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Should we outlaw cannabis in every state?

Should we outlaw cannabis?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 10.6%

  • No

    Votes: 42 89.4%
  • Total voters
    47
Greg. said:
Right. So I think allowing cannabis in some states was an bad idea.
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I do not share that opinion. I think leaving it up to the states is exactly the right idea. If legalizing weed really is such a bad idea then the people in Colorado and Washington are going to find out very quickly why. If this little "experiment" goes south the residents of those states will demand that they reverse course and the rest of the nation will learn from their example.
 
tech30528 said:
Having had several friends die from cancer and the success of marinol and other extracts in curing it, I would rather see big pharma banned than pot. I'm tired of seeing people die from a curable disease poisoned and burned from radiation because alcohol and tobacco companies own enough politicians to maintain outdated and counterproductive laws for their own profit.
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Are you implying that there is a known substance that cures cancer?
 
APACHERAT said:
Historically before prohibition, it seemed as if half of America was walking around in a state of inebriation. That's how bad it was.

What prohibition accomplished was it allowed America to dry out for 15 years or so. When the Volstead Act was repealed, states regulated and put restrictions on the sales of alcohol like age limits, hours of sales, etc.
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Prohibition made millionaires out of petty thieves. All outlawing alcohol did was encourage more people to drink. Many who had never taken a drink before now joined in the adventure of breaking the law. By 1923, over 5,000 speakeasies popped up in New York City alone. Hard liquor was more prevalent than beer because it was more profitable to smuggle. Consequently, more people began drinking harsher spirits and suffering from more "health problems" than ever before. Doctors all of a sudden were writing lots of prescriptions for alcohol. There was also the danger of buying spirits that would kill you. People who couldn't afford the real stuff were sold colored and flavored wood alcohol that could be deadly. Prohibition was a clear failure.
 
Oooops!

I read "outlaw," to be "allow," and I voted yes in error. You can minus one vote from the yes column.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
I do not share that opinion. I think leaving it up to the states is exactly the right idea. If legalizing weed really is such a bad idea then the people in Colorado and Washington are going to find out very quickly why. If this little "experiment" goes south the residents of those states will demand that they reverse course and the rest of the nation will learn from their example.
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So far, however, the indicators seem to suggest that legalizing pot was a GREAT move on behalf of the state. I bet that just burns the asses of the "Reefer Madness," people to no end.

They deserve a big ol' "Neener! Neener! Told ya so!" LOL!
 
Captain America said:
So far, however, the indicators seem to suggest that legalizing pot was a GREAT move on behalf of the state. I bet that just burns the asses of the "Reefer Madness," people to no end.

They deserve a big ol' "Neener! Neener! Told ya so!" LOL!
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To be fair, I think we need a little more time for everything to kind of settle in but I agree that so far it looks like things are going to work out just fine. I expect that within about ten years there will be 20 or more states with similar laws.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
To be fair, I think we need a little more time for everything to kind of settle in but I agree that so far it looks like things are going to work out just fine. I expect that within about ten years there will be 20 or more states with similar laws.
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I do not expect the law enforcement lobbies in any state to get on board with progress and reality. Liberty and self-determination be damned. They push for the jack-boot police state society. Decriminalization is bad for their business. It is a lucrative revenue stream for them as well as the prison industries. Heaven forbid they have to get off their asses and have to divert their focus towards REAL criminals. That could be dangerous to them.

Not to mention all the lost revenue to organized crime and the filtering down of said revenue to certain campaign chests.

I can see the gov't relaxing the laws as society overwhelmingly favors decriminalization as long as they can make up for lost revenue through permits and sales tax. But I doubt they will come to a place where they will allow the citizen to grow their own any time soon.
 
Should we outlaw cannabis?
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no. in fact, i'm beginning to think that certain people should be forced to consume it. the world would be a hell of a lot more peaceful.
 
