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    Jeb Bush's Open Border Policy

    Do you agree with Jeb Bush's Open Border policy?

    In his book, Immigration War, Forging an American Solution, Jeb Bush praised illegal immigration as good for the country and openly opposes any plans for increasing border security. He also praised President Obama's policy of open doors to illegal immigration of children. To the Wall Street Journal, he joined Obama in what he called "exercising compassion to children from Central America."

    On another occasion he said that no children of illegal immigrants, even if not born here "should be denied USA citizenship." In short, any child who gets to the USA in any way should be granted US citizenship. And, then, it would be unethical to deport their parents either. So anyone can come to the USA. All they have to do is get here and no obstacles at the border preventing doing so.

    Do you agree with Jeb Bush's Open Borders Policy as good for the country?
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    Re: Jeb Bush's Open Border Policy

    Amnesty=/=open borders.
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    Re: Jeb Bush's Open Border Policy

    only citizens that are born to two citizens should be allowed.

    Citizens should also be allowed to bump any "immigrant" from a job if they want it.
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    Re: Jeb Bush's Open Border Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Amnesty=/=open borders.
    Definitely, but he goes beyond amnesty to also opposing increasing border security. There are people who agree with him on that. The question is do you?

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    Re: Jeb Bush's Open Border Policy

    Immigration policy is an area where to a large the degree the political parties both went the opposite way. The Democratic Party used to oppose immigration, particularly those in the Union camp - as unions greatly opposed large scale immigration to stop cheap labor competing for jobs driving wages down. Republicans and corporations wanted the cheap labor.

    Now Democrats support mass numbers of cheap immigrant labor and Republicans oppose it.

    A curious flip flop by both parties historically.

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    Re: Jeb Bush's Open Border Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Do you agree with Jeb Bush's Open Border policy?

    In his book, Immigration War, Forging an American Solution, Jeb Bush praised illegal immigration as good for the country and openly opposes any plans for increasing border security. He also praised President Obama's policy of open doors to illegal immigration of children. To the Wall Street Journal, he joined Obama in what he called "exercising compassion to children from Central America."

    On another occasion he said that no children of illegal immigrants, even if not born here "should be denied USA citizenship." In short, any child who gets to the USA in any way should be granted US citizenship. And, then, it would be unethical to deport their parents either. So anyone can come to the USA. All they have to do is get here and no obstacles at the border preventing doing so.

    Do you agree with Jeb Bush's Open Borders Policy as good for the country?
    Do you have a link to his 'open border policy' so we can answer properly?

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    Re: Jeb Bush's Open Border Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Do you agree with Jeb Bush's Open Border policy?

    In his book, Immigration War, Forging an American Solution, Jeb Bush praised illegal immigration as good for the country and openly opposes any plans for increasing border security. He also praised President Obama's policy of open doors to illegal immigration of children. To the Wall Street Journal, he joined Obama in what he called "exercising compassion to children from Central America."

    On another occasion he said that no children of illegal immigrants, even if not born here "should be denied USA citizenship." In short, any child who gets to the USA in any way should be granted US citizenship. And, then, it would be unethical to deport their parents either. So anyone can come to the USA. All they have to do is get here and no obstacles at the border preventing doing so.

    Do you agree with Jeb Bush's Open Borders Policy as good for the country?
    Nope.

    A sovereign nation that doesn't enforce control over it's borders isn't really a sovereign nation anymore. Part of what defines a sovereign nation is that it's borders are controlled.

    I support legalized immigration, and I support fixing the process so that it is managed more effectively, including cost effectively. I support a guest worker program, and I also support enforcement of laws that penalize businesses that knowingly hire illegal immigrants.

    I do not support open borders in any sense, and would support the militarization of the border, if that's the only way to make it secure and controlled, but would prefer any and all other methods that are far more effective, including being far more cost effective
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    Re: Jeb Bush's Open Border Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Definitely, but he goes beyond amnesty to also opposing increasing border security. There are people who agree with him on that. The question is do you?
    You do a terrible job at reading about a book's main arguments. He doesn't praise illegal immigration in the book.

    "Miami-Dade also has borne the brunt of the negative side of immigration. Our first few years in Miami, we saw the cost of unchecked immigration. The costs created by the minority of Cuban immigrants who arrived with the Mariel boatlift in 1980 were enormous in terms of the crime they created and the social costs they imposed. In addition, Miami became the center of narco-trafficking, which added huge burdens to our community. So you see, I know firsthand what happens when the federal government is lax in enforcing our immigration laws.

    I also know firsthand the good that comes when the federal government makes border enforcement a high priority." p.xiv

    To summarize what Jeb proposes in this book (which he does in chapter 1, entitled "A Proposal for Immigration Reform," and then details the policy and politics of that proposal for the rest of the book):
    Fundamental Reform: Comprehensive interrelated approach because system as a whole is broken, and to achieve bipartisan consensus.
    A Demand-Driven Immigration System: Replace overriding preference for family reunification with work-based immigration.
    An Increased Role for the States: Share federal authority over immigration policy [such as] social services and providing benefits.
    Dealing With Current Illegal Immigrants: We propose a path to permanent legal resident status for those who plead guilty to having entered our country illegally as adults and who have committed no additional crimes of significance.
    Border Security: Broader immigration reform is an essential component of border security; we can't do one without the other.
    Toward a More Vibrant Future: Getting immigration policy right will allow us to reclaim the prosperity that in recent years has eluded our grasp.
    http://www.ontheissues.org/Immigration_Wars.htm



    Give state and local governments more authority to enforce immigration law: Bush wants any state or local government to have the leeway to enforce immigration law by checking the immigration status of those arrested for serious crimes. He also wants them to have the authority to police the border should they believe that federal resources devoted to border security are inadequate. Finally, he'd allow states to pass voter ID laws to ensure that non-citizens don't commit election fraud.

    —More border security and military to the border: Bush would provide more border security through increasing real and virtual fencing, drones, and border agents. He'd extend Homeland Security's authority to the 50 national parks that are within 100 miles of the border. Finally, he'd authorize the president to deploy military and the National Guard to secure the border. (Obama sent 1,200 National Guard to the border in 2010.)
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    Re: Jeb Bush's Open Border Policy

    Won't be voting for him.

    Well, that was the case before, this just affirms my feelings towards him.
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    Re: Jeb Bush's Open Border Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Do you have a link to his 'open border policy' so we can answer properly?
    Nope. He listens to radio host. Radio host knows all. Book reviews, open-access to the authors' orientations toward immigration policy in the book, and video interviews with Bush mean nothing!
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