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If gays get equal rights tomorrow what rights and freedoms do you lose?

LaylaWindu

LaylaWindu

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If tomorrow gays got equal rights and sexual orientation was added to all anti-discrimination laws and civil rights etc tell me what rights and freedoms and liberties you lose? I keep hearing these crap claims that Christianity is under attack and our freedoms are under attack but because of gay rights but where?

I want to know why if I was illegal discriminated against as a Christian woman and I fought against that crime and rights infringement, that most people would say "I was fighting for my rights", "I was fighting for my freedoms and liberties", that "I was a strong woman", that "I was doing what was right".


But now SOME of those same people when gays do it claim it's them fighting against freedom and liberties and rights of mine? Which ones?

Why are gays somehow different and not worthy of the same rights and protections I have, WE ALL have? Why

So please tell me what you and I will lose tomorrow if this happened?
 
What rights do gays not have?
 
Gays have equal rights now. Nothing has changed because of it.
 
Expanding anti-discrimination laws would only further violate human rights.

You should also realize that it makes no sense to say freedom and liberties.
 
Henrin said:
Expanding anti-discrimination laws would only further violate human rights.
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So is that your answer, tomorrow I will lose human rights?
 
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LaylaWindu said:
No they obliviously do not. I see you also dodged the OP.
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What makes you think they don't? In most states they can marry, and in the rest they can have civil unions that are tantamount to marriage. What rights do you think they lack now?
 
Henrin said:
I suppose so.
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Well even though human rights do not mirror legal rights in this country please tell me, what human rights will I lose tomorrow?
 
Dittohead not! said:
What makes you think they don't? In most states they can marry, and in the rest they can have civil unions that are tantamount to marriage. What rights do you think they lack now?
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Seems you are still aren't answering. And you realize you lost as soon as you said "most". I can get married in EVERY state and your statement also isn't true. Do you know what the word tantamount means? Civil unions are not tantamount to marriage. Good grief. So maybe in your next response you'll answer the OP?
 
LaylaWindu said:
If tomorrow gays got equal rights and sexual orientation was added to all anti-discrimination laws and civil rights etc tell me what rights and freedoms and liberties you lose? I keep hearing these crap claims that Christianity is under attack and our freedoms are under attack but because of gay rights but where?

I want to know why if I was illegal discriminated against as a Christian woman and I fought against that crime and rights infringement, that most people would say "I was fighting for my rights", "I was fighting for my freedoms and liberties", that "I was a strong woman", that "I was doing what was right".


But now SOME of those same people when gays do it claim it's them fighting against freedom and liberties and rights of mine? Which ones?

Why are gays somehow different and not worthy of the same rights and protections I have, WE ALL have? Why

So please tell me what you and I will lose tomorrow if this happened?
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I don't think citizen should be forced to cater your wedding either, if she had conscientious reason to object to doing so.
 
joG said:
I don't think citizen should be forced to cater your wedding either, if she had conscientious reason to object to doing so.
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I have no idea what you are referring to or answering. The question was "If tomorrow gays got equal rights and sexual orientation was added to all anti-discrimination laws and civil rights etc tell me what rights and freedoms and liberties you/I lose?"
 
joG said:
Where he's right? Nuff said. ;)
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Well even though human rights do not mirror legal rights in this country please tell me, what human rights will I lose tomorrow?
 
Yet another group that has to be treated as Special Snowflakes with extra legal protections most of us lack.
 
If gays get equal rights tomorrow, gays will continue to be gay, and society continues.
 
Goshin said:
Yet another group that has to be treated as Special Snowflakes with extra legal protections most of us lack.
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That doesn't answer the question either?

What group?
What Special treatment?
What extra legal protections that Me and you lack?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
If gays get equal rights tomorrow, gays will continue to be gay, and society continues.
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That's the reality of it, and just like the my life so far, it wont be impacted but the country will be a better place with more of my fellow Americans having equal rights. The more of us the have equal rights the more secure they are.
 
