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Confirmed: "You can keep you insurance" was a lie, not a misstatement[W:51]

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President Obama admitted in a conversation with Eric Cantor in February 2010, during the health care summit with Republicans that was broadcast on CSPAN, that 8 to 9 million American's would not be able to keep their insurance plans:

CANTOR: …Because I don't think you can answer the question in the positive to say that people will be able to maintain their coverage, people will be able to see the doctors they want, in the kind of bill that you are proposing

OBAMA: Since you asked me a question, let me respond. The 8 to 9 million people you refer to that might have to change their coverage -- keep in mind out of the 300 million Americans that we are talking about -- would be folks who the CBO, the Congressional Budget Office, estimates would find the deal in the exchange better -- would be a better deal. So, yes, they would change coverage because they got more choice and competition.


The video is located here for those of you who refuse to believe it, or were planning on trying to muddle the issue.



Now, as you can see in this video below, there are several instances where Obama tells the American people that they could keep their health insurance if they wanted to, both before and after that CSPAN video:




I guess that about wraps things up... Obama didn't misspeak as so many liberals contend... He lied PERIOD.


Hat tip to breitbart.com for finding that CSPAN video and putting this thing to rest.
 
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Sadly, for those that like all manner of income redistribution schemes, ever more gov't control and love Obama, they will brush that off as the cost of progress. This is exactly why the employer mandate was "delayed" until after the 2014 elections and to allow Obama to slip in provisions to allow unions to keep their "Cadillac" plans.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Sadly, for those that like all manner of income redistribution schemes, ever more gov't control and love Obama, they will brush that off as the cost of progress. This is exactly why the employer mandate was "delayed" until after the 2014 elections and to allow Obama to slip in provisions to allow unions to keep their "Cadillac" plans.
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Something tells me that many on the left will still never acknowledge the president lied, just as they are still saying Bush lied when he didn't.
 
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Grim17 said:
Something tells me that many on the left will still never acknowledge the president lied, just as they are still saying Bush lied when he didn't.
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Are you ****ing kidding me, Bush lied is ass off!!!!!!!!

 
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pbrauer said:
Are you ****ing kidding me, Bush lied is ass off!!!!!!!!
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I was talking about "Bush lied about Iraq's wmd"...


Now Pete, would you care to reply to the thread topic, or are you one of those on the left that simply can't admit the truth?
 
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The Man said:
Do you admit that Obama lied?
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Republicants always lie and flip-flop but demorats occasionally misspeak and their positions evolve. ;)
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Republicants always lie and flip-flop but demorats occasionally misspeak and their positions evolve. ;)
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So it's impossible for a Democrat to tell a lie? I guess we're wasting our time debating here.
 
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Grim17 said:
Something tells me that many on the left will still never acknowledge the president lied, just as they are still saying Bush lied when he didn't.
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Obama lied..and so did bush
Irony :peace
 
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The Man said:
So it's impossible for a Democrat to tell a lie? I guess we're wasting our time debating here.
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With the Obamatrons, and others that like spending other people's money, there is no political penalty with income redistribution programs; especially when they are not the ones doing the paying. With the top 10% now paying 71% of all federal income taxes, and with much federal spending simply using borrowed/printed funds, the effects of this nonsense apply to fewer folks, thus the Romney 47% comment. Even if all individual medical care policies are cancelled that is still only going to bother 5% of the population, while the PPACA subsidies go to well over 10% of the population. These policy decisions are carefully thought out - take $150K from one anonymous "rich guy" (it will hardly be missed) and you can give 10 folks $10K each and spend the other $50K on more gov't.
 
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Grim17 said:
I was talking about "Bush lied about Iraq's wmd"...


Now Pete, would you care to reply to the thread topic, or are you one of those on the left that simply can't admit the truth?
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Obama should not have said what he said because he couldn't guarantee health insurers would not change their policies but once they did, those policies were no longer grandfathered in and would have to meet the new standards. It should be noted those policies purchased on or before the law was passed do not need to meet the new requirements. Obama rants were simplistic, but he didn't lie.

OTOH, Bush (you brought his name up :lol:) is guilty overstating the threat posed by Saddam Hussein. The resolution passed in Oct 2002 was never an edict to invade Iraq. Part of it was to allow the inspectors in which he did, but since they didn't find anything Bush got nervous that his plans wouldn't be realized so he chose to stop the inspectors and invaded the country.

President Obama didn't lie, he misspoke. Every thing will be AOK despite what the right wing is trying to do.
 
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pbrauer said:
Obama rants were simplistic, but he didn't lie.
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And there we have it... A now proven lie by Obama, that Pete says isn't a lie... LMMFAO

Is there any better example than this, of someone who's thoughts are totally controlled by partisan politics?



This reminds me... I have instructed my family that should I ever lose control of my faculties in the future, and can no longer make common sense assessments, to pull the plug, remove the feeding tubes, or just shoot me, because I don't want to live a life where I embarrass myself and my family...
 