I dont really care. I would have no problem legalizing it all.
And if you want to kill organized crime then give it away. It would be a lot cheaper than the war on drugs
But this would do nothing to deter businesses from drug testing.
You cant stop them from using but you can make it a stigma.
Id just like to put a stake in the heart of gangs.
 
HenryChinaski said:
Prohibition made millionaires out of petty thieves. All outlawing alcohol did was encourage more people to drink. Many who had never taken a drink before now joined in the adventure of breaking the law. By 1923, over 5,000 speakeasies popped up in New York City alone. Hard liquor was more prevalent than beer because it was more profitable to smuggle. Consequently, more people began drinking harsher spirits and suffering from more "health problems" than ever before. Doctors all of a sudden were writing lots of prescriptions for alcohol. There was also the danger of buying spirits that would kill you. People who couldn't afford the real stuff were sold colored and flavored wood alcohol that could be deadly. Prohibition was a clear failure.
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You're using the same argument used by the bong industry and High Times magazine. Read something published before the 1960's.

How many people did you you personally know who lived during prohibition ? Visit a large research library or university that has collections of diaries and journals kept by average Americans during the era and before prohibition. America had a serious alcohol problem during the 1800's and early 1900's. It became a national security issue during WW l in the defense industry. A work force of drunkards. Prohibition allowed America to sober up.
 
Greg. said:
I think it's important to outlaw cannabis in every state here in the US.
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How's the poll working out for you?

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APACHERAT said:
You're using the same argument used by the bong industry and High Times magazine. Read something published before the 1960's.

How many people did you you personally know who lived during prohibition ? Visit a large research library or university that has collections of diaries and journals kept by average Americans during the era and before prohibition. America had a serious alcohol problem during the 1800's and early 1900's. It became a national security issue during WW l in the defense industry. A work force of drunkards. Prohibition allowed America to sober up.
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I did a paper on the effects that Prohibition had on organized crime in college. Much of my personal library is comprised of books on it. Because booze was illegal, its purity wasn't regulated. While fruit, vegetable, and grain alcohol is usually safe, alcohol made from wood isn't but it is difficult to tell the difference until too late. Over 10,000 people died during Prohibition from drinking wood alcohol. Others who were not killed went permanently blind or had severe organ damage. It was an extremely costly failure. The estimate of the total cost was about a billion dollars in a time when a Ford factory worker made five bucks a day. The government lost a significant amount of tax revenue because alcohol sales went underground. This made the price of alcohol artificially inflated, and people spent a lot for a little liquor.
 
HenryChinaski said:
I did a paper on the effects that Prohibition had on organized crime in college. Much of my personal library is comprised of books on it. Because booze was illegal, its purity wasn't regulated. While fruit, vegetable, and grain alcohol is usually safe, alcohol made from wood isn't but it is difficult to tell the difference until too late. Over 10,000 people died during Prohibition from drinking wood alcohol. Others who were not killed went permanently blind or had severe organ damage. It was an extremely costly failure. The estimate of the total cost was about a billion dollars in a time when a Ford factory worker made five bucks a day. The government lost a significant amount of tax revenue because alcohol sales went underground. This made the price of alcohol artificially inflated, and people spent a lot for a little liquor.
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So, you come to the debate using common sense and factual history. Where do you think that will get you?
 
My brother is a sheriff for a small town. We have discussed this from time to time over the years. What became apparent in our latest discussion was that all the supposed negatives to legalization are turning out to be false presumption. Now we have concrete examples, states where recreational use is legal. And the sky has not fallen, the terrible things predicted have not come to pass.
 