LaylaWindu said:
If tomorrow gays got equal rights and sexual orientation was added to all anti-discrimination laws and civil rights etc tell me what rights and freedoms and liberties you lose? I keep hearing these crap claims that Christianity is under attack and our freedoms are under attack but because of gay rights but where?
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There's a two-pronged response here: firstly, attempts to force all private businesses which are run with private property and contractual labor, to serve absolutely any of the public, is an inherent violation of the rights of the property-owner. A property owner has the right by virtue of his justly acquired property to use it as he so pleases so long as he does not violate the rights of others; we do not have the "right" to purchase a good or service from someone who is not willing to provide that good or service. The exchange of money for goods/services is a VOLUNTARY arrangement, a voluntary parting of money or the guarantee of future payment by the customer for a product created with the blood, sweat, and ingenuity of the owner of that good or service.

Secondly, the codifying of these 'anti-discrimination' laws persecutes those who disagree with gay marriage/homosexuality. It robs them of their right to freedom of association and conscience. By "acting" on their belief and denying services to a gay person, they have not violated that person's "rights". As mentioned earlier, we do not have a "right" to voluntary exchange where the other party is unwilling. Those laws force people to modify their views or risk being unfairly prosecuted in a court of law.
 
LaylaWindu said:
Well even though human rights do not mirror legal rights in this country please tell me, what human rights will I lose tomorrow?
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People have the right to decide who and for what reason they will sell their property, who they will enter into a contract with, who they will associate with and who they will provide their labor and service. In many interactions with people we recognize that mutual consent is essential in upholding the rights of both parties, but when it comes to anti-discrimination laws if one party does not consent they are judged and if their reason is found unsatisfactory we punish them for refusing to commence in trade. There is really nothing acceptable about this practice in terms of decency or in terms of human rights.
 
Henrin said:
People have the right to decide who and for what reason they will sell their property, who they will enter into a contract with, who they will associate with and who they will provide their labor and service. In many interactions with people we recognize that mutual consent is essential in upholding the rights of both parties, but when it comes to anti-discrimination laws if one party does not consent they are judged and if their reason is found unsatisfactory we punish them for refusing to commence in trade. There is really nothing acceptable about this practice in terms of decency or in terms of human rights.
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So what human rights will I lose tomorrow?
 
Cavendish said:
There's a two-pronged response here: firstly, attempts to force all private businesses which are run with private property and contractual labor, to serve absolutely any of the public, is an inherent violation of the rights of the property-owner. A property owner has the right by virtue of his justly acquired property to use it as he so pleases so long as he does not violate the rights of others; we do not have the "right" to purchase a good or service from someone who is not willing to provide that good or service. The exchange of money for goods/services is a VOLUNTARY arrangement, a voluntary parting of money or the guarantee of future payment by the customer for a product created with the blood, sweat, and ingenuity of the owner of that good or service.

Secondly, the codifying of these 'anti-discrimination' laws persecutes those who disagree with gay marriage/homosexuality. It robs them of their right to freedom of association and conscience. By "acting" on their belief and denying services to a gay person, they have not violated that person's "rights". As mentioned earlier, we do not have a "right" to voluntary exchange where the other party is unwilling. Those laws force people to modify their views or risk being unfairly prosecuted in a court of law.
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So your first pronged response doesn't tell me what rights I lose tomorrow based on the OP? You tell me what rights you think we already don't have (so I wont't be losing any) and you tell me things you think that are rights that are not. (So again I won't be losing anything.) Can you tell me what rights I lose tomorrow based on the OP?
Your second response it basically like the first but still not really an answer.

Are you saying tomorrow Ill be forced to modify my views? If so what views are those and how is that possible ever going to happen, sounds like fantasy to me.
 
LaylaWindu said:
So what human rights will I lose tomorrow?
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Your rights that are already violated by anti-discrimination laws will be further violated by their expansion.
 
Henrin said:
Your rights that are already violated by anti-discrimination laws will be further violated by their expansion.
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Which are?
 
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