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The GOP will die soon

Fiddytree said:
If the political party does not change in 30 years, yes it would spell doom. But anyone studying the changes within the Democratic and Republican Parties in the last hundred years knows that
change occurs gradually, but it occurs.
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 When it is done the issues of the era barely look recognizable.
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Since Eisenhower left the White House the GOP has moved a lot farther to the right and is out of touch with many American people on many issues.

Next years election will show the GOP how out of touch it is, but I doubt that the old White men who rule the GOP will get the message.




"None so deaf as those that will not hear.None so blind as those who will not see." ~ Matthew Henry
 
azgreg said:
Pro tip: Don't make any claims you can't/won't back up.
Maybe you should stay over at TMZ.com.
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Maybe you should take a hike. There are lots of maybes.

Right now I'm not going anywhere except to the farmer's market to get some fresh bread and sweet corn.

:lol:
 
shrubnose said:
Maybe you should take a hike. There are lots of maybes.

Right now I'm not going anywhere except to the farmer's market to get some fresh bread and sweet corn.

:lol:
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No maybes, you said will not might.

shrubnose said:
In about 30 years when massive demographic change hits the GOP full force like a tidal wave it will evolve into a minor, regional, party with no national power.Few members of minority groups will be voting for people who hate, fear and despise them.

Wait and see. No one can stop time and/or change.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch,running out of time, GOP.
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shrubnose said:
Since Eisenhower left the White House the GOP has moved a lot farther to the right and is out of touch with many American people on many issues.

Next years election will show the GOP how out of touch it is, but I doubt that the old White men who rule the GOP will get the message.




"None so deaf as those that will not hear.None so blind as those who will not see." ~ Matthew Henry
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Shrub, Eisenhower was still in the pull of the political effects of the Great Depression. That largely devastated a vibrant conservative alternative to the New Deal and Truman's post-war white middle class utopia. The Republican Party's greatest strength at that point was foreign affairs (China going red, Korean War going to hell), not domestic affairs.

But it wasn't significantly pushing to what you see as the Right until 1968. Even then, the dialogue about domestic affairs was much more optimistic about the ability of the social scientists employed in the executive branch to manage a second generation new deal.
 
azgreg said:
No, that's OK. You made the claim and are unwilling to back it up. You may think the numbers are on your side but history is on everybody else's side. Ever since there has been 2 parties one or the other was the strongest but the other one never went away. They made their corrections and came back. The same thing will happen here. Those in the GOP who are tired of getting their ass kicked on the national stage will eventually say "Enough is enough" and do something about it. That's the thing about history, it always repeats itself. Some times it just takes longer.
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The simple difference between a Bush/Kasich ticket and Romney and McCain is that Both Bush and Kasich take down crucial Purple states.
Along with a 47 of the 64 more EVs that Romney needed.
VA-13 looks like a lost cause without Webb as VP with Clinton.
NM-5, NV-6, and C0-10 are all at least toss-ups for Bush, if not wins.
And yes, it gets worse.
And no, I'm not nearly as afraid of Bush/Kasich as GOPs say they are of HRC/????
 
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Fiddytree said:
Shrub, Eisenhower was still in the pull of the political effects of the Great Depression. That largely devastated a vibrant conservative alternative to the New Deal and Truman's post-war white middle class utopia. The Republican Party's greatest strength at that point was foreign affairs (China going red, Korean War going to hell), not domestic affairs.

But it wasn't significantly pushing to what you see as the Right until 1968. Even then, the dialogue about domestic affairs was much more optimistic about the ability of the social scientists employed in the executive branch to manage a second generation new deal.
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Thank Goodness for Eisenhower--we may have never gotten the Interstate system without him.
And his memorable speech on the dangers of the MIC will always stick with me .
 
shrubnose said:
I'll tell you what - get back with me in 30 years and we can talk about how this turned out. right now I'm headed for the door.

:lol:
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Will do. Have a nice night.
 
NIMBY said:
The simple difference between a Bush/Kasich ticket and Romney and McCain is that Both Bush and Kasich take down crucial Purple states.
Along with a 47 of the 64 more EVs that Romney needed.
VA-13 looks like a lost cause without Webb as VP with Clinton.
NM-5, NV-6, and C0-10 are all at least toss-ups for Bush, if not wins.
And yes, it gets worse.
And no, I'm not nearly as afraid of Bush/Kasich as GOPs say they are of HRC/????
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What I don't understand is why, why is Bush polling so well in swing states? I thought for a log time his name alone will DQ him, but now Hillary is crashing and burning and the only other real democrat on the field is an old fruitcake.

