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Court Infringes on Religious Beliefs Again!

The Baron

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Here we go again!

This time it’s a Christian couple that rent out their farm forweddings.

A lesbian couple wanted to get married on their farm and the Giffords(the Christian couple) said no because they believe that marriage is betweenmen and women (which it is!).

So the lesbian couple sue and a judge fines the Giffords $13,000 andthey have to “teach classes to their employees that impose the state’s view ofmarriage.”

Un-freaking-believable!

The state fines the Giffords for living by their beliefs and thenforces them to teach a belief they do not hold. How in the cornbread-hell this can be Constitutional I have no idea!

What gives the state the right to order what someone's person beliefs are?

And God bless the Giffords who have the courage of their convictions. They have decided not to have any moreweddings on their farm.


 
Here we go again!

This time it’s a Christian couple that rent out their farm forweddings.

A lesbian couple wanted to get married on their farm and the Giffords(the Christian couple) said no because they believe that marriage is betweenmen and women (which it is!).

So the lesbian couple sue and a judge fines the Giffords $13,000 andthey have to “teach classes to their employees that impose the state’s view ofmarriage.”

Un-freaking-believable!

The state fines the Giffords for living by their beliefs and thenforces them to teach a belief they do not hold. How in the cornbread-hell this can be Constitutional I have no idea!

What gives the state the right to order what someone's person beliefs are?

And God bless the Giffords who have the courage of their convictions. They have decided not to have any moreweddings on their farm.



good you should not mistreat people because you believe god told you to they should get out of business or learn some decency
 
good you should not mistreat people because you believe god told you to they should get out of business or learn some decency

So wanting to live their lives according to their beliefs is "indecent"?

That's rather intolerant.
 
Do they rent their farm to other sinners?

Oh wait, we have all sinned and...
 


So wanting to live their lives according to their beliefs is "indecent"?

That's rather intolerant.

when what they believe in is discrimination against gay people ya its indecent and should not be tolerated

no different then if they were racists for god
 


So wanting to live their lives according to their beliefs is "indecent"?

That's rather intolerant.

They can live their lives all they want that just can't host marriages at their farm and discriminate based on religion. I suppose you would like to give them the right to refuse Jews also. A public business must abide by the law. We don't give special treatment to any religion
 
we reserve the right to refuse service to any one...based on who they are and not what they do....ya that's decent ( sarcasm )
 
when what they believe in is discrimination against gay people ya its indecent and should not be tolerated

no different then if they were racists for god

No comparison, at all. Race is immutable. Behavior is not.

 
we reserve the right to refuse service to any one...based on who they are and not what they do....ya that's decent ( sarcasm )

How about they decide how to live their lives. Nothing "indecent" about that.

 


How about they decide how to live their lives. Nothing "indecent" about that.


except for the gender based discrimination

or race based discrimination or discmrirnting against people based on religion

we have rules for businesses they have to deal with that

their just going to have to save their bigotry four their personal affairs and church
 


No comparison, at all. Race is immutable. Behavior is not.


strong comparison we don't choose are sexual orientation for me being hetero sexual is rather immutable

after all an interracial couple is a choice
 
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They can live their lives all they want that just can't host marriages at their farm and discriminate based on religion. I suppose you would like to give them the right to refuse Jews also. A public business must abide by the law. We don't give special treatment to any religion

No comparison. Race is immutable. Behavior is not.
 
Rather than make a verbal reply to their requests, just unleash the hounds.
 


No comparison. Race is immutable. Behavior is not.

So excluding Jews WOULD be OK with you too? Unless they convert to Christianity of course. Can't you see why that is wrong?
 


So whose discriminating against sex?

these people at the farm apparently

face it your still racist if you wont serve a couple for being interracial

and you discmrirnting against people based on sex if you wont serve a couple for not having a complete collection of genders

an interracial marriage is not an immutable trait

just like a hetero or homosexual marriage

you cant choose your race or sex

but you can choose the race and sex of your partner

so the comparison stands and the people are no better then religious racists would be refusing an interracial couple

its kind of obvious
 


except for the gender based discrimination

Which nobody is complaining about.

or race based discrimination or discmrirnting against people based on religion

Which nobody is complaining about.

we have rules for businesses they have to deal with that

You mean freedom of contract laws?

their just going to have to save their bigotry four their personal affairs and church

Why are their beliefs bigoted and yours are not?