HenryChinaski said:
I did a paper on the effects that Prohibition had on organized crime in college. Much of my personal library is comprised of books on it. Because booze was illegal, its purity wasn't regulated. While fruit, vegetable, and grain alcohol is usually safe, alcohol made from wood isn't but it is difficult to tell the difference until too late. Over 10,000 people died during Prohibition from drinking wood alcohol. Others who were not killed went permanently blind or had severe organ damage. It was an extremely costly failure. The estimate of the total cost was about a billion dollars in a time when a Ford factory worker made five bucks a day. The government lost a significant amount of tax revenue because alcohol sales went underground. This made the price of alcohol artificially inflated, and people spent a lot for a little liquor.
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If it weren't for prohibition, the Kennedy clan would still be living on the south side of Boston.

My grandfather use to have a micro brewery in his basement during prohibition. Beer for the adults and root beer for the children. Elliot Ness wasn't welcomed in Wisconsin back during the era.
 
clownboy said:
My brother is a sheriff for a small town. We have discussed this from time to time over the years. What became apparent in our latest discussion was that all the supposed negatives to legalization are turning out to be false presumption. Now we have concrete examples, states where recreational use is legal. And the sky has not fallen, the terrible things predicted have not come to pass.
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Except when the pot heads get a little older and get married and have children and they realize you can't depend on 911 to protect your home and family and then they find out, if you smoke the bud you can't own a gun.
 
APACHERAT said:
If it weren't for prohibition, the Kennedy clan would still be living on the south side of Boston.

My grandfather use to have a micro brewery in his basement during prohibition. Beer for the adults and root beer for the children. Elliot Ness wasn't welcomed in Wisconsin back during the era.
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Greg. said:
What is Colorado in your opinion?
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I see you are missing his point completely. Colorado and Washington are both states. And because they are states, federal law applies to them. And marijuana is illegal in every single state for any kind of use or possession by federal law. States have been crafting their own laws and some have made it legal even for recreational use, but federal law trumps state law and if the federal government decided to start enforcing the law, users in Colorado or Washington could both face federal charges for possession despite the state's legalization of marijuana. In order for cannabis to be truly legal in any state, the federal government needs to strike their laws listing Cannabis as a schedule I substance.
 
Papa bull said:
I see you are missing his point completely. Colorado and Washington are both states. And because they are states, federal law applies to them. And marijuana is illegal in every single state for any kind of use or possession by federal law. States have been crafting their own laws and some have made it legal even for recreational use, but federal law trumps state law and if the federal government decided to start enforcing the law, users in Colorado or Washington could both face federal charges for possession despite the state's legalization of marijuana. In order for cannabis to be truly legal in any state, the federal government needs to strike their laws listing Cannabis as a schedule I substance.
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Yeah, this is one the feds really want no part of as it highlights that they are violating their grant of power. It's definitively a state decision, just as assisted suicide is (and has been found to be).
 
clownboy said:
Yeah, this is one the feds really want no part of as it highlights that they are violating their grant of power. It's definitively a state decision, just as assisted suicide is (and has been found to be).
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It's another perfect example of federal over-reach.
 
clownboy said:
Yeah, this is one the feds really want no part of as it highlights that they are violating their grant of power. It's definitively a state decision, just as assisted suicide is (and has been found to be).
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Yeah, but their are a LOT of federal agencies, in each and every state, that makes a fortune from pot prohibition. Until they can profit more from legalization, don't expect them to give up their livelihood anytime soon.
 
APACHERAT said:
Except when the pot heads get a little older and get married and have children and they realize you can't depend on 911 to protect your home and family and then they find out, if you smoke the bud you can't own a gun.
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Which brings about long asked questions regarding the fed's supposed right to register guns at the federal level. But there's an easy peasy answer, have the kids or a designated non-smoker register and own the guns. There's nothing against hunting with a registered loaner.
 
clownboy said:
Which brings about long asked questions regarding the fed's supposed right to register guns at the federal level. But there's an easy peasy answer, have the kids or a designated non-smoker register and own the guns. There's nothing against hunting with a registered loaner.
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Not yet, the progressive liberals in California already tried to make it a crime for a gun owner to allow someone else use his or her's gun.
 
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