I don't understand though if people actually like bush himself, or think that's he's a lesser of two evils...
 
EMNofSeattle said:
What I don't understand is why, why is Bush polling so well in swing states? I thought for a log time his name alone will DQ him, but now Hillary is crashing and burning and the only other real democrat on the field is an old fruitcake.

I don't understand though if people actually like bush himself, or think that's he's a lesser of two evils...
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I read an article earlier today where some big dollar democrats have donated to his campaign. Apparently people like him after talking to him face to face. Go figure.
 
NIMBY said:
Thank Goodness for Eisenhower--we may have never gotten the Interstate system without him.
And his memorable speech on the dangers of the MIC will always stick with me .
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I haven't heard of any counter-factual histories or claims which lead one way or the other on he interstate system, so I will remain skeptically quiet on that account.

However, the MIC speech is both overblown and misunderstood by a number of folks. It encompasses everything, not just whether to fork over some dollars to a contractor or whether to go to war. Unfortunately the words of the past go to service the narrow-minded vision of the present. We neither remain healthy critique of Eisenhower's speech (though I think on the whole he was broadly correct), nor do we grant him to give as much of a criticism as some folks would allow (I.e. He wouldn't be a liberal or anti-interventionist's best friend on that account either).

Anyway, Eisenhower was indeed more of a "coming to terms with the New Deal" Republican than many back then had wanted and temperamentally wasn't what a lot of folks in the Party would want now. That being said, there's also a vitality to the multi-generation liberal's disingenuous compliment of conservatives. Some of my favorites were guilty as hell of being disingenuous, namely Lionel Trilling and Arthur Schlesinger Jr. They never really identified or drew interest in the conservative mind, but felt that the best a conservative could be was the noble fool. They'd praise you for being "a good conservative," but conservative wasn't ever a compliment.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
What I don't understand is why, why is Bush polling so well in swing states? I thought for a log time his name alone will DQ him, but now Hillary is crashing and burning and the only other real democrat on the field is an old fruitcake.

I don't understand though if people actually like bush himself, or think that's he's a lesser of two evils...
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Bush is polling well in swing states because the voters are swing voters--they are moderate like Bush.

Bob Blaylock has put up some pretty good links where people choose their positions on all the issues and then a percentage pops up with each candidate.

Instead of saying the "lesser of two evils", which I believe is a huge misnomer,
I think it is better for one to say they rate Bush 87% and Clinton 53% on issues that matter to them.

I see this as a positive way to look at any two candidates.

It continues to dumbfound me how people don't want to have any say in either of the two candidates who can win.
Just so they can say they voted their 3rd party conscience?

Wouldn't you want a say in which Supreme, Appeals and District Court Judges are appointed?
How about the Cabinet positions and heads of important Governmental agencies ?
 
Harman said:
Demographics And The Supreme Court Doom The GOP


The facts are irrefutable. While for its entire history the US had been a majority white and Protestant nation, in the very foreseeable future that will change. The fastest growing minority voting block is Latino. The fastest shrinking voting block is white and 55 or older, a group the GOP could always count on. The numbers are easily available. Article after article has been written about these changing demographics. Yet the GOP continues to support policies that are repugnant to not only the Latino population, but all minorities and progressives in the country. Their attitudes towards immigration, education, healthcare, gun control, a minimum wage increase, pay equity, taxes and the growing gap between the "haves" and "have-nots" are contrary to the interests of all but the very wealthy, the ideologically right-wing, or the religious right. Combining these groups in a Presidential election does not a victory bring. This is an irrefutable fact proven during the last two elections. Thus, the demographics and the empirical experience of the last two elections prove that GOP behavior is self-defeating.
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No, it will just mean the ammo box is the only option left, that and or national bankruptcy..
 
AmericanSpartan said:
No, it will just mean the ammo box is the only option left, that and or national bankruptcy..
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What do you mean that the AMMO BOX is the only option left to the changing Latino demographics ?
 
Fiddytree said:
Shrub, Eisenhower was still in the pull of the political effects of the Great Depression. That largely devastated a vibrant conservative alternative to the New Deal and Truman's post-war white middle class utopia. The Republican Party's greatest strength at that point was foreign affairs (China going red, Korean War going to hell), not domestic affairs.

