. Yeah...maybe the Party never really had much control over these guys in the past...but they have even less now as evidenced by Democratic speakers not being allowed to speak at their own events.

I predict the Democratic Party will remedy that soon. This group will find themselves being shut down by their own Party.

Democrats don't like rogues in their midst.
 
Mycroft said:
This group has been around for a year and only now are they engaging in these disruptions. Yeah...maybe the Party never really had much control over these guys in the past...but they have even less now as evidenced by Democratic speakers not being allowed to speak at their own events.

I predict the Democratic Party will remedy that soon. This group will find themselves being shut down by their own Party.

Democrats don't like rogues in their midst.
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Neither do Republicans.
 
Kobie said:
Neither do Republicans.
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So what?

Is this thread about Republicans...or is it about Democrats?

You should know by now that deflection doesn't make your case.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Obama hecklers don't rise to this level because Obama has Secret Service who will shoot them on sight if they tried to take over the stage Obama was on.
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Then why did you mention Obama?
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I don't have a problem with interrupting campaign speeches as a method of protest. :shrug:
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That is called "heckling" and if successful, just means they had bad security. Old man Bernie was a soft target for their tactics.
 
Since this conversation has gone into left versus right, I will say this. I have seen people on the left show restraint towards radical elements, whereas moreso on the right, they show empathy for radical minded people. I was watching Real Time with Bill Maher, and he chased some 9/11 Bush-it-did-truthers off the set, but then I see right wing politicians showing empathy for birthers and modern racial segregationists. If Rand Paul keeps going around and talking about the rights of businesses to not do business with racial groups, he is going to do himself in.

I know somebody will disagree with this and possibly cite something like "free birth control for women" as a racial leftist position, but such positions are not as socially controversial outside the conservative bubble. I believe that that is a huge difference between the mindset of liberals and conservatives.
 
Kobie said:
NEVER? You sure about that?

Here's an idea ... you worry about CanadaJohn, and let me worry about Kobie.
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I don't worry about CanadaJohn - he's cool, supremely intelligent, fair minded and fun to be around. And I don't worry about Kobie either - he's generally cool, also intelligent, and generally fun, but when it comes to criticism of Democrats, he's obsessive.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I don't worry about CanadaJohn - he's cool, supremely intelligent, fair minded and fun to be around. And I don't worry about Kobie either - he's generally cool, also intelligent, and generally fun, but when it comes to criticism of Democrats, he's obsessive.
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Wrong again.

"Criticism," I have no problem with. I have many criticisms of the Democratic Party, which is the main reason I'm no longer a Democrat and haven't been for a decade.

It would be nice, however, if the criticisms are based in reality. I find your criticisms of the Democratic Party sorely lacking in that respect.
 
Mycroft said:
I don't think Hillary will find any of her events disrupted. She is too controlling...too security-minded. If she can "corral" the media, these Black Lives Matter people won't get within 10' of her microphone.
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Hillary is the wife of the first black President, don't you know? She's royalty.
 
Kobie said:
Wrong again.

"Criticism," I have no problem with. I have many criticisms of the Democratic Party, which is the main reason I'm no longer a Democrat and haven't been for a decade.

It would be nice, however, if the criticisms are based in reality. I find your criticisms of the Democratic Party sorely lacking in that respect.
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And that makes politics interesting and fun.
 
Kobie said:
Precisely this. To a lot of people here, "the left" is and always has been a hivemind.
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No, just a collection of leeches and a blood supply.. Interchangeable even. ;)

Tim-
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
That is called "heckling" and if successful, just means they had bad security. Old man Bernie was a soft target for their tactics.
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I think this one was worse than heckling since they not only shouted at them, they took over the entire stage. In any case, I agree, they were able to do this to Sanders because he has bad security. I can't image the other candidates would allow this.
 
Mycroft said:
Then why did you mention Obama?
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Because when you initially said that you "anyone disrupting their own politician's events to this level" in last 6-8 years, I figured you meant that you hadn't seen anyone aggressively interrupt politicians on their side of the political spectrum. Since liberals and progressives have interrupted Obama in such a manner, he was a proper counter example.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Perhaps you're comforted in kidding yourself, but you're not fooling anyone else.

The Democrat Party is, like all things on the left, a rigid collective and if "black lives matter" starts turning on Democrats, that represents the equivalent of defective borgs who must be reprogrammed or eliminated.

One only needs to look at the White House response to Chuck Shumer's announcement that he wouldn't support the Iran deal. They basically, if subtly, threatened to end Shumer's Senate career. There is zero room for opinions other than those handed down from above.
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There was a time when the idea of "political correctness" would have been such an anathema to liberals, that it been pushed then, you would have seen protests in the street fighting against it. The left has gone from fighting "The Man" to being "The Man".
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Because when you initially said that you "anyone disrupting their own politician's events to this level" in last 6-8 years, I figured you meant that you hadn't seen anyone aggressively interrupt politicians on their side of the political spectrum. Since liberals and progressives have interrupted Obama in such a manner, he was a proper counter example.
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Words matter. When I said "...to this level..." that should have given you a clue that Obama's hecklers are irrelevant.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I think this one was worse than heckling since they not only shouted at them, they took over the entire stage. In any case, I agree, they were able to do this to Sanders because he has bad security. I can't image the other candidates would allow this.
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It happened to O'Malley, as well.
 
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