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Even if GOP takes Senate gridlock will continue.

That's really not true at all. The ones that get past are the nakedly pro-corporate ones that the right's corporate donors want and the left is too disorganized to oppose. The ones that are good for the country are turned into partisan bitchfests because what's good for the country is very seldom what's good for helping Republicans win elections. Or did it escape you that they tend to win when fewer people vote? That is, when fewer Americans' interests are being represented, then our country stalls. Just because the anti people side doesn't like something doesn't make it inferior or partisan. They make it partisan. We need to get past the whining and the inflammatory rhetoric and actually do what's best for the nation. That means we stop catering to corporate interests and start helping the lower and middle classes get a leg up.

You are a hard core partisan. You ignore all the bills that get buried in the other direction. Either there is concensus on both sides of the aisle that a bill is good for the country or there isn't. Without concensus it meets my definition of a bad bill regardless of whether it is what you or I want or not. You may be less angry if you find a way to look past the emotion.
 
You are a hard core partisan. You ignore all the bills that get buried in the other direction. Either there is concensus on both sides of the aisle that a bill is good for the country or there isn't. Without concensus it meets my definition of a bad bill regardless of whether it is what you or I want or not. You may be less angry if you find a way to look past the emotion.

No, I'm just capable of analyzing the facts and reaching an informed conclusion. I don't care which party proposes a bill. I care if it's a good bill. I am also capable of seeing that the good ones seldom originate from one of the parties. But if they did have a good one, I'd be loudly for it, just like with any good idea that would benefit the nation.

The charge was that it was one-half of one-third of government (House Republicans) preventing the government from doing anything. The fact that the House passed three-hundred bills they are willing to defend to the public, proves the charges false. It is Democrat Harry Reid blocking all progress, not Republican's. And if you read your constitution, you'd know revenue bills must initiate in the House, unlike Obamacare which initiated in the senate as a revenue-generating bill, passed under revenue rules and ruled a revenue bill by SCOTUS.

Again, those three hundred bills that the house has tossed out are mostly crap. There are dozens of bills to repeal or cripple Obamacare (which would be bad for the country), deregulation to allow corporations to pollute more and consolidate into monopolies, and just straight up gifts to their corporate donors. Please, do you have any examples of a bill from the house that would be a boon to the nation that the senate is sitting on? As above, if there are good laws that need to be passed to help this country, then no one should be standing in the way. But the house Republicans don't get to whine by virtue of passing lots and lots of crap.

Notice how Democrats refuse to tax the super-rich? Why do super-rich pay less than secretaries, whenever Democrats are in charge?

Your chart lacks any kind of date or context, but the president has called for taxing the super rich several times. The Republicans always shout him down and call him a communist. Likewise, the super rich have been paying less than their secretaries (suddenly you think Warren Buffet is legit now?) for a long time, under Democrats and Republicans alike.

Despite Democrat tax-breaks for the super-rich, corporate taxes are still higher than every single country in the world.

Both of these assertions are completely wrong. Democrats are trying to get the rich to actually pay their taxes, rather than use all kinds of tricks to pay nothing. Likewise, American corporate taxes aren't higher than the rest of the world. They're on the lower end of industrialized nations. Seriously, do you do any research yourself or just parrot what you hear from right wing propaganda media?

Pretty much the rest of your post is shouty emotional nonsense with no grounding in reality, so I won't quote it. Suffice to say that you have no understanding whatsoever of your political opponents. Not what they want, not how they think, not what they care about, and certainly not the hardships that they face that you don't.
 
No, I'm just capable of analyzing the facts and reaching an informed conclusion. I don't care which party proposes a bill. I care if it's a good bill. I am also capable of seeing that the good ones seldom originate from one of the parties. But if they did have a good one, I'd be loudly for it, just like with any good idea that would benefit the nation.

But because you think a bill is good for the country is just one sided opinion and opinion with no power. Leglislative consensus, on the other hand, is stronger on both counts. Legislators aren't stupid. They are just partisan. Get past the partisanship and you generally have something worthwhile.
 
But because you think a bill is good for the country is just one sided opinion and opinion with no power. Leglislative consensus, on the other hand, is stronger on both counts. Legislators aren't stupid. They are just partisan. Get past the partisanship and you generally have something worthwhile.

Again, the ones they agree on aren't the good ones. Those are the nakedly pro-corporate ones that are only good for the rich backers who basically buy up all the politicians. The things that are good for this country shouldn't be partisan issues, but that's what they've been turned into.
 
Again, the ones they agree on aren't the good ones. Those are the nakedly pro-corporate ones that are only good for the rich backers who basically buy up all the politicians. The things that are good for this country shouldn't be partisan issues, but that's what they've been turned into.