 




Which nobody is complaining about.



Which nobody is complaining about.



You mean freedom of contract laws?



Why are their beliefs bigoted and yours are not?


actually people do complain about sex and race and religious dicmrnation

and I am bigoted against bigots your not?

minimum wage laws safety and health related laws and yes laws about discrimination we have those for businesses
 
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They can live their lives all they want that just can't host marriages at their farm and discriminate based on religion. I suppose you would like to give them the right to refuse Jews also. A public business must abide by the law. We don't give special treatment to any religion

The business is apparently ran from their home. As such, they should not have to answer to you, me, nor the State as to how they conduct their business and who they do, or do not allow to enter their home.

their just going to have to save their bigotry four their personal affairs and church
And a business run out of a home is pretty personal.

Un-freaking-believable!

The state fines the Giffords for living by their beliefs and thenforces them to teach a belief they do not hold. How in the cornbread-hell this can be Constitutional I have no idea!

What gives the state the right to order what someone's person beliefs are?
I agree completely. This is another junk ruling that violates the wisdom of the historical allowances of the Mrs. Murphy's Boarding House exemption. Basically, exemption is a victory for common sense where the State declines to get involved in home based boarding businesses via aplying the Fair Housing Act.

http://www.huduser.org/periodicals/cityscpe/vol4num3/mathias.pdf
At the end of the day, the last thing the State needs to get involved in is business decisions involving who does, or does not have access to private homes.

strong comparison we don't choose are sexual orientation for me being hetero sexual is rather immutable

after all an interracial couple is a choice

It does not matter whether sexual orientation is, or is not immutable. The business is home based, as such the owner should have the ability to reject anybody for any reason- or for no stated reason.
 
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these people at the farm apparently

“Apparantly” what?

face it your still racist if you wont serve a couple for being interracial

Agreed but racism is not a factor here.

and you discmrirnting against people based on sex if you wont serve a couple for not having a complete collection of genders

You are also being true to your beliefs by not allowing same-sex weddings on your property if you hold biblical beliefs.

an interracial marriage is not an immutable trait

This is a nonsensical statement.

just like a hetero or homosexual marriage

There are differences between heterosexual marriages and homosexual “marriages”.

you cant choose your race or sex

That’s very true. What the point?

but you can choose the race and sex of your partner

That’s very true. What the point?

so the comparison stands and the people are no better then religious racists would be refusing an interracial couple

No. Race is immutable. Where you have your “wedding” is not.

its kind of obvious

Then why don’t you get it?
 

So excluding Jews WOULD be OK with you too? Unless they convert to Christianity of course. Can't you see why that is wrong?

No, excluding Jews would not be okay.

Why?

Do you know like Jews?
 

actually people do complain about sex and race and religious dicmrnation

Yes, I suspect they do.

and I am bigoted against bigots your not?

I’m not bigoted against bigots? I’m not bigoted against anyone. I simply believe--like the Giffords--that marriage exists between men and women. Nothing else constitutes a marriage and you’re a bigot if you disagree.

minimum wage laws safety and health related laws and yes laws about discrimination we have those for businesses

We also have freedom of contract laws.
 
Here we go again!

This time it’s a Christian couple that rent out their farm forweddings.

A lesbian couple wanted to get married on their farm and the Giffords(the Christian couple) said no because they believe that marriage is betweenmen and women (which it is!).

So the lesbian couple sue and a judge fines the Giffords $13,000 andthey have to “teach classes to their employees that impose the state’s view ofmarriage.”

Un-freaking-believable!

The state fines the Giffords for living by their beliefs and thenforces them to teach a belief they do not hold. How in the cornbread-hell this can be Constitutional I have no idea!

What gives the state the right to order what someone's person beliefs are?

And God bless the Giffords who have the courage of their convictions. They have decided not to have any moreweddings on their farm.



easy they just do private ceramonies not open to the public.
but all we want is the right to marry lol. that is right up there with if you like your insurance you can keep it.

next stop churches will be sued and pastors. that is coming.
 
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