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To make Elite schools ‘Fair,’ NY City will punish poor Asians

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We have a new very liberal mayor here in NYC (de Blasio) whose determined to socially engineer the best public High Schools to look more like his Family's dinner table.
Asians, even socio-economically Disadvantaged Asians, are blowing everyone else out of the city's most choice High Schools with better study habbits and Higher IQs. de Blasio wants to throw in more/BS criteria to try and increase other minorities.
Seems liberals are upset with THIS minority.
I mean, after all, this may not just show culture, but the 'R' word has merit.

The same thing happens at Ivy League colleges, where smarter Asians are significantly penalized relative to White and Humongously penalized relative to Blacks.

To make elite schools ‘fair,’ city will punish poor Asians

By Dennis Saffran
July 19, 2014
To make elite schools ‘fair,’ city will punish poor Asians | New York Post

[.......]New York’s specialized high schools, including Stuyvesant and the equally storied Bronx High School of Science, along with Brooklyn Technical High School and five smaller schools, have produced 14 Nobel laureates — more than most countries.

For more than 70 years, admission to these schools has been based upon a competitive examination of math, verbal and logical reasoning skills. In 1971, the state legislature, heading off city efforts to scrap the merit selection test as culturally biased against minorities, reaffirmed that admission to the schools be based on the competitive exam.

But now, troubled by declining black and Hispanic enrollment at the schools
, opponents of the exam have resurfaced. The NAACP Legal Defense Fund has filed a civil-rights complaint challenging the admissions process. A bill in Albany to eliminate the test requirement has garnered the support of Sheldon Silver, the powerful Assembly speaker.

And new Mayor Bill de Blasio, whose son, Dante, attends Brooklyn Tech, has called for changing the admissions criteria. The mayor argues that relying solely on the test creates a “rich-get-richer” dynamic that benefits the wealthy, who can afford expensive test preparation. As Ting’s story illustrates, however, the reality is just the opposite. It’s not affluent whites, but rather the city’s burgeoning population of Asian-American immigrants — a group that, despite its successes, remains disproportionately poor and working-class — whose children have Aced the exam in overwhelming numbers.

And, ironically, the more “holistic” and subjective admissions criteria that de Blasio and the NAACP favor would be much more likely to benefit children of the city’s professional elite than African-American and Latino applicants — while penalizing lower-middle-class Asian-American kids like Ting. The result would not be a specialized high school student body that “looks like New York,” but rather one that looks more like Bill de Blasio’s upscale Park Slope neighborhood in Brooklyn.

There is no dispute that black and Latino enrollment at the specialized schools, while always low, has steadily declined since the 1970s. Blacks constituted 13% of the student body at Stuyvesant in 1979, 5% in 1994 and just 1% the last few years, while Hispanics dropped from a high of 4% to 2% today. Similarly, at Bronx Science, black enrollment has fallen from 12% in 1994 to 3% currently and Hispanic enrollment has leveled off, from about 10% to 6%. The figures are even more striking at the less selective Brooklyn Tech, where blacks made up 37% of the student body in 1994 but only 8% today, while Hispanic numbers plunged from about 15% to 8%.

These declining minority numbers have not been matched by a corresponding increase in whites, however. In fact, white enrollment at Stuyvesant, Bronx Science and Brooklyn Tech has plummeted as well, dropping from 79%, 81% and 77%, respectively, in 1971 to just 22%, 23% and 20% today.
Rather, it is New York City’s fastest-growing racial minority group, Asian-Americans, who have come to dominate these schools.Asians, while always a presence in New York, didn’t begin arriving in the city in large numbers until immigration restrictions were lifted with passage of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, championed by Sen. Edward Kennedy.

Since then, their proportion of the city’s population has increased from less than 1% to about 13%, and their share of the specialized school population has skyrocketed. Asian students constituted 6% of the enrollment at Stuyvesant in 1970 and 50% in 1994; they make up an incredible 73% of the student body this year. The story is similar at Bronx Science, where the Asian population has Exploded from 5% in 1970 to 41% in 1994 to 62% today, and at Brooklyn Tech, where their presence increased from 6% to 33% to 61%.

The ‘rich’ fallacy


Asians in New York are overwhelmingly first- and second-generation; some 3/4 of the students at Stuyvesant are immigrants or the children of immigrants. They’re hardly affluent, notwithstanding de Blasio’s implication that families who get their kids into the specialized schools are “rich.” True, Asians nationally have the highest median income of any racial group, including whites — and in New York City, their median household income ranks second to that of whites and well ahead of blacks and Hispanics. But Asians also have the highest poverty rate of any racial group in New York, with 29% living below the poverty level, compared with 26% of Hispanics, 23% of blacks and 14% of whites.
[.......]
A liberal nightmare


All this once would have been the stuff of liberal dreams: A racial minority group historically victimized by discrimination begins coming to America in greater numbers because of an immigration reform....
To modern “progressive” elites, though, the story is intolerable, starting with the hard work. These liberal elites seem particularly troubled by the Asian-American work ethic and the difficult questions that it raises about the role of culture in group success.
[.......]
 