Again that is partisan opinion. Sometimes there is less difference in what people think is good for the country and more about who should do it. You want the government to do more and I want it to do less.
 
How does that number you cited compare with the legislative output of the infamous DO NOTHING CONGRESS - the 80th - that President Truman made such inroads campaigning against?

If you libs are really concerned about moving legislation, elect a Republican senate and try to override Boehner's objection to impeaching that lawless wimp socialist you installed in the White House. Then we can move some legislation...
 
Democrats are trying to get the rich to actually pay their taxes

Democrats held all three branches of government for two-years and now hold two-and a half branches. The tax code is exactly what Democrats want the tax-code. Democrats are the true party of the rich. Look at most of the Democrat leaders. Almost all rich and almost all rich from their positions. A few of the statist Republican's may likewise be rich, but Democrats lead the way and Democrats control government, so they must eat responsibility for letting the super-rich get away paying almost no taxes.
 
If you libs are really concerned about moving legislation, elect a Republican senate and try to override Boehner's objection to impeaching that lawless wimp socialist you installed in the White House. Then we can move some legislation...

Your reply makes absolutely no sense to the post of mine that you reproduced. here it is again

How does that number you cited compare with the legislative output of the infamous DO NOTHING CONGRESS - the 80th - that President Truman made such inroads campaigning against?

can you answer a direct question? Or are you afraid a truthful and factual answer will expose your complaint as ridiculous?
 
Democrats held all three branches of government for two-years and now hold two-and a half branches. The tax code is exactly what Democrats want the tax-code. Democrats are the true party of the rich. Look at most of the Democrat leaders. Almost all rich and almost all rich from their positions. A few of the statist Republican's may likewise be rich, but Democrats lead the way and Democrats control government,

This part is ridiculous nonsense. How you can be so backwards is beyond me. I do not know how you can look at the same information I do and reach a conclusion that is the opposite of reality.

so they must eat responsibility for letting the super-rich get away paying almost no taxes.

This part is true. During those two years, centrist Democrats kept the left from making reforms to benefit the middle and lower classes and they are held accountable by the left for doing so. We're not happy about that. The centrists were too busy trying to appease the right that they didn't do the job they were elected to do. We're pissed at them. But certainly not for not being right leaning enough. The left needs to actually do its job, and then we can stop with an economy that only benefits the rich, stop with stupid warmongering, and stop with moralistic laws that try to enforce fringe Christian mores. That's how we'll stop the oppression of gays, finally achieve equality for women, and do away with drug prohibition.
 
It was already stated.

Link to it then or give me a post number because all I saw from you was snide comments.

here is your 171

No you didn't, as your reply to what I stated wasn't rational in the least.

that is merely your general opinion and nothing at all specific is mentioned there. Apparently you have nothing but vitriol to express.
 
Link to it then or give me a post number because all I saw from you was snide comments.

here is your 171



that is merely your general opinion and nothing at all specific is mentioned there. Apparently you have nothing but vitriol to express.
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That is a reply after the fact, as our exchange began earlier than that. And you know that.

So stop with your silly games, you know exactly to what has been referred.

Your reply was irrational to what was posted.
 
Actually that would be this month unless another CR has been passed I missed. The fiscal years runs from 1 October to 30 September. I really haven't heard anything on the negotiations, if any are on going. I am completely in the dark on this one.

Neither side is talking about budget negotiations right now, but I'd almost guarantee a few things for sure, congress will definitely vote themselves another pay increase, and most will take their vacations and leave time during the recess, and then blame more **** on Obama. They have to go home to lobby their constituents for another term. :eek:
 
Neither side is talking about budget negotiations right now, but I'd almost guarantee a few things for sure, congress will definitely vote themselves another pay increase, and most will take their vacations and leave time during the recess, and then blame more **** on Obama. They have to go home to lobby their constituents for another term. :eek:

Congress does not have to vote for their pay raise anymore. A few years back, the passed legislation giving them automatic pay raises unless congress votes it down. If they do not vote to vote the pay raise down, they get it.
 
If you libs are really concerned about moving legislation, elect a Republican senate and try to override Boehner's objection to impeaching that lawless wimp socialist you installed in the White House. Then we can move some legislation...

You talk like being a socialist is a bad thing. The fact is it was not the socialist view that was bad. It was the crazy nut's who ran those countries. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and others where just idealistic morons who where psychotic dictators. The socialist idea is not a bad thing. What is wrong with taking care of all our people instead of the very rich who are supposed to take care of everyone else thru jobs that are supposed to pay a living wage. Why not socialized health care? Why can't we make it work? Why not do more to make sure people at least have a roof over their head and food on the plate? You capitalist friends have let this country down. Sold us down the river for profit and undermined the American dream. You right wingers want to turn us into a banana republic I swear.
 
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