• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Why I Left America And You Should Too

RDS

DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 21, 2009
Messages
5,398
Reaction score
1,323
Location
Singapore
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
Your views pls?

I may not believe in predicting the future, but I am not blind to the current global situation. You are welcome to yours, but in my personal opinion, the US and Europe of the late 20th century are gone and gone for good. I am certainly not “giving up” on either side of the North Atlantic. I never bet against the human race when there are that many good, intelligent people involved, but that will take time, possibly quite a few years and a lot of agony.
Trust me on this, it’s always painful to watch your home nation act like a lost puppy, but it’s much worse when you are living there. From outside, in a society where people look forward to their futures with hope instead of fear, the view is still painful, but you aren’t forced to look at it every day.
So I am finishing this with something intended for those who are thinking about relocation. Get serious! If you can’t do it now, then plan for the future. Many folks spend a year or two or more before they are in a position to make the move. Others can do it in a month. It just depends on your situation. What you do not want to do is sit and stare out the window, immobilized because you hope that somehow the “old” days will return or as a result of fear or depression from current events that keeps holding you back. We may not be “captains of our fate”, but we are not galley slaves, chained to oars, unless we choose to be.


Read more: Hit the Road, Jack! « Future Brief
 
If everybody who sees the need for change flees, how will change ever occur? I'll stay and do whatever I can to turn things in the direction that seems most beneficial long term.
 
If everybody who sees the need for change flees, how will change ever occur? I'll stay and do whatever I can to turn things in the direction that seems most beneficial long term.

He still makes a valid point. If a person feels they're in no position to change the policies that lead to their detriment(and in this nonsense called representative democracy, many people aren't), there's nothing stopping them from just leaving.
 
sure... taking off and starting someplace new is always an option.


just be warned, the US government we always be there, wanting money.... no matter where you go, it will want money.
 
He still makes a valid point. If a person feels they're in no position to change the policies that lead to their detriment(and in this nonsense called representative democracy, many people aren't), there's nothing stopping them from just leaving.

What we have in the US is a Democratic Republic. Its different than a representative democracy.
 
just be warned, the US government we always be there, wanting money.... no matter where you go, it will want money.

Unless you officially renounce your citizenship. If you do that then you will only be liable for any previous taxes owed. But before you can renounce your citizenship you must first obtain citizenship somewhere else.
 
I lived overseas for 11 years. I might have stayed but I had a child and when he turned 5 I felt obligated to have him educated in the USA so I went around America and picked Las Vegas because everybody in LV seemed so stupid and unreliable, I felt I could shine like a star.

Now, I tried leaving Las Vegas twice since then. I moved to Laguna Beach CA in 1993 and hated it so I moved up to Eugene OR but after 1.5 years, I missed my LV friends and family so I moved back. I tried again in 2005 and moved to San Francisco because my hooker girlfriend wanted to live there. I moved back to LV in 2007 because a) I grew to hate the bitch and b) I missed my family and friends.

I love Jamaica and I would like to live there but a) you can't bring a cat there and b) I'll end up missing my family and friends. So, I give up and I'm now living in the house I intend to spend the rest of my life in.

To move from America for political reasons doesn't seem to make much sense. As ****ed up as we are, politics are politics wherever you move. If you're still young, it is an adventure but where would you move to and how would you make a living there? Even overseas I was a USG Contractor until I started a business in Korea. That wasn't easy and I was down to my last $1K when I got my first big order and from there, it went pretty good. But I had lived in Korea for 2 years before I went to Vietnam and Thailand so on round 2 I had made some useful friends. One of my friends became President of Lucky Chemical Co, (now known to you as LG) and he referred me that first order or I might have failed. I guess I'm saying that it isn't that easy.

Those of you considering moving, where would you move and why? I'll be very interested in your responses.
 
What we have in the US is a Democratic Republic. Its different than a representative democracy.

Whatever you want to call it. :shrug: Terms like these are massively interchangeable nowadays.
 
Unless you officially renounce your citizenship. If you do that then you will only be liable for any previous taxes owed. But before you can renounce your citizenship you must first obtain citizenship somewhere else.


true.... except if they believe you are renouncing citizenship to escape paying taxes, then they really come after your money.
if you are poor, don't sweat it.. just leave... if you have money, it's best to flat out lie about the reasons you are renouncing ( provided you are leaving for financial reasons)

on a side, but realted , note.. i think it's sickening that the US is the only country that taxes expats...there's something fundamentally wrong with that.
 
you dont have another motherland to go ,we all may fed up with what has been going on in our countries but we shouldnt leave.
 
I lived overseas for 11 years. I might have stayed but I had a child and when he turned 5 I felt obligated to have him educated in the USA so I went around America and picked Las Vegas because everybody in LV seemed so stupid and unreliable, I felt I could shine like a star.

