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Jerry Brown and CA dems now demand AMNESTY for traffic offenders

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Speeders and red light runners and cellphone-drivers kill people every day but democrats in effect say - lets make these crimes legal!!!

Jerry Brown Pushes Traffic Debt 'Amnesty' for Poor

may 24 2015
Gov. Jerry Brown is calling for an amnesty program for poor California residents who cannot afford to pay debts accrued through traffic violations after a blistering report from a nonprofit law firm concluded that the state is profiting off of minorities and low-income residents.

According to the Associated Press, Brown’s plan would see fines issued for minor traffic violations cut in half, while the administrative fees associated with the fines would be dropped from $300 to $50. California has reportedly suspended roughly 4.8 million driver’s licenses since 2006 over failure to pay fines associated with traffic violations.
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TextDriversKill said:
Speeders and red light runners and cellphone-drivers kill people every day but democrats in effect say - lets make these crimes legal!!!
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Sounds idiotic to me. If you can afford to legally own and drive a car - initial costs, insurance, licensing, gas, maintenance - then you can afford to pay your fines when you break the law. If you can't, either don't drive or don't break the law - it's really pretty simple, unless you're a Democrat.
 
As we've seen with illegals, democrats will do anything to buy votes and this highway criminal amnesty is another example of it.. Repubs almost as bad. Laws mean nothing any more.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Sounds idiotic to me. If you can afford to legally own and drive a car - initial costs, insurance, licensing, gas, maintenance - then you can afford to pay your fines when you break the law. If you can't, either don't drive or don't break the law - it's really pretty simple, unless you're a Democrat.
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Confiscate their cars if they can't pay the fines...
 
TextDriversKill said:
Speeders and red light runners and cellphone-drivers kill people every day but democrats in effect say - lets make these crimes legal!!!
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CanadaJohn said:
Sounds idiotic to me. If you can afford to legally own and drive a car - initial costs, insurance, licensing, gas, maintenance - then you can afford to pay your fines when you break the law. If you can't, either don't drive or don't break the law - it's really pretty simple, unless you're a Democrat.
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I think you guys should watch this.

Eighteen minutes, but John Oliver is pretty funny.
 
The new democrat slogan - Vote for me and i'll let you break the law.
 
By "the poor" brownie means all those illegal aliens he gave drivers licenses too - in brazen violation of federal law.

The democrats are the party of lawlessness and criminal coddling.
 
TextDriversKill said:
By "the poor" brownie means all those illegal aliens he gave drivers licenses too - in brazen violation of federal law.

The democrats are the party of lawlessness and criminal coddling.
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Why do you hate Mexicans?
 
TextDriversKill said:
By "the poor" brownie means all those illegal aliens he gave drivers licenses too - in brazen violation of federal law.

The democrats are the party of lawlessness and criminal coddling.
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Did you watch the video? Didn't some of those examples strike you as the punishment being vastly disproportionate to the crime?
 
UtahBill said:
Confiscate their cars if they can't pay the fines...
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Chances are, the cars aren't worth anywhere near the amount of fines. Chances are also good that the majority of the culprits are driving without proper car and drivers' licensing, likely without insurance, and their cars aren't mechanically fit for the roads, but we're expected to excuse all that because the poor dears aren't responsible for their situation.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Sorry - not willing to risk wasting 18 minutes out of my life - you have a synopsis of this gem?
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Minor offenses with minor fines balloon into hundreds, even thousands of dollars, and jail time. Private companies profiting off keeping people in a debt spiral because they rolled through a stop sign.
 
Deuce said:
Minor offenses with minor fines balloon into hundreds, even thousands of dollars, and jail time.
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Why? Because they're not paid on time? Because they're not paid at all and multiple offenses build up unpaid and unattended? What's the excuse for not paying a minor fine?

That said, if the ordinances and fines are a nuisance and don't serve any community purpose, get them off the books and get everyone off the hook, not just the supposedly poor. By claiming the poor should get amnesty, the Governor is in effect stating his laws are sound but only for the rich. I thought Democrats were always braying about the law being blind.
 
