Thread: Why are conservative's on the wrong side of so many social issue's?

Originally Posted by Thunder

interesting theory you got there.

You misspelled "ignorant"

Originally Posted by Thunder

yes, what did Conservatives have to say about Japanese internment...and slavery?

1. modern "liberals" are in fact no such thing - they took the name in the late 20's and early 30's from an entirely different ideological group; they are, in fact, progressives.

2. Progressives were fine with the internment of the Japanese, within the government, the biggest opposition came from the much-maligned J. Edgar Hoover. Other opposition included religious groups and a socialist named Norman Thomas. However, the country was pretty uniformly behind the left-wing President, and their voices were overriden without much effort. Progressives (such as they existed at the time) were also generally okay with slavery. The groups that led the charge against slavery were largely A) religious and B) classic "liberals" whom we now call "libertarians. The motto "Free Soil Free Men" was connected for a reason - the free market was considered to be a superior alternative to slavery.

3. I like how you skip past Eugenics; and I think I'll toss in the conected destruction of the black family and the chaos and pain that has caused. There have been plenty of good things and plenty of bad things in American history, from both mainstream sides of the political aisle. Those who seek to pretend otherwise are rightly derided as blind partisans who whore out their intellect to the service of a party of thought that does not care for them.

Originally Posted by cpwill

1. modern "liberals" are in fact no such thing - they took the name in the late 20's and early 30's from an entirely different ideological group; they are, in fact, progressives.

2. Progressives were fine with the internment of the Japanese, within the government, the biggest opposition came from the much-maligned J. Edgar Hoover. Other opposition included religious groups and a socialist named Norman Thomas. However, the country was pretty uniformly behind the left-wing President, and their voices were overriden without much effort. Progressives (such as they existed at the time) were also generally okay with slavery. The groups that led the charge against slavery were largely A) religious and B) classic "liberals" whom we now call "libertarians. The motto "Free Soil Free Men" was connected for a reason - the free market was considered to be a superior alternative to slavery.

3. I like how you skip past Eugenics; and I think I'll toss in the conected destruction of the black family and the chaos and pain that has caused. There have been plenty of good things and plenty of bad things in American history, from both mainstream sides of the political aisle. Those who seek to pretend otherwise are rightly derided as blind partisans who whore out their intellect to the service of a party of thought that does not care for them.

Eugenics was supported by the right and still is.

Originally Posted by cpwill

1. modern "liberals" are in fact no such thing - they took the name in the late 20's and early 30's from an entirely different ideological group; they are, in fact, progressives.

2. Progressives were fine with the internment of the Japanese, within the government, the biggest opposition came from the much-maligned J. Edgar Hoover. Other opposition included religious groups and a socialist named Norman Thomas. However, the country was pretty uniformly behind the left-wing President, and their voices were overriden without much effort. Progressives (such as they existed at the time) were also generally okay with slavery. The groups that led the charge against slavery were largely A) religious and B) classic "liberals" whom we now call "libertarians. The motto "Free Soil Free Men" was connected for a reason - the free market was considered to be a superior alternative to slavery.

3. I like how you skip past Eugenics; and I think I'll toss in the conected destruction of the black family and the chaos and pain that has caused. There have been plenty of good things and plenty of bad things in American history, from both mainstream sides of the political aisle. Those who seek to pretend otherwise are rightly derided as blind partisans who whore out their intellect to the service of a party of thought that does not care for them.

Is this from a Anne Coulter book ?

Progressives freed the slaves, ended Segregation, gave women the right to vote, ended discrimination against Jews in housing/education/employment, and are now demanding human rights for gays.

and Conservatives have been like a brick wall, EVERY step of the way.

that's what they do; they seek to preserve the status quo and fight the evolution of society like its Satan.

Originally Posted by sangha

Eugenics was supported by the right and still is.

.....do you have any idea about the history of Eugenics in America?

Originally Posted by cpwill

.....do you have any idea about the history of Eugenics in America?

next you'll tell us Madison Grant was a Liberal/Progressive.

Originally Posted by cpwill

.....do you have any idea about the history of Eugenics in America?

Yes, and so I know that the followers of Ayn Rand mistakenly think eugenics is a leftist idea because Sanger supported eugenics and Sanger must be a leftist because she supported abortion.

I also know that it's the right who is promoting eugenical argument and buying books like The Bell Curve

Originally Posted by Thunder

next you'll tell us Madison Grant was a Liberal/Progressive.

Ummm, he's right you know.
Most of the early progressives in America, ascribed to the bad social Darwinism.

Originally Posted by Thunder

Progressives freed the slaves, ended Segregation, gave women the right to vote, ended discrimination against Jews in housing/education/employment, and are now demanding human rights for gays.

and winston you think I sound like a hack?



Progressivism is barely discernable during the 1860's - the abolitionist movements were led by churches, and became politically powerful when they added the Free Labor types into the mix to make the Republican Party. Progressive Woodrow Wilson RE-Segregated the military during his tenure, and Barry Goldwater was de-segregating public schools years before Kennedy.

Originally Posted by sangha

Eugenics was supported by the right and still is.

No... conservatives were treated in their day for opposing eugenics the same way they are treated today for doubting Global Warming. We were putting the nation at risk from the looming disaster, denying the science, etc. and so forth.