Now, I tried leaving Las Vegas twice since then. I moved to Laguna Beach CA in 1993 and hated it so I moved up to Eugene OR but after 1.5 years, I missed my LV friends and family so I moved back. I tried again in 2005 and moved to San Francisco because my hooker girlfriend wanted to live there. I moved back to LV in 2007 because a) I grew to hate the bitch and b) I missed my family and friends.

I love Jamaica and I would like to live there but a) you can't bring a cat there and b) I'll end up missing my family and friends. So, I give up and I'm now living in the house I intend to spend the rest of my life in.

To move from America for political reasons doesn't seem to make much sense. As ****ed up as we are, politics are politics wherever you move. If you're still young, it is an adventure but where would you move to and how would you make a living there? Even overseas I was a USG Contractor until I started a business in Korea. That wasn't easy and I was down to my last $1K when I got my first big order and from there, it went pretty good. But I had lived in Korea for 2 years before I went to Vietnam and Thailand so on round 2 I had made some useful friends. One of my friends became President of Lucky Chemical Co, (now known to you as LG) and he referred me that first order or I might have failed. I guess I'm saying that it isn't that easy.

Those of you considering moving, where would you move and why? I'll be very interested in your responses.

it's still up in the air over whether i bail out for good, or just keep doing the part time thing.... but I have a real nice place in Colombia and the wife has a business there as well.

good living, excellent cost of living, government is not up your ass all the time, less codified rights but more freedom ( which goes back to the government not being up your ass all the time), very good people, good food...superb weather.
of course, I steer clear of the ****hole major cities, cuz' like everywhere.. cities are dirty and ****ty with ****ty people.
 
you dont have another motherland to go ,we all may fed up with what has been going on in our countries but we shouldnt leave.

why shouldn't we leave?....

i say, if you don't like where you are... go somewhere else.
 
why shouldn't we leave?....

i say, if you don't like where you are... go somewhere else.

if i speak for turkey ,i dont want the brainy revolutionist atatürkist people to leave turkey to the islamists..
 
In your case, that makes perfect sense. I assume your wife is Columbian and already is an entrepreneur so sure, why not? The only anchors for you might be the family and friends thing.

Columbia sounds great. I've been to Costa Rica once, I wasn't impressed but you can't learn much in a week. I liked Thailand a lot despite the humid hot weather. Fun place, fun people.



it's still up in the air over whether i bail out for good, or just keep doing the part time thing.... but I have a real nice place in Colombia and the wife has a business there as well.

good living, excellent cost of living, government is not up your ass all the time, less codified rights but more freedom ( which goes back to the government not being up your ass all the time), very good people, good food...superb weather.
of course, I steer clear of the ****hole major cities, cuz' like everywhere.. cities are dirty and ****ty with ****ty people.
 
sure... taking off and starting someplace new is always an option.


just be warned, the US government we always be there, wanting money.... no matter where you go, it will want money.

It can want money all it wants but it has no power in getting your money...
 
In your case, that makes perfect sense. I assume your wife is Columbian and already is an entrepreneur so sure, why not? The only anchors for you might be the family and friends thing.

Columbia sounds great. I've been to Costa Rica once, I wasn't impressed but you can't learn much in a week. I liked Thailand a lot despite the humid hot weather. Fun place, fun people.

nah.. the wife is a lily white blonde from Minnesota :lol:

Thailand was cool... more than cool actually... but i was a younger man and that was a different life
 
He still makes a valid point. If a person feels they're in no position to change the policies that lead to their detriment(and in this nonsense called representative democracy, many people aren't), there's nothing stopping them from just leaving.

If defeatists want to leave then by all means, leave. I have more pride in what my country is capable of, apparently. No skin off my nose.
 
why would they be considered defeatists?

Waas' words implied that the departing citizen feels they can do nothing to effect change. Sounds pretty defeatist to me.
 
Your views pls?
1. If the problem is the United States and Europe, there aren't many decent places left to go that aren't going in both of their directions.

2. This kind of stuff, while I sympathize with it on a surface level, always reads as alarmist to me and speaks more to those in favor of tradition than progress. Members of every generation have said that the world was going to hell, but really what was happening was that the world was changing and the newer generations tended to like the changes and everything was fine.

3. I think there are problems with the United States, but I'd rather fix them, then leave. If one decides to run away rather than make things better, they aren't going to have much stability and they aren't connected to any place. I don't like that.
 
actually, it does... unless you stuff cold hard cash in your mattress.

I have lived in New Zealand for six years now... have accounts and stocks in the US and unless something criminal has been done they can't touch it. I don't pay taxes so they have no cause to touch my money.
 
Waas' words implied that the departing citizen feels they can do nothing to effect change. Sounds pretty defeatist to me.

ahh ok...
I know lots of folks who have left.... none did so for the reason of being frustrated they couldn't change the rest of the country( which is a rather daunting task)
 
Back
Top Bottom