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America is punishing corporations who throw anti-Obamacare temper tantrums [W:25]

No your the ignorant one spouting lies.


US senate ACA overview.
"The credit is calculated on a sliding scale beginning at two percent of income for those at 100 percent FPL and phasing out at 9.8 percent of income at 300-400 percent FPL. If an employer offer of coverage exceeds 9.8 percent of a worker‟s family income, or the employer pays less than 60 percent of the premium, the worker may enroll in the Exchange and receive credits"

Funny, I dont see anything about hours here. And i have read the entire bill. :-) Yes it took 2 days.

The employer mandate portion is based on hours worked. Every worker over 29 hours per week subjects the employer to penalties.
 
It seriously amazes me how Orwellian many of the posters in this thread are.

Keep cheering for Big Brother Obama. You're just giving away your rights when you do so. He's interfering with free speech and free enterprise. What other freedoms do you all want to hand over to the Big Tent?
 
The employer mandate portion is based on hours worked. Every worker over 29 hours per week subjects the employer to penalties.

No, Every employer over 50 employees equivalent. So this is TOTAL hours worked by all. If you cut hours, and ad people, then total hours have not changed.

They will be able to go to exchange anyway too. for even cheaper coverage if they get dumped OR they get under 50 people.

How about you post the section of HR 3590 that has this and death panels too! LMAO

and being subject to penaltys IS NOT related to cost or avalability of insurance to the employee. So avoid your fine.
It will make no difference.
 
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It seriously amazes me how Orwellian many of the posters in this thread are.

Keep cheering for Big Brother Obama. You're just giving away your rights when you do so. He's interfering with free speech and free enterprise. What other freedoms do you all want to hand over to the Big Tent?

What about the "freedom " to strike and picket? Looks like your the real fascist in MI.
 
1. health care should be in no way tied to specific employment. it's the most inefficient system imaginable, and I can't believe that anyone would defend it.

2. the papa john tantrum turned me off. they moved a notch down on my pizza list.



There are various models of Health Care Financial support. All of them world wide cost abut half what the the cost of the care in the USA per person is.

There are various examples world wide that use Employer supported health care and these are at the half the cost of the US system also.

It's not the system. It's the US.

In business, every problem is either mostly Systemic or Personnel centered. Isolating what kind of a problem you are dealing with puts you half way to solving the problem.

Because we as a nation have mis diagnosed this problem, we are no closer to solving the problem than we were before we started to drain the treasury at an even faster pace.
 
I don't think the public even saw it as supporting Obama. I think the public saw it as a cheap son of a bitch who complained about having to raise his pizza cost by 11-cents in order to comply with Obamacare while he plans to spend Christmas in his mansion....here: John Schnatter's House (Bing Maps) - Virtual Globetrotting

His comments were a public relations disaster.



That is true. The problem with this guy is that he's honest. Talk to anyone who owns one of his franchises and they revere the guy.

Businesses don't pay taxes, they collect them.
 
Its an idea that runs contrary to job creation. I cant understand why the cons ever accepted it.



Because the Unions and the Democrats forced them to?
 
It seriously amazes me how Orwellian many of the posters in this thread are.

Keep cheering for Big Brother Obama. You're just giving away your rights when you do so. He's interfering with free speech and free enterprise. What other freedoms do you all want to hand over to the Big Tent?
I want to see Obama take away more of those phony-assed "rights" that you hold so dear. I want him to bleed your ilk dry until right wingers implode. Boom! No more cheating Obamacare. Boom! No more screwing over employees. Boom! Boom! Boom!

Welcome to Chuck Norris's thousand years of darkness.
 
When you look at small, micro businesses like mine- less than 100,000 per year in net profits- and you define it as a "large" business because we have more than 50 employees, you are doing the employees of the company a disservice. Consider this:

We are a staffing agency with 4 full time people and 80 temporary workers.

Recently, we requested a quote on the cost of providing health insurance to all of our staff: $15,000 per month.

Our staff are low wage health care workers. Their portion of the premium can not exceed 9.5% of their "household income."

In order to meet this requirement, our comany would have to pay $9,400 monthly in premiums. The workers would be responsible for the rest.

$9400 x 12 months= $112,800. Last year our company made 96,440 in net profits. When you subtract the health premiums from the net profits, you get -$16,360.

Now, if we don't offer benefits, and one of our workers goes to the state exchange for benefits, we have to pay 2000 for each full time worker. 84 workers x 2000 is $168,000 in penalties. That's even worse.

Third choice, we REDUCE OUR WORKERS HOURS AND HIRE MORE PEOPLE. Our model has changed going into 2013. We now spend more money recruiting new people, because I now need a workforce of 160 temp workers. No one is permitted more than 29 hours.