TextDriversKill said:
Speeders and red light runners and cellphone-drivers kill people every day but democrats in effect say - lets make these crimes legal!!!
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"The state is "profiting" off minorities and low income" people?? The intentional use of the word "profiting" is obvious - and chaaracteristically disengenuous - and characteristically hypocritical. Worse, such "logic" is just plain stupid.
- - but I'll take it, should these morons ever realize that by such logic every dollar this idiotic state receives from fines and taxes is no less "profit" - regardless who must pay them. By such logic, California - and every other leftist-run government should abolish all fees and taxation lest it be said they were "profiting" off their subjects.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Why? Because they're not paid on time? Because they're not paid at all and multiple offenses build up unpaid and unattended? What's the excuse for not paying a minor fine?

That said, if the ordinances and fines are a nuisance and don't serve any community purpose, get them off the books and get everyone off the hook, not just the supposedly poor. By claiming the poor should get amnesty, the Governor is in effect stating his laws are sound but only for the rich. I thought Democrats were always braying about the law being blind.
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Uhh, that's exactly what they're proposing. Changing the laws for everybody.

Do you only read headlines or something?
 
EdwinWillers said:
"The state is "profiting" off minorities and low income" people?? The intentional use of the word "profiting" is obvious - and chaaracteristically disengenuous - and characteristically hypocritical. Worse, such "logic" is just plain stupid.
- - but I'll take it, should these morons ever realize that by such logic every dollar this idiotic state receives from fines and taxes is no less "profit" - regardless who must pay them. By such logic, California - and every other leftist-run government should abolish all fees and taxation lest it be said they were "profiting" off their subjects.
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Private companies are literally earning a profit off this, actually.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Chances are, the cars aren't worth anywhere near the amount of fines. Chances are also good that the majority of the culprits are driving without proper car and drivers' licensing, likely without insurance, and their cars aren't mechanically fit for the roads, but we're expected to excuse all that because the poor dears aren't responsible for their situation.
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To be fair if that was the case the car would have been impounded on the spot.
 
Deuce said:
Uhh, that's exactly what they're proposing. Changing the laws for everybody.

Do you only read headlines or something?
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Changing the laws for everyone is fine - those who broke the law previously, pay up or do your time.
 
Deuce said:
Minor offenses with minor fines balloon into hundreds, even thousands of dollars, and jail time. Private companies profiting off keeping people in a debt spiral because they rolled through a stop sign.
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And how does that happen?

Can it be by the offender not paying the fine on time or thinking they don't have to?

How can you excuse lawless behavior when you have to follow each and every law out there?
 
Deuce said:
I think you guys should watch this.

Eighteen minutes, but John Oliver is pretty funny.
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I don't always agree with Oliver even though he does make me laugh. I do agree that fine collection for the government should not be done by private companies that can charge an interest rate on the on the person. Also the government should be allowed to have so many hidden fees when it comes to traffic fines and fines in general.
 
EdwinWillers said:
"The state is "profiting" off minorities and low income" people?? The intentional use of the word "profiting" is obvious - and chaaracteristically disengenuous - and characteristically hypocritical. Worse, such "logic" is just plain stupid.
- - but I'll take it, should these morons ever realize that by such logic every dollar this idiotic state receives from fines and taxes is no less "profit" - regardless who must pay them. By such logic, California - and every other leftist-run government should abolish all fees and taxation lest it be said they were "profiting" off their subjects.
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California is probably the most money hungry state in the union. That is understood by every resident of the state.

If you don't want to have a fine to pay, don't run the red light.

If the argument is that the people were innocent of the crime on the ticket, they should have taken them to court and not just ignored the tickets.

If the people were guilty of the crime on the ticket, they should pay it and nobody should be defending their right to not pay it when other people are required to pay theirs.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Changing the laws for everyone is fine - those who broke the law previously, pay up or do your time.
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I think you lack a proper grasp on just how much of a trap these fines can be. Probably because you aren't willing to waste part of your life learning just how this actually affects people.

The penalties keep stacking up, and payments go to the upkeep before the principle. People end up spending many times the original fine in various arbitrary fees.

Is there any level of punishment that doesn't make you just shrug your shoulders? Hey, that speeding ticket cost you $10 million. That's the law. Pay up, or do the time!
 
Mason66 said:
And how does that happen?

Can it be by the offender not paying the fine on time or thinking they don't have to?

How can you excuse lawless behavior when you have to follow each and every law out there?
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How about not being able to? Sometimes people living paycheck to paycheck can't immediately pay off an arbitrarily steep fine for a minor offense. Sometimes an entire week's paycheck because you rolled a stopsign isn't something you can just shrug off. And it's only the poor who run into this.
 
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