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Immigration "reform" is aimed at bringing millions of Asians, not Hispanics, into the country.
 
Everyone knows that asians aren't the right kind of minority for affirmative action. Only hispanics and blacks.
 
I must have missed it - I'm sure it's in there - but what are they doing, exactly, that's designed to punish poor asian-americans?
 
I must have missed it - I'm sure it's in there - but what are they doing, exactly, that's designed to punish poor asian-americans?
That's because:
a. You didn't bother read the article.
b. Can't understand what was written. Content challenged.
c. Are just putting up token harassment as you don't agree with the articles drift.

As it stands now, Asians are Blowing the doors off the elite High Schools.
SO.. the Mayor an NAACP want to change the Mix to a more "holistic" one.
Holistic is a code word for quotas/Racial balance.
Got it?

So they want to change admissions policy to something 'softer' than tests.
Something the state previously stopped becaus it did Not want politics in the admissions. (first quoted line in my last. Got it?)

It continues
NYP said:
...In September 2012, the NAACP Legal Defense Fund filed a complaint with the US Department of Education, which dispenses federal educational funding to the city, charging that use of the SHSAT as the sole basis for admission violates Title VI of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which prohibits racial discrimination by federal aid recipients.

The complaint does not allege that the exam intentionally discriminates against black and Hispanic students. Instead, citing statistics regarding declining black and Latino enrollment and SHSAT pass rates, the LDF bases its argument entirely on the theory of “disparate impact” — that is, that discrimination should be inferred merely from racial differences in test scores.
IOW, because Blacks and Hispanics do worse in a completely NON-discriminatory test, they want to call it so anyway.

NYP said:
In the complaint and in a subsequent report released last fall to coincide with de Blasio’s election, the LDF argues for replacement of the SHSAT with a “holistic” admissions process — one that would consider “multiple measures” of academic potential, “both quantitative and qualitative,” including not only grades but also such subjective indicators as interviews, recommendations, “portfolio assessments,” “proven leadership skills” and “commitment to community service.”

Other factors could include applicants’ “backgrounds and experiences” and the “demographic profile” of their schools and neighborhoods. To the extent that a test would be allowed at all, it would merely “supplement” these other criteria. The LDF also called for guaranteed admission for valedictorians and salutatorians, and perhaps other top students, at each public middle school program — a proposal that sounds modest but would actually require a set-aside of at least 1,000 of the 3,800 seats in each class.

Subjective backfire

Such subjective admissions criteria would be likelier to favor the kids of New York’s professional class than children from less affluent backgrounds.


De Blasio suggested, for example, that a student’s extracurricular activities should be one of the selection factors. But as a past president of the Stuyvesant Parents Association noted, “the kids that have the best résumés in seventh and eighth grades have money.”
IOW, if you play Basketball after school, it might get you past thousands of smarter Asians in getting into 'Bronx SCIENCE.'

NYP said:
A Chinese student like Ting Shi who has to help out in his parents’ laundromat is not going on “service” trips to Nicaragua with the children in de Blasio’s affluent Park Slope neighborhood. The LDF’s suggested admissions criteria — student portfolios, leadership skills and community service — are all subject to privileged parents’ ability to buy their children the indicia of impressiveness.

Ironically, eliminating the SHSAT would magnify the role of what progressives call “unconscious bias” — the idea that we have a preference for those who look like us and share our backgrounds. Subjective evaluation measures like interviews and portfolio reviews are much more susceptible to such bias than is an objective examination.

Sure, the decision makers will do their best to admit a few more black and Latino kids (especially those from the same upper-middle-class backgrounds),
but the primary beneficiaries will be affluent white students who didn’t study hard enough to perform really well on the test but seem more “well-rounded” than those who did. As always, the losers in this top-bottom squeeze will be the lower middle and working classes. Among the applicant pool for the specialized high schools, that means Asians.

Comparing the specialized schools with other selective city high schools that don’t use the SHSAT bears this out. These “screened” high schools are, to varying degrees, more selective than regular neighborhood high schools; they choose students using the multiple criteria supported by SHSAT critics.

A comparison of the eight most selective screened schools with the eight specialized schools shows that the screened schools, while more heavily black and Latino, are also considerably whiter and more affluent — and considerably less Asian.

Remember that the specialized schools are 13% black and Hispanic, 24% white and 60% Asian. The top screened schools are 27% black and Hispanic, 46% white and only 26% Asian. And while 50% of the students at the specialized schools qualify for free or reduced-price lunches, only 37% of the students at the top screened schools do.

Subjective selection criteria also inevitably favor the affluent and connected — as a comptroller’s audit of the screened-school admissions process revealed. The study found that most of the schools examined did not follow their stated selection criteria and could not explain the criteria that they actually did use.

There is also a big difference between evaluating 17-year-old college applicants and 13-year-old high-school applicants. The younger candidates have had far less opportunity to distinguish themselves on such vague qualities as “character” and “leadership.” A selection process based on these intangibles can easily fall prey to arbitrariness, prejudice and parental gamesmanship.