This way, we don't go broke. It was the only choice. So, while I understand that corporations like Papa Johns may have more profits to play with, it is a TOTAL IGNORANT MORON who claims that employers are greedy when they reduce their workers hours rather than be subject to Obamacare.

It is not greed for the small business owner like me. It is self preservation.



I can foresee a country in which there are virtually no employees and all people who are doing work that were formerly known as employees will soon be known as independent contractors.

Suddenly no employers employ anyone and all employees are declaring a portion of their home to be an office thereby reducing their taxes and making out not so bad.

This might be a good thing and will create a country comprised entirely of owners and independent contractors and no employees at all.
 
These companies made a huge point about screwing over their employees. Poppa johns could have just upped the price of their pizzas a buck, made money, paid for their employees healthcare, and no one would have been the wiser. Instead they tried to screw their employees for their own profits and then asked the public to spit on their employees by having a screw you day where everyone comes in and buys pizza making them more money and nopt giving the smallest bit to their employees. That was bad business and being a dick doing it.

many of these companies have to recognize their customers are the middle and lower class. When they screw over their employees they screw over our friends and family. So when a company works against us, our friends, and our families we have a perfectly acceptable choice of going to other places to eat. These are not expensive fancy restaraunts that cater to the rich who might be all for them. This is fast processed food which serves and is made by the middle and poor classes. You don't give your customers and your employees the finger and not face consequences. There are plenty of cheap ass chain pizza places in the world. There are plenty of places like olive garden to eat.

yet again the people speak and the republicans had better listen.



What will be the talking points of the group to which you refer when they find that they are required by law to pay health care premiums as mandated by Obamamcare and upheld by the USSC?
 
You are a fake empty shell that only exists to avoid employment laws and workers comp judgments.

You and your "Temp" people need to be eliminated period. Al l those people need to have full time REAL JOBS with REAL HC and they will.

And your reducing hours BS is a lie. The employee WILL STILL GET HC. So screw you. (see HC is based on INCOME, not hours worked)


The advent of the Temp worker was caused by the regulations of the government that saddled employers with responsibilities to employees who abused the trust implied by the laws in force.

If the laws were not punitive in nature, the employers would not be seeking shelter against them.
 
Wow. Just... wow. That was an uber smackdown. Complete, rigorous and thorough. I can't even add to that.

Do you mind if I refer to your exchange on my blog?


Also myopic, short sighted and biased.
 
No your the ignorant one spouting lies.


US senate ACA overview.
"The credit is calculated on a sliding scale beginning at two percent of income for those at 100 percent FPL and phasing out at 9.8 percent of income at 300-400 percent FPL. If an employer offer of coverage exceeds 9.8 percent of a worker‟s family income, or the employer pays less than 60 percent of the premium, the worker may enroll in the Exchange and receive credits"

Funny, I dont see anything about hours here. And i have read the entire bill. :-) Yes it took 2 days.


The cut and paste you posted has nothing to do with the topic.

The topic is about who will need to be insured under this law.

You may need to have another look at the 2700 page bill and particularly to the 18 pages that define the nature of who is and who is not a full time employee.

Is The 29 Hour Work Week Coming As Employers Seek To Escape The Obamacare Mandate? | CNS News

<snip>
That section, known as the employer mandate, requires any business with 50 or more full-time employees to provide at least the minimum level of government-defined health coverage to those employees. In other words, a business must provide insurance if it has 50 or more employees working an average of just 30 hours per week, which is 10 hours per week fewer than the traditional 40-hour work week.

Thus, by cutting employees’ hours to ensure they average less than the 30 per week, employers could potentially avoid the cost of providing the minimum insurance levels mandated by Obamacare.
<snip>
 
Also myopic, short sighted and biased.
Oh, please. A hundred of your posts wouldn't light a candle to the intellectual prowess shown in that one.
 
I can foresee a country in which there are virtually no employees and all people who are doing work that were formerly known as employees will soon be known as independent contractors.

Suddenly no employers employ anyone and all employees are declaring a portion of their home to be an office thereby reducing their taxes and making out not so bad.

This might be a good thing and will create a country comprised entirely of owners and independent contractors and no employees at all.
That's just the dumbest scenario ever imaginable. Not to mention hilariously impossible.
 
What a shock - a far-lefty who blogs. What a great way to demonstrate to people who don't care how little you actually know.

Why don't you just start tweeting about a bunch of factually incorrect, inane crap.
 
Oh, please. A hundred of your posts wouldn't light a candle to the intellectual prowess shown in that one.



Agreement with bias is just that.
 
That's just the dumbest scenario ever imaginable. Not to mention hilariously impossible.



It's already being implemented in various ways. Truck drivers who own their own rigs. Trade unions employ a variation of this when they send Boilermakers or Pipe Fitters to jobs.