But it wasn't significantly pushing to what you see as the Right until 1968. Even then, the dialogue about domestic affairs was much more optimistic about the ability of the social scientists employed in the executive branch to manage a second generation new deal.
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Who cares about all of that irrelevant bull**** which has zero to do with what's going on today and even less to do with what will be happening 30 years from now?

Come back in 30years and we'll talk about how massive demographic change destroyed the GOP AS a major party.

:lamo
 
poweRob said:
so you plan on winning them over by telling them that they are all ignorant dumbasses who have been duped and don't know what they are doing when they vote?

Good luck with that.
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strawmen are strawman but what i expect.
 
MrT said:
If only the GOP weren't so idiotic as to continue pushing policies like, "deport yourselves," and just offered a path to citizenship, then they might even be able to turn those conservative latinos into votes.
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There is a path to citizenship. Are you unfamiliar with the laws?
 
NIMBY said:
What do you mean that the AMMO BOX is the only option left to the changing Latino demographics ?
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Apparently instead of embracing Latinos and making the effort I explain to them how his policies would benefit them (and recent elections in California, New Mexico, and Arizona show that republican policies can win Latinos if the republicans campaign properly to them) he'd rather go for genocide,

Because freedom and junk
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Apparently instead of embracing Latinos and making the effort I explain to them how his policies would benefit them (and recent elections in California, New Mexico, and Arizona show that republican policies can win Latinos if the republicans campaign properly to them) he'd rather go for genocide,

Because freedom and junk
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The GOP does make a lot of mistakes they should be very direct with the Latino population. It should be very clearly pointed out that in fact we ARE a nation of legal immigrants and DO value legal immigration and all they have to do is look at the ****holes they just escaped from and see what democrat policies will lead to. Immigrants do tend to be hard working industrious people and a logical case can be made to avoid turning this country into their home countries which they are proud to be from, but make no mistake...they are FROM there for a reason.
 
now i'll be the first to say that the GOP has its own issues with cronyism, but I have to say that it's pretty sad when a political party feels it must grant amnesty to illegals who are disobeying our laws on citizenship, to gain votes... and democrats are all to willing to just ignore those and other laws they find inconvenient, instead of honestly trying to change them.

If we continue down this path, using any means necessary to "win" power, then we deserve what we will get. and it won't be pretty.
 
Daily Kos Logic, 101:

"The GOP doesn't listen to minorities".

"All minorities feel the same way about this handful of topics".
 
NIMBY said:
What do you mean that the AMMO BOX is the only option left to the changing Latino demographics ?
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Just saying if the leftist have a majority we have ways of changing it...If they think they can stack the deck they are wrong, we will fight back or just break off whole states..


Then again Americans support a secure border, deportation, ending birthright ciztenship, and reducing legal immigration....

Look at the bills..

H.R.604 introduced by Rep. Jody Hice (R-Ga.) that would end Chain Migration

H.R.1147 introduced by Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) that would require all business to use E-Verify

H.R.1148 introduced by Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) that would end Sanctuary Cities and allow local law enforcement to help enforce federal immigration laws

H.R.1149 introduced by Rep. John Carter (R-Texas) that would close the Unaccompanied Alien Children loophole that played a major role during last year's border surge

H.R.1153 introduced by Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) that would make needed reforms to the Asylum process
 
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Gonzo Rodeo said:
Daily Kos Logic, 101:

"The GOP doesn't listen to minorities".

"All minorities feel the same way about this handful of topics".
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LOL thank you, they do not care about leftist they only care about the "gibs me dat".
 
NIMBY said:
Bush is polling well in swing states because the voters are swing voters--they are moderate like Bush.

Bob Blaylock has put up some pretty good links where people choose their positions on all the issues and then a percentage pops up with each candidate.

Instead of saying the "lesser of two evils", which I believe is a huge misnomer,
I think it is better for one to say they rate Bush 87% and Clinton 53% on issues that matter to them.

I see this as a positive way to look at any two candidates.

It continues to dumbfound me how people don't want to have any say in either of the two candidates who can win.
Just so they can say they voted their 3rd party conscience?

Wouldn't you want a say in which Supreme, Appeals and District Court Judges are appointed?
How about the Cabinet positions and heads of important Governmental agencies ?
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Jeb is poison, the RINOs are done.
 
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