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pbrauer said:
President Obama didn't lie, he misspoke. Every thing will be AOK despite what the right wing is trying to do.
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Dude, he blatantly lied. "If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan, period!", repeat 30 times over.

How is that not a lie? And how can you say it's not a lie with a straight face?
 
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Grim17 said:
And there we have it... A now proven lie by Obama, that Pete says isn't a lie... LMMFAO

Is there any better example than this, of someone who's thoughts are totally controlled by partisan politics?



This reminds me... I have instructed my family that should I ever lose control of my faculties in the future, and can no longer make common sense assessments, to pull the plug, remove the feeding tubes, or just shoot me, because I don't want to live a life where I embarrass myself and my family...
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Did Bush lie about Saddam not letting the inspectors in? LMMFAO
 
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pbrauer said:
Did Bush lie about Saddam not letting the inspectors in? LMMFAO
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Yes he did. And now Obama lied. Obama was supposed to be the anti-Bush, was he not?
 
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The Man said:
Dude, he blatantly lied. "If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan, period!", repeat 30 times over.

How is that not a lie? And how can you say it's not a lie with a straight face?
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Did you lose your health insurance plan?
 
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pbrauer said:
Did you lose your health insurance plan?
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It doesn't matter if I lost mine or not, but millions of people who were happy with their plans are losing them, and they were promised that they could keep them, period!
 
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The Man said:
It doesn't matter if I lost mine or not, but millions of people who were happy with their plans are losing them, and they were promised that they could keep them, period!
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Are you lying about your lean? Very Liberal???
 
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pbrauer said:
Are you lying about your lean? Very Liberal???
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No I'm not. Why do you ask, because I speak logically and intelligently?
 
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The Man said:
Dude, he blatantly lied. "If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan, period!", repeat 30 times over.

How is that not a lie? And how can you say it's not a lie with a straight face?
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I'll even make it more ridiculous to deny, by breaking it down:

"If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan, period!"

"You" - His use of "you" does not refer to anyone specific, as it was not an answer given to someones individual question. "You" refers to every American citizen who's either in attendance or hears his words. Everyone

"Keep" - To hold or retain in one's possession; hold as one's own; to not relinquish: If you like it, keep it.

"Period" - With absolute certainty and without exception.


So this is what he actually said:

"If any person in America likes their health plan, they can retain and not have to relinquish that health plan, with out exception!"​

Is that statement true or false?
A: Absolutely false

Care to retract Pete?
A: Hell no... It isn't possible.
 
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pbrauer said:
President Obama didn't lie, he misspoke. Every thing will be AOK despite what the right wing is trying to do.
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Lie
A lie is a false statement to a person or group made by another person or group who knows it is not the whole truth, intentionally

Lying by omission
Also known as a continuing misrepresentation, a lie by omission occurs when an important fact is left out in order to foster a misconception. Lying by omission includes failures to correct pre-existing misconceptions. When the seller of a car declares it has been serviced regularly but does not tell that a fault was reported at the last service, the seller lies by omission.

misspoke
To speak or pronounce incorrectly: The lead actor misspoke his lines.
To speak mistakenly, inappropriately, or rashly.

you don't misspeak over 30 times. teleprompters don't misspeak

when you say period at the end of a statement which Obama did on many occasions it means there is no qualifiers the is no conditions there is nothing more to add
 
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pbrauer said:
Did Bush lie about Saddam not letting the inspectors in? LMMFAO
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Start a thread on it... I will be glad to comment...

Now, you were saying about how Obama didn't lie?
 
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pbrauer said:
Are you lying about your lean? Very Liberal???
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is it a requirement for a liberal to be an ideologue sycophant so drunk on the Obama Kool-Aid to ignore all facts and logical thinking?
 
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Grim17 said:
I'll even make it more ridiculous to deny, by breaking it down:

"If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan, period!"

"You" - His use of "you" does not refer to anyone specific, as it was not an answer given to someones individual question. "You" refers to every American citizen who's either in attendance or hears his words. Everyone

"Keep" - To hold or retain in one's possession; hold as one's own; to not relinquish: If you like it, keep it.

"Period" - With absolute certainty and without exception.


So this is what he actually said:

"If any person in America likes their health plan, they can retain and not have to relinquish that health plan, with out exception!"​

Is that statement true or false?
A: Absolutely false

Care to retract Pete?
A: Hell no... It isn't possible.
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Exactly. Had he said "If you like your health plan, you can keep it as long as it meets the minimum requirements of my health care law, period!", he wouldn't be in this mess.
 
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The Man said:
Exactly. Had he said "If you like your health plan, you can keep it as long as it meets the minimum requirements of my health care law, period!", he wouldn't be in this mess.
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I think you mean that if he would have said, what he earlier in the week falsely claimed he said, but of course never did, than he wouldn't have been caught in yet another lie and wouldn't be in this mess.
 
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