All of the professions already do this. Of course, construction. This may be the wet dream of unionization in this country. Everybody is an independent contractor and everybody "goes to the Hall" to find out if they've made it to the top of the list and will be sent to work today.

All people from bag boys at the local grocery to the labor and workers are unionized. Professional and sales people are contracted individually for either a salary or some form of commission or piece work. At the end of every contract, it is either renewed or allowed to expire. No unemployment insurance and no social security.

Ahhhh... The Union dream come true.
 
What a shock - a far-lefty who blogs. What a great way to demonstrate to people who don't care how little you actually know.

Why don't you just start tweeting about a bunch of factually incorrect, inane crap.
What better way to rattle the cage of mindless, rabid, frothing Conserviturds than a blog?
 
It's already being implemented in various ways. Truck drivers who own their own rigs. Trade unions employ a variation of this when they send Boilermakers or Pipe Fitters to jobs.

All of the professions already do this. Of course, construction. This may be the wet dream of unionization in this country. Everybody is an independent contractor and everybody "goes to the Hall" to find out if they've made it to the top of the list and will be sent to work today.

All people from bag boys at the local grocery to the labor and workers are unionized. Professional and sales people are contracted individually for either a salary or some form of commission or piece work. At the end of every contract, it is either renewed or allowed to expire. No unemployment insurance and no social security.

Ahhhh... The Union dream come true.
In some ways, yes. Across all professions? You're mad.

I would say I hope you get stuck in a hospital where all the nurses are self-employed but there are rules against threats. :lamo
 
In some ways, yes. Across all professions? You're mad.

I would say I hope you get stuck in a hospital where all the nurses are self-employed but there are rules against threats. :lamo



It is not my dream to make it impossible to employ individuals. That dream belongs to you.
 
It is not my dream to make it impossible to employ individuals. That dream belongs to you.
Nobody's making it impossible to employ people. What's going on now is a series of temper tantrums by corporations. Tantrums which their customers will punish them very, very harshly for.

The working class will bitch slap those companies back into line. And leave lasting handprints to boot. Just ask Papa John's if you think that can't happen.
 
When you look at small, micro businesses like mine- less than 100,000 per year in net profits- and you define it as a "large" business because we have more than 50 employees, you are doing the employees of the company a disservice. Consider this:

We are a staffing agency with 4 full time people and 80 temporary workers.

Recently, we requested a quote on the cost of providing health insurance to all of our staff: $15,000 per month.

Our staff are low wage health care workers. Their portion of the premium can not exceed 9.5% of their "household income."

In order to meet this requirement, our comany would have to pay $9,400 monthly in premiums. The workers would be responsible for the rest.

$9400 x 12 months= $112,800. Last year our company made 96,440 in net profits. When you subtract the health premiums from the net profits, you get -$16,360.

Now, if we don't offer benefits, and one of our workers goes to the state exchange for benefits, we have to pay 2000 for each full time worker. 84 workers x 2000 is $168,000 in penalties. That's even worse.

Third choice, we REDUCE OUR WORKERS HOURS AND HIRE MORE PEOPLE. Our model has changed going into 2013. We now spend more money recruiting new people, because I now need a workforce of 160 temp workers. No one is permitted more than 29 hours.

This way, we don't go broke. It was the only choice. So, while I understand that corporations like Papa Johns may have more profits to play with, it is a TOTAL IGNORANT MORON who claims that employers are greedy when they reduce their workers hours rather than be subject to Obamacare.

It is not greed for the small business owner like me. It is self preservation.

Sible payer system would end this and yet we saw all the crying about it from the right!
 
The cut and paste you posted has nothing to do with the topic.

The topic is about who will need to be insured under this law.

You may need to have another look at the 2700 page bill and particularly to the 18 pages that define the nature of who is and who is not a full time employee.

Is The 29 Hour Work Week Coming As Employers Seek To Escape The Obamacare Mandate? | CNS News

<snip>
That section, known as the employer mandate, requires any business with 50 or more full-time employees to provide at least the minimum level of government-defined health coverage to those employees. In other words, a business must provide insurance if it has 50 or more employees working an average of just 30 hours per week, which is 10 hours per week fewer than the traditional 40-hour work week.

Thus, by cutting employees’ hours to ensure they average less than the 30 per week, employers could potentially avoid the cost of providing the minimum insurance levels mandated by Obamacare.
<snip>

Yes they can avoid providing it, but employees will get CHEAPER coverage, just as good ANYWAY. So dodge the FINE ONLY all you want, we dont care. We still get HC via exchanges at a LOWER COST. What part of 4% of pay instead of 9.5% of pay dont you get?

And the mandate is figured by 50 Full time EQIVALENT employees. So the total number of hours is what matters, if they ad people and cut hours, they are STILL over the
50 FTE standard.

And I read the entire bill LMAO!
 
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