Critics of the SHSAT will reply that something must be done about declining black and Hispanic enrollment at the specialized high schools. The answer, however, can never be to lower objective standards.

Adopting this cynical approach would do no favors for black and Latino children, while opening the door to discrimination against Asian kids like Ting. It is not the specialized schools’ emphasis on merit, but rather the advocates’ defeatist worldview that is truly — and tragically — wrongheaded.
I think it's quite explanatory that they want a more SUBjective than OBjective policy, and that Obviously the NAACP is not advocating for benefit of Asians in this closed sum game.
Got it?
I had to do all that just because your post was emptily Contrary and/or obtuse.
 
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That's because:
a. You didn't bother read the article.
b. Can't understand what was written. Content challenged.
c. Are just putting up token harassment as you don't agree with the articles drift.

As it stands now, Asians are Blowing the doors off the elite High Schools.
SO.. the Mayor an NAACP want to change the Mix to a more "holistic" one.
Holistic is a code word for quotas/Racial balance.
Got it?

So they want to change admissions policy to something 'softer' than tests.
Something the state previously stopped becaus it did Not want politics in the admissions. (first quoted line in my last. Got it?)

It continues
IOW, because Blacks and Hispanics do worse in a completely NON-discriminatory test, they want to call it so anyway.

IOW, if you play Basketball after school, it might get you past thousands of smarter Asians in getting into 'Bronx SCIENCE.'

I think it's quite explanatory that they want a more SUBjective than OBjective policy, and that Obviously the NAACP is not advocating for benefit of Asians in this closed sum game.
Got it?
I had to do all that just because your post was emptily Contrary and/or obtuse.

Why the attitude? :roll:
It was actually a genuine question of confusion - likely fueled by inadequate sleep. I saw racist remarks highlighted but wasn't quite seeing how it fit together with the active effort put forward by the college.

And your rambling in response might show you need sleep like me.
 
Why the attitude? :roll:
It was actually a genuine question of confusion - likely fueled by inadequate sleep.
And your rambling in response might show you need sleep like me.
The Hostility, admittedly and expressedly, was for making me elaborate all that material that was quite Plain.
So it was quite a fair reaction.
NOW you Ironically complain about "Rambling" because I had to lay it out in response to YOUR dim post!
Nice.
 
The Hostility, admittedly and expressedly, was for making me elaborate all that material that was quite Plain.
So it was quite a fair reaction.
NOW you Ironically complain about "Rambling" because I had to lay it out in response to YOUR dim post!
Nice.

Gives a Midol.

It might help :shrug:
 
The great Liberal Quandary.
Afirmative Action/Holistic Admissions, is NOT about helping 'minorities', it's about helping One or two Of those minorities.
It's Used Against the Asian Minority.
Ironically, we're being invaded by one of the those poor-performing minorities and have been letting them into the country by the Millions.
THEN.. we have a Self-created problem of Poor students who need even more expensive Remedial classes.
Those people are NOT going to be paying our retirement costs.
They are a Net Drain on the economy, now and later.


What Did Asian Kids Do To Make The New York Times And Bill De Blasio HATE THEM?

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/24/w...s-and-bill-de-blasio-hate-them/#ixzz38FtXgzDM

[.......]
You pass the test, you get the highest score, you get into the school — no matter what your ethnicity, no matter what your economic background is,” Bloomberg suggested in 2012.

Meanwhile, the liberal intellectual mentions, several groups including the NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund have lodged a federal civil rights complaint seeking to force New York’s elite public schools to admit fewer Asians.
[.......]
 
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I have to weigh-in on AS's side here. It's annoying when people post other's work as the primary POV. Links and references to support your own POV are fine, but don't make me read what you were too lazy to write in the first place.

Not to say I disagree with this particular OP point, btw. And the OP did write a few words of his own, to be fair.
 
Respecthelect 1st post said:
Immigration "reform" is aimed at bringing millions of Asians, not Hispanics, into the country.
That is Stupendous Wrong.
Are you trying to sacrifice your credibility and increase your fame/Infamy by making outrageous and Obtuse statements?


I have to weigh-in on AS's side here. It's annoying when people post other's work as the primary POV. Links and references to support your own POV are fine, but don't make me read what you were too lazy to write in the first place.

Not to say I disagree with this particular OP point, btw. And the OP did write a few words of his own, to be fair.
"AS" Didn't have "a side". AS merely Failed to be able to read what was written and Linked.

And my posts have plenty of my own text (and are consistently among the Meatiest on this board), while you have Said NOTHING of substance except make a Ridiculous one-sentence claim and then a second post Cheerleading for another NON 'side', if.. you were forced to admit my posts do have original content.

The Irony, of course, is you unjustly criticizing lack of substance with your own No-substance posts.
 
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Asians are the wrong kind of minority for liberals. They're too independent and won't play their toxic patronage